Sigh. I was just browsing the internet and my computer randomly died. It just completely shut off. I know for sure it wasn't being overworked. The monitor was still going and it wasn't the circuit breaker because everything else plugged into the strip was still running fine.
When I try to turn it back on no lights, fans, or sounds/beeps happen. My friend told me to unplug my computer and wait a bit then plug it into another socket. Still nothing. Is it my power supply? Short circuit on the motherboard?
Here are my specs: Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770
Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW240A310 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM
GIGABYTE GV-N65TOC-2GI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Western Digital WD RE4 WD1003FBYX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Enterprise Hard Drive -Bare Drive - OEM
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM
SeaSonic S12II 430B 430W ATX12V V2.3/EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
Thanks for the help. I'm literally pulling out my damn hair because I was just without a computer for 3 weeks and I just built this one. Now it just randomly died though it was working perfectly fine for 2 weeks.
I would first try to hotwire the PSU, to ensure it's still operational. Disconnect all cables from the PSU that connect to the mainboard / rest of the computer. Leave the PSU connected to the power socket. Use a bit of wire or a paperclip to connect the green and one of the black connectors on the main ATX powercable that is supposed to be hooked to the motherboard. This should send the power-on signal to the powersupply and if it still works, its fan should start to spin up. (If it doesn't have a fan, connect any of your case-fans directly to the PSU).
If nothing happens, your PSU is toast. If the fan spins normally, the problem may still be the PSU, but only visible at higher loads. Connect your PC again with minimal hardware (motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU cooler, use integrated graphics for your monitor) and try to boot. When it boots up, add more hardware every time until it fails.
P67 doesn't support integrated graphics. ^ But yeah, it must be either PSU or a MB, probably PSU though. Unless you made a mistake when you built your machine and some wire caused a short circuit, but that's highly unlikely.
I'm 100% sure it's your power supply. 430w isn't enough for a gaming pc.... I would say the minimum you need is a 600 or 650 I would highly recommand you go for a 650 it's always good to have a bit more... I'm just hoping when the power supply blew up it didn't kill anything else... PM me if you need help with something about your PC
On January 17 2013 05:37 MisterJef wrote: I'm 100% sure it's your power supply. 430w isn't enough for a gaming pc.... I would say the minimum you need is a 600 or 650 I would highly recommand you go for a 650 it's always good to have a bit more... I'm just hoping when the power supply blew up it didn't kill anything else... PM me if you need help with something about your PC
Really? I though 600\650w was considered pretty high, and only needed when overclocking. I myself have 500w with everything at stock.
On January 17 2013 05:37 MisterJef wrote: I'm 100% sure it's your power supply. 430w isn't enough for a gaming pc.... I would say the minimum you need is a 600 or 650 I would highly recommand you go for a 650 it's always good to have a bit more... I'm just hoping when the power supply blew up it didn't kill anything else... PM me if you need help with something about your PC
Really? I though 600\650w was considered pretty high, and only needed when overclocking. I myself have 500w with everything at stock.
yeah well it always depends on the graphic cards.... When I used to work in a Computer store I always put a bit more then what the people needed so they would always be safe.... but you're right too most probably that a 500w would do the job but I like to play it safe
On January 17 2013 05:48 MisterJef wrote: Sorry for the double post... But I just looked up the graphic card http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4382#sp and that card alone takes 400.... So yeah I highly recommend getting a minimum of 600w
On January 17 2013 05:48 MisterJef wrote: Sorry for the double post... But I just looked up the graphic card http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4382#sp and that card alone takes 400.... So yeah I highly recommend getting a minimum of 600w
400 W here is most likely for the whole system.
yeah but he has 430 for the whole system... he needs more...
400w is plenty for many modern systems. A GTX 650 Ti uses less than 100w under full load, the same can be said for a core i7 3770. Power supplies from Seasonic and other quality manufacturers don't typically blow up in your face and take the rest of your investment with it because there is built-in protection.
Gigabyte also specifies a requirement of a 400w power supply which obviously is not the same thing as the card using 400w. There is no manufacturer that states card power consumption because consumers are stupid. Nvidia would be the only one that lists power consumption, which is 110w under maximum load which doesn't happen often...
Graphics card power consumption is going down.... not up. Just use a bit of brain power for this... because I don't feel like elaborating what is common sense that applies to basically everything in life.
I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
Well, not like every PSU is the same though. While 80+ bronze Seasonic should be enough for that system without OC, some cheap brand 400w won't be enough for sure. But I also think it's not very nice idea to build your system and put PSU which is just enough for what you have now. What if you'll decide to OC CPU, what if you'll want to upgrade your GPU (and OC it too ), maybe you'll want to put SLI/CF? Then you most likely will need to buy another PSU as well, which sucks, especially if count 60+ month waranty that most good brands have. I build PCs myself for many years and usually for a gaming PC I choose 550-650w PSUs ( sometimes a bit more if people tell me they may use sli later ), price difference is not too high anyway, especially considering prices for top GPUs/CPUs, quality chassis' etc.
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
If you've never put less than a 500W PSU in a pc how can you conclude that a high quality 430W unit isn't enough power? It sounds like a common misconception that you've just never been corrected on.
To be honest, even if your PSU is enough, but it's on borderline, it isn't good for your computer. It is always safer to have more than what you need then just enough.
My suggestion is, since I'm also very picky when it comes to my computer is to find a higher PSU and plug it in and see. If that is truly your issue then you would know right away. If it isn't then it is something else in your computer that had died on you.
Personally when it comes to computer parts in general, if there is a ASUS version, I would aim for it. ASUS, Intel products are always safer. Half of my computer (half a year old now) are ASUS products. The only 2 things that stand out for me on your spec is your PSU and Motherboard. Although your Mobo could just me being picky about the brand so.
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
If you've never put less than a 500W PSU in a pc how can you conclude that a high quality 430W unit isn't enough power? It sounds like a common misconception that you've just never been corrected on.
No I said a 400w is ok for an office pc that doesn't have a big graphic card. A pc that people use to do word and excel... For gaming you need more.
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
You don't understand because the 430w isn't the number that is important. That is the combined wattage for every rail in the PSU and what really matters for our purposes are the 12V rail(s).
This "430w" PSU could power a system much better than some "600w" PSUs purely due to the "600w" PSU being having a single 12V rail or low amperage on that rail.
On January 17 2013 09:18 Seraphic wrote: My suggestion is, since I'm also very picky when it comes to my computer is to find a higher PSU and plug it in and see. If that is truly your issue then you would know right away. If it isn't then it is something else in your computer that had died on you.
How do you think that turning on a computer is going to draw over 400w? As stated earlier, at full load it's going to be well under 300w, and at turning on the computer alone, it's going to draw like 100w. Drawing a smiley face on the power socket would be of equal usefulness, that is to say, none at all.
And that's even before you enter the realm of power efficiency, which also plays a large role in the above picture.
Common misconception. Ideally an 80% power efficient 400w powersupply can supply 400w (as advertised), but it will draw 500w from the wall. In other words, powersupplies that correct state their ability to supply power should (ideally) deliver the same amount regardless of efficiency rating. In reality higher efficiency (more expensive) power supplies are generally rated under their maximum supplied amount, which skews things.
On January 17 2013 09:34 MisterJef wrote: No I said a 400w is ok for an office pc that doesn't have a big graphic card. A pc that people use to do word and excel... For gaming you need more.
MisterJef, here is a benchmark from anandtech showing total system power drawn (from the wall? Not sure on this one). Just so you know, it's not just the graphics card. As you can clearly see, even a 680 is barely above 350w load, and this isn't with an ivy bridge cpu, I can't remember what they're using, it may be an i7-9xx, which is way less power efficient.
If you wish to refute this point, please provide some evidence measuring a power draw of over 400w for a 650ti on a modern intel system. Saying things like "I've been making computers for 5 years, I must know what I'm talking about!" means nothing, I know a lot of people that have been driving for more than 5 years, yet they're still horrific at it.
And that's even before you enter the realm of power efficiency, which also plays a large role in the above picture.
Common misconception. Ideally an 80% power efficient 400w powersupply can supply 400w (as advertised), but it will draw 500w from the wall. In other words, powersupplies that correct state their ability to supply power should (ideally) deliver the same amount regardless of efficiency rating. In reality higher efficiency (more expensive) power supplies are generally rated under their maximum supplied amount, which skews things.
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
If you've never put less than a 500W PSU in a pc how can you conclude that a high quality 430W unit isn't enough power? It sounds like a common misconception that you've just never been corrected on.
No I said a 400w is ok for an office pc that doesn't have a big graphic card. A pc that people use to do word and excel... For gaming you need more.
Ya I get that. I'm asking why you think 430W is too little power for a gaming pc. You cite 5 years of pc building experience but you also say you never put less than 500W in a pc. How does that bolster your position? If you had said you've tried using ~400W units and the pc didn't work or would shut off then you have some evidence. (Of course my next question would be what brand and model 400W PSU did u use)
On January 17 2013 05:37 MisterJef wrote: I'm 100% sure it's your power supply. 430w isn't enough for a gaming pc.... I would say the minimum you need is a 600 or 650 I would highly recommand you go for a 650 it's always good to have a bit more... I'm just hoping when the power supply blew up it didn't kill anything else... PM me if you need help with something about your PC
This is incorrect. A 430 watt power supply is sufficient enough to run his rig and is overkill :p You should watch this:
Computers never start using over 600w+ unless you are using sli or crossfire setups
On January 17 2013 05:37 MisterJef wrote: I'm 100% sure it's your power supply. 430w isn't enough for a gaming pc.... I would say the minimum you need is a 600 or 650 I would highly recommand you go for a 650 it's always good to have a bit more... I'm just hoping when the power supply blew up it didn't kill anything else... PM me if you need help with something about your PC
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
If you've never put less than a 500W PSU in a pc how can you conclude that a high quality 430W unit isn't enough power? It sounds like a common misconception that you've just never been corrected on.
No I said a 400w is ok for an office pc that doesn't have a big graphic card. A pc that people use to do word and excel... For gaming you need more.
._. I have a 305w psu powering a i5 2320 and a 5850 (oc'd to 5870) and I have no problems.
Regardless of whether or not that power supply can adequately power the system (I have no comment either way), if the system died in the middle of doing nothing taxing, and will not power on (no POST beep, no fans spinning, no lights, notthing) it sounds like the main power circuit has a break in it. Pressing the power button should elicit some kind of response, otherwise. Even something as simple as the fans twitching as power is applied.
While there are different reasons this can happen, the first step I would recommend (assuming you weren't kicking the case and accidentally knocked components loose) is to test the power supply. (Someone else already gave one method, although I'm leary myself of hotwiring anything with a paperclip - but I guess if you don't have a meter or tester it could work.) The second thing I'd check is the big capacitors on the motherboard for signs that they've decided to fail - forming a bubble at the top, discoloration, even cracking open.
Even the best manufacturers sometimes have equipment that will just fail. And if your strip isn't a surge protector, depending on your electrical supply, random variations in line power can hasten a failure. (Fun fact - never tell tech support that there was an electrical storm (thunderstorm) around the time of a failure. Because that's a quick way to "act of god" and "covered by homeowner's/renter's insurance". Source? I have worked in a Tech Support call center. It's written into the script a lot of the time.) Also, I live in Florida, and have been a customer of FPL, aka Florida Flicker'n Flash. While you don't need to go crazy with power smoothing/filtering crap for the most part, normal line voltage can be subject to surges, drops, and occassional other oddities that stresses electronics. Computers and computer components can be sensitive to that, and a strong surge can negatively impact things. Sometimes that includes power supplies - blowing out fuses or internal breakers to save the more delicate stuff it powers. Actually, thinking of that, something else you might try is resetting the little switch (usually but not always red) on the back of the power supply that sets incoming line voltage. (Usually has two positions, marked as "110" or "115" and "220" - if you're in the US, should be 110/115. While unplugged, move it from 110 to 220 and then back to 110. (Or the other way, if you're in an area with the higher line voltage.) It's worked for me in the past, but I couldn't tell you why.
On January 17 2013 06:18 MisterJef wrote: I don't understand ? I've been working in computer for about 5 years now I know what i'm tallking about. I've built alot of gaming pc's and never EVER would I put a power supply under 500w.... skyR you're right 400w is plenty for an office pc that only does office and basic stuff...
If you've never put less than a 500W PSU in a pc how can you conclude that a high quality 430W unit isn't enough power? It sounds like a common misconception that you've just never been corrected on.
No I said a 400w is ok for an office pc that doesn't have a big graphic card. A pc that people use to do word and excel... For gaming you need more.
Please link something indicating that.
Like this, you know. Where the only thing that even goes over 400W is a 7970 Ghz edition. A GTX 680 pulls 362 watts. And iirc, it is from the wall which is another 15% or something? AND that ignores that quality power supplies can often deliver more than their rated wattage. Plus anybody buying a 680 or 7970 will be getting a Rosewill Capstone 450/550W or something of similar quality, which is way more than enough.
Or here, where the only thing that peaks 400W is a 6990 and 590, both of which are technically SLI/crossfire cards.
Or here, where again, the only thing peaking 400W is a 7970 on Furmark.
And you still haven't taken into account power at the wall or PSU efficiency. And certainly you don't want a cheap 400W model to power a 7970 Ghz edition, but the point is 400W being enough for "office use" is ludicrous. A GTX 650 takes up 250 watts (not even) on anandtech's site. A GTX 660 doesn't even break 300. That's pretty solidly midrange hardware.
Edit: Saw above, good point. They use an i7-3920X or some LGA2011 CPU in those power tests on Anandtech, which is going to skyrocket the power consumption anyways. Also note that a 400W 80% efficient PSU will draw 500W from the wall, which is where we're measuring at most 400W on these systems.
Just a thought OP, did you power cycle your pc? Unplug the power cable, hold in the power button to clear any charge built in the capacitors, then plug everything back in and try booting normally.
On January 17 2013 11:47 felisconcolori wrote: While there are different reasons this can happen, the first step I would recommend (assuming you weren't kicking the case and accidentally knocked components loose) is to test the power supply. (Someone else already gave one method, although I'm leary myself of hotwiring anything with a paperclip - but I guess if you don't have a meter or tester it could work.) The second thing I'd check is the big capacitors on the motherboard for signs that they've decided to fail - forming a bubble at the top, discoloration, even cracking open.
I know for sure I didn't kick anything loose and double checked that the connections were all good. Just checked the capacitors and everything seems fine.
On January 17 2013 17:24 Az0r_au wrote: Just a thought OP, did you power cycle your pc? Unplug the power cable, hold in the power button to clear any charge built in the capacitors, then plug everything back in and try booting normally.
Just tried this and nothing happened.
Hmmm. So I'm still not sure if it's just the power supply but I don't have any extras lying around since I just moved into a new apartment. Crossing my fingers it is and bought a 600W PSU. Hopefully this works T_T
Also, anyone know why it would just randomly die after 2 weeks of working perfectly? It just crapped out because it was insufficient?
If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but does not that solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else.
It started with someone saying it was his PSU because it wasn't enough to run his pc. You can't expect people to leave such claim alone when it's blatantly not true in this case and is directly related to his problem if it would be the case... It's not about personal preference or nitpicking.
It also seems like people that don't understand psu's only stare themselves blind on the wattage number. His psu is better than a lot of crappy psu's that have higher wattage. That people constantly suggest "you should have a 600 W psu" when that's not what they should be focusing on is rather frustrating at times. And if he'd buy an 600 W psu and it would work they'd pat themselves on the back for being right for the wrong reasons.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but does not that solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else.
It started with someone saying it was his PSU because it wasn't enough to run his pc. You can't expect people to leave such claim alone when it's blatantly not true in this case and is directly related to his problem if it would be the case... It's not about personal preference or nitpicking.
It also seems like people that don't understand psu's only stare themselves blind on the wattage number. His psu is better than a lot of crappy psu's that have higher wattage. That people constantly suggest "you should have a 600 W psu" when that's not what they should be focusing on is rather frustrating at times. And if he'd buy an 600 W psu and it would work they'd pat themselves on the back for being right for the wrong reasons.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but does not that solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else.
It started with someone saying it was his PSU because it wasn't enough to run his pc. You can't expect people to leave such claim alone when it's blatantly not true in this case and is directly related to his problem if it would be the case... It's not about personal preference or nitpicking.
It also seems like people that don't understand psu's only stare themselves blind on the wattage number. His psu is better than a lot of crappy psu's that have higher wattage. That people constantly suggest "you should have a 600 W psu" when that's not what they should be focusing on is rather frustrating at times. And if he'd buy an 600 W psu and it would work they'd pat themselves on the back for being right for the wrong reasons.
So help me out, what should I do then? Lol >_<
A did a little research about your power supply and I read some reviews where some people(very few) had it where the PSU died right after they purchased it(1-2 weeks of it running fine), this was through an online retailer(i forget the name) Do you have a warranty on the power supply or are you just going to buy another? I'd recommend you first go into a computer shop so they can identify the problem.
Trying to fix the problem yourself will most likely not help you and only waste time as you don't 100% know the issue.
Not all 600w psu's are bad, just unnecessary. If you're going to buy a new PSU, tell us what it was so that we can recommend a good one in case you bought a bad psu.
for what its worth though, rosewill capstone series is pretty much the best sub 75$ series you can grab, in case you end up needing to return.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power.
This isn't an argument. You and MisterJef are simply wrong about the power supply not being adequate or borderline.
It was actually you two who started to derail the thread with wrong information. Everyone else just feels the need to correct it because it is so blatantly wrong. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you aren't helping either. You just pushed your purchasing habits and irrelevant brand preferences onto the individual, which unfortunately ended up being successful and making them waste money, hopefully on a CX600 because that's the only 600w unit that isn't overpriced, old, or garbage.
Suggesting someone to purchase a higher capacity power supply because their power supply randomly died is bad advice regardless of how you look at it. There are many power supplies rated at higher capacities that perform worse and/or deliver less power than lower rated units. In this case, the power supply not being adequate for the configuration isn't the problem. There's also a very good chance that the individual who listens to you is going to make poor purchases throughout their life.
People have already mentioned that it might be a dead power supply. Rannasha explained how to test the power supply but it fell on deaf ears. There is nothing more to say until the OP actually tests the power supply or simply RMA it.
The manufacturing and quality control of consumer electronics is not perfect so electronics can and will unexpectedly die. This was also briefly mentioned by felisconcolori but apparently it fell on deaf ears again. It's just a fact of life and there's nothing you can do about it.
On January 18 2013 01:44 50bani wrote: Well, are you sure it is your PSU, theognis? At least try the famous "paperclip test"
Yeah, one of my friends told me to do this last night. The fan didn't work so either I set the paperclip up wrong or the PSU is dead.
On January 18 2013 00:04 Alryk wrote: Not all 600w psu's are bad, just unnecessary. If you're going to buy a new PSU, tell us what it was so that we can recommend a good one in case you bought a bad psu.
for what its worth though, rosewill capstone series is pretty much the best sub 75$ series you can grab, in case you end up needing to return.
Ah, shit. I already ordered haha. Sorry, I just kind of need to get my computer up and running ASAP since it's kind of my livelihood atm ><. I got a Coolermaster. *Shrug* The reviews on Newegg were decent and I recognized the brand. If it craps out I will definitely look into a rosewill capstone. Thanks
Alright. For future reference, it's often better to diagnose the problem before you buy new things ^.^ it can end up saving you money in the end, even if you have to spend a few hours diagnosing. The problem was likely your PSU, but on the off chance that it wasn't, you'll end up with a PSU you didn't need to buy, and a still broken computer (and a few wasted days). Obviously your time is pretty sensitive though.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but does not that solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else.
It started with someone saying it was his PSU because it wasn't enough to run his pc. You can't expect people to leave such claim alone when it's blatantly not true in this case and is directly related to his problem if it would be the case... It's not about personal preference or nitpicking.
It also seems like people that don't understand psu's only stare themselves blind on the wattage number. His psu is better than a lot of crappy psu's that have higher wattage. That people constantly suggest "you should have a 600 W psu" when that's not what they should be focusing on is rather frustrating at times. And if he'd buy an 600 W psu and it would work they'd pat themselves on the back for being right for the wrong reasons.
So help me out, what should I do then? Lol >_<
Don't worry about it. You're doing it. And you may or may not need a 600W power supply, but who knows. Maybe someday you'll want to get the cigarette lighter front plate coffee maker case mods. I dunno.
For people wondering why I (or others) are starting with the power supply as the potential source of the problem... You can, at a bare minimum, power up with a power supply, a motherboard, and a processor. You can power up without RAM. You can power up without a graphics card. You can power up without a hard drive. Sure, the system won't boot (and you may learn about POST beep codes) but it will turn on, fans will spin, lights will blink, etc. Given the complete lack of any of that, the first guess is the power supply. (Also the cheapest component.) Since it's not Belial88, I'm going to assume the CPU works and isn't a frankenstein of straightened or jerry-rigged pins jammed into a socket, and it's unlikely to just up and fail. Mother boards can fail, but in order to test that you'd need another power supply anyways.
On January 18 2013 00:04 Alryk wrote: Not all 600w psu's are bad, just unnecessary. If you're going to buy a new PSU, tell us what it was so that we can recommend a good one in case you bought a bad psu.
for what its worth though, rosewill capstone series is pretty much the best sub 75$ series you can grab, in case you end up needing to return.
Ah, shit. I already ordered haha. Sorry, I just kind of need to get my computer up and running ASAP since it's kind of my livelihood atm ><. I got a Coolermaster. *Shrug* The reviews on Newegg were decent and I recognized the brand. If it craps out I will definitely look into a rosewill capstone. Thanks
You probably should have taken it into the computer shop, to let them diagnose the problem, however from I can see the problem is probably the PSU and not the motherboard. I hope everything works out, let us know how it goes and if you need further help i'm sure you'll find it here :D
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power.
This isn't an argument. You and MisterJef are simply wrong about the power supply not being adequate or borderline.
It was actually you two who started to derail the thread with wrong information. Everyone else just feels the need to correct it because it is so blatantly wrong. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you aren't helping either. You just pushed your purchasing habits and irrelevant brand preferences onto the individual, which unfortunately ended up being successful and making them waste money, hopefully on a CX600 because that's the only 600w unit that isn't overpriced, old, or garbage.
Suggesting someone to purchase a higher capacity power supply because their power supply randomly died is bad advice regardless of how you look at it. There are many power supplies rated at higher capacities that perform worse and/or deliver less power than lower rated units. In this case, the power supply not being adequate for the configuration isn't the problem. There's also a very good chance that the individual who listens to you is going to make poor purchases throughout their life.
People have already mentioned that it might be a dead power supply. Rannasha explained how to test the power supply but it fell on deaf ears. There is nothing more to say until the OP actually tests the power supply or simply RMA it.
The manufacturing and quality control of consumer electronics is not perfect so electronics can and will unexpectedly die. This was also briefly mentioned by felisconcolori but apparently it fell on deaf ears again. It's just a fact of life and there's nothing you can do about it.
Do you want me to quote my first post and point out where I actually said his PSU wasn't enough?
I said for me it's safer to have more then just enough, it's a personal opinion. Don't put words in my mouth because you believe other wise. I hardly derailed when someone else started throwing out links to prove a point. So spare me the freaken attitude. Bad advice? Don't even start, as if you believe I buy without thinking. Yet another assumption done through the net because you have an ego you want to fill. They are tons of good PSU that run just as they are rated than ones that don't. If you don't like to look around, and research that is your problem and not mine. It is always, ALWAYS better to be on the safe side, especially if you do not know the details. If you talk to people who hardly know computers and make a bad purchase based on the advice you give, it's on you. Instead of telling them to be a bit safer and go higher even if they do not need it. Not to mention having just enough gives you 0 room to upgrade eventually, which also forces you to go higher regardless.
I ain't gonna bother to continue talking to you because I don't have the energy or time to continue a pointless argument because you want to go into details that won't matter to the average person who aren't super anal about power consumption.
On Topic: OGN, if the PSU isn't the issue, I'd point to the Mobo. But hope that it is the PSU because that'll save you some money. 600w is way over kill though, 500w is enough on what you're running. Having roughly 430w, and go straight to 600w is way too much. 500w would have been about right, but it's done so hope that would solve your issue.
You know, I don't actually want to get into an argument, but after linking an article showing OP's configuration pulling about 250W with an LGA2011 Sandy bridge and not a locked ivy bridge... I don't see how 430W isn't more than enough, because it is.
Also, I always find it amusing when people criticize skyr for "not wanting to look around and research"
Well a 430w psu should be fine for this system when running everything at stock speeds. I got a i5-750 @ 4Ghz and GTX560Ti. When running prime95 and Furmark burn test at the same time, my power meter says the system is drawing around 440w from the socket. This was with my old 550w psu that didnt have 80%+ efficiency stamp on it. So my system used maybe 350w?
But anyway, if the paperclip test didnt make the case fan spin. The psu is dead.
On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote: If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power.
This isn't an argument. You and MisterJef are simply wrong about the power supply not being adequate or borderline.
It was actually you two who started to derail the thread with wrong information. Everyone else just feels the need to correct it because it is so blatantly wrong. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you aren't helping either. You just pushed your purchasing habits and irrelevant brand preferences onto the individual, which unfortunately ended up being successful and making them waste money, hopefully on a CX600 because that's the only 600w unit that isn't overpriced, old, or garbage.
Suggesting someone to purchase a higher capacity power supply because their power supply randomly died is bad advice regardless of how you look at it. There are many power supplies rated at higher capacities that perform worse and/or deliver less power than lower rated units. In this case, the power supply not being adequate for the configuration isn't the problem. There's also a very good chance that the individual who listens to you is going to make poor purchases throughout their life.
People have already mentioned that it might be a dead power supply. Rannasha explained how to test the power supply but it fell on deaf ears. There is nothing more to say until the OP actually tests the power supply or simply RMA it.
The manufacturing and quality control of consumer electronics is not perfect so electronics can and will unexpectedly die. This was also briefly mentioned by felisconcolori but apparently it fell on deaf ears again. It's just a fact of life and there's nothing you can do about it.
Do you want me to quote my first post and point out where I actually said his PSU wasn't enough?
I said for me it's safer to have more then just enough, it's a personal opinion. Don't put words in my mouth because you believe other wise. I hardly derailed when someone else started throwing out links to prove a point. So spare me the freaken attitude. Bad advice? Don't even start, as if you believe I buy without thinking. Yet another assumption done through the net because you have an ego you want to fill. They are tons of good PSU that run just as they are rated than ones that don't. If you don't like to look around, and research that is your problem and not mine. It is always, ALWAYS better to be on the safe side, especially if you do not know the details. If you talk to people who hardly know computers and make a bad purchase based on the advice you give, it's on you. Instead of telling them to be a bit safer and go higher even if they do not need it. Not to mention having just enough gives you 0 room to upgrade eventually, which also forces you to go higher regardless.
I ain't gonna bother to continue talking to you because I don't have the energy or time to continue a pointless argument because you want to go into details that won't matter to the average person who aren't super anal about power consumption.
On Topic: OGN, if the PSU isn't the issue, I'd point to the Mobo. But hope that it is the PSU because that'll save you some money. 600w is way over kill though, 500w is enough on what you're running. Having roughly 430w, and go straight to 600w is way too much. 500w would have been about right, but it's done so hope that would solve your issue.
On January 17 2013 09:18 Seraphic wrote: To be honest, even if your PSU is enough, but it's on borderline, it isn't good for your computer. It is always safer to have more than what you need then just enough.
My suggestion is, since I'm also very picky when it comes to my computer is to find a higher PSU and plug it in and see. If that is truly your issue then you would know right away. If it isn't then it is something else in your computer that had died on you.
Personally when it comes to computer parts in general, if there is a ASUS version, I would aim for it. ASUS, Intel products are always safer. Half of my computer (half a year old now) are ASUS products. The only 2 things that stand out for me on your spec is your PSU and Motherboard. Although your Mobo could just me being picky about the brand so.
You said "but it's on borderline" that's false his system at most uses 250watts(this is running a full load on both gpu and cpu, this almost never happens when you are actually using your computer so most of the time it's idle or just running a game), "it's always safer to have more" this is not false but it causes power efficiency issues(shown in the video i linked)when you only use the bottom % of a power supply, efficiency of a power supply is always at it's best when you are at 50-80% load. Anyway that is enough of this argument, I just felt the need to correct bad advice/incorrect knowledge.
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