EPTAnyone else tried Avermedia Live Gamer HD C985?
| Forum Index > Tech Support |
|
emart835
United States24 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
What he says might be true, but just stating what's available as knowledge. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
That card is necessary if you want to do Whether or not you can actually make use of this depends on your setup. Two i7 sandy bridge or better processors might be required to get a 60 FPS stream that stays that way through thick and through thin. And no you wont be able to play SC2 above 60 FPS in 200/200 clashes because no processor can hold up to that speed yet. For the other 95 percent of the game though is fine. 60 FPS streams are becoming really important. Soon people wont want to look at low FPS streams. | ||
|
emart835
United States24 Posts
| ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
| ||
|
ZeroTalent
United States297 Posts
The Blackmagic products do okay, but the Intensity Shuttle only runs on a handful of motherboards over USB 3.0, and at 1080p it's coming very close to the theoretical limit of USB 3.0. Over Thunderbolt it will probably work better but Thunderbolt is even rarer. All of this stuff is really bleeding edge and usually used by a very small number of users. There's something to be said for just going with whatever is tested most thoroughly (which is definitely the Avermedia+XSplit combination). 60 FPS streams are becoming really important. Soon people wont want to look at low FPS streams. Please god I hope not ...  | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
Im sure streaming technology will improve to where 60 FPS is very manageable and not too expensive. By the time we have skymont the i3's should be able to do it. | ||
|
Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
I vividly remember when IPL 3 had their stream @ 60 FPS (and it was a high quality stream too). It was gorgeous. I look forward to the days when most other tournaments will do the same. I'm tired of watching crappy/mediocre 480 to 720p @25-30 FPS streams from tournaments. Which reminds me, I need to buy the NASL ticket... put my money where my mouth is. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
When the only reason people dont like something is because its different, it doesn't last (the old way). I dont even know why the reaction is negative. 60 FPS is so much easier on the eyes. The effect is immediate and gratifying. When you go from watching 30 FPS for a long time, to a 60 FPS stream, you get this mind melting effect, which is what i guess people dont like because OMG DIFFERENT KILL IT IM AGAINST DIFFERENT. | ||
|
OCDizordr
United States13 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:30 Medrea wrote: And no you wont be able to play SC2 above 60 FPS in 200/200 clashes because no processor can hold up to that speed yet. For the other 95 percent of the game though is fine. Actually, if you are using the capture card, my i7-3770k has run a full 4v4 200/200 battle on the highest settings at around 30 fps. For 1v1s, with a capture card, 60fps is maintainable. The capture card takes so much of the load off of the PC that has the game, I'm sure there will be no hiccups, assuming you run a decent setup with the capture card. EDIT: This is all just anecdotal, though, but I am pretty sure a 720p60fps stream could maintain itself fairly easily. EDIT2: Also another note, whenever I try to stream at 60fps, it seems that twitch locks it at 24-30fps. I don't know if I need to be partnered to get above this, but it's NOT a hardware issue. Anyone have any extra knowledge on this? | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
| ||
|
MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On September 08 2012 05:49 Medrea wrote: Passing phase. 30 FPS offers no advantages over 60 FPS from an image quality standpoint. When the only reason people dont like something is because its different, it doesn't last (the old way). I dont even know why the reaction is negative. 60 FPS is so much easier on the eyes. The effect is immediate and gratifying. When you go from watching 30 FPS for a long time, to a 60 FPS stream, you get this mind melting effect, which is what i guess people dont like because OMG DIFFERENT KILL IT IM AGAINST DIFFERENT. There are people like me who don't even notice the difference between 30 & 60 fps most of the time. And shoot, I'm including IN GAME, not just watching a stream. Of course, even I have my limits. I watched a less GSL when they changed their free stream from 360 to 240. Not that I was watching a ton, or I'd have just purchased a ticket. But I bet their viewership dropped, because I think they switched back to 360. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
Old youtube video back from when youtube still accepted 60 FPS @ 240p. 360p is 30 FPS. 240p is 60 FPS. I feel very confident you can tell the difference. Even if you couldnt in a vacuum, your eyes can see it. In fact i bet most people would prefer the 240p over the 360. | ||
|
MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I hope you get to watch all the 60fps streams you want. I just won't care who offers them. Kind of like how I'd never consider getting a 120hz 1920x1080 TN monitor vs a 1920x1080 IPS monitor - but I understand people who do. As to what I'd prefer... by FAR the 360 over the 240. But of course, in the real world, people will compare 60fps 360 vs 30fps 360. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
As for the video. If I were to show friends i would show the 30 FPS but if I had to play the game it would be 240p all the way. Also monitors. 120hz is to me all about being able to do away with vsync. Which has the effect of stabilizing the image. The actual image differences between 60hz and 120hz are not as important until you get to really really fast motion sequences. | ||
|
twoscomp
United States42 Posts
Hopefully something will come along that can do both. | ||
|
BUGS-BUNNY
Ukraine1 Post
~80+% core2 usage when cpu enc and AMLGhd capture. or load 80% CPU when AMLGhd enc and CPU capture ha-ha...gogog play do not buy, if u no need win ~10-20% CPU time(but if need win, u take limited Hz on monitor, bad collor effect, and more more more more more lag...) rly. placebo 100% wts AverMedia Live Gamer HD pm offer :D | ||
|
n0ah
United States250 Posts
| ||
|
WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
You can do 720p/60 fps without a capture card. Getting one is not going to magically let you do 60 fps. Hardware encoding is simply not a viable alternative to software encoding currently. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:35 n0ah wrote: There is a pretty big difference between 30fps and 60fps while watching a stream (playing it is a different matter). But as someone mentioned earlier, I don't think that everyone is physically capable of noticing it. But correct me if I'm wrong, the human eye is not capable of seeing anything past 60fos (in terms of improvement) anyways. I use FFsplit without a capture card, and I am capable of streaming at 720p @60fps with relatively little to no performance hit. It takes about 500fps or so to get to reality perfect, but the question isn't how many FPS can the eye see. Easy test. Wave your mouse around. Youll notice the mouse only appears in several places with easily viewable distances between them. A 120hz will double the amount of cursor points you will see. Also the CPU still has to capture the screen, the card handles the encoding for you. | ||
|
WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:55 Medrea wrote: It takes about 500fps or so to get to reality perfect, but the question isn't how many FPS can the eye see. Easy test. Wave your mouse around. Youll notice the mouse only appears in several places with easily viewable distances between them. A 120hz will double the amount of cursor points you will see. Also the CPU still has to capture the screen, the card handles the encoding for you. Only if you use hardware encoding. Which is shit. Vastly, dramatically inferior to software encoding in performance. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 26 2012 10:14 WTFZerg wrote: Only if you use hardware encoding. Which is shit. Vastly, dramatically inferior to software encoding in performance. You've got me on that one. FFSplit doesnt even give me an option one way or another. EDIT2: Wow I derped real bad here. I had it backwards. The card is capturing not encoding. Hur Dur capture card not encoding card lullul. | ||
|
WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 26 2012 10:19 Medrea wrote: You've got me on that one. FFSplit doesnt even give me an option one way or another. EDIT2: Wow I derped real bad here. I had it backwards. The card is capturing not encoding. Hur Dur capture card not encoding card lullul. :D And yeah, FFsplit does not support capture cards directly just yet. Works nicely with AramecTV (or however you spell it) apparently. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 26 2012 10:33 WTFZerg wrote: :D And yeah, FFsplit does not support capture cards directly just yet. Works nicely with AramecTV (or however you spell it) apparently. yes yes FFsplit does NOT at the moment. Or at least not this one. Friend of mine tried it and it just crashes immediately. | ||
|
WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 26 2012 11:23 Medrea wrote: yes yes FFsplit does NOT at the moment. Or at least not this one. Friend of mine tried it and it just crashes immediately. From what I understand if you use AmarecTV in tandem with FFsplit it works just fine. By itself, FFsplit does not play well with capture cards. http://www.ffsplit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=459 | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
People are saying it can but does it work right? | ||
|
WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 26 2012 11:33 Medrea wrote: Does it let you use your webcam? People are saying it can but does it work right? I don't think you can use the overlay system if you're using anything but the FFsplit capture system. I could be wrong though, as I have not played with it my self. There's a new overlay coming out soon that is much more flexible. You may be able to set up your webcam through AmarecTV, but I'm not sure. | ||
|
Medrea
10003 Posts
That being said we are having this weird scaling issue where the stream is overscanned compared to the actual stream. So he can either have as tream thats not the right size or play in an environment thats not the right size. The FAQ says to just adjust the overscan but thats not a real solution since one is directly linked to the other. | ||
|
Filter
Canada620 Posts
| ||
| ||
