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On March 21 2012 01:53 skyR wrote: Overclocked variants are selling for $580 so Fudzilla may not be far off with a MSRP of $500.
Looks like Nvidia butchered computing power.
Such a bias review, as expected from Toms.
Can you explain this a little bit more?
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looks like a pretty good sweep from tom's review
but I'll wait for anand before I make any judgements
Odd thing with nvidia and 1600p though. 4xx 5xx and now 6xx seem to hit a wall there :/
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On March 21 2012 02:09 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 01:53 skyR wrote: Overclocked variants are selling for $580 so Fudzilla may not be far off with a MSRP of $500.
Looks like Nvidia butchered computing power.
Such a bias review, as expected from Toms. Can you explain this a little bit more?
NCIX has MSI OC and EVGA Superclocked for $580.
Well the imgur album got taken down but if you took a look at the computing benchmarks, it falls behind Tahiti and even their own Fermi.
They cherrypicked benches... some 2560x1600 benches are missing and others are missing AA.
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I looked but I didnt have enough time to actually do anything but skim.
I guess my next question would be if compute benchmarks actually mean anything, since I dont typically care about any of that.
Ive been reading around but most of the information is based around Japanese sites. Where did you see sales points for NCIX for 680?
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If the price for an overclocked GTX 680 is around $580, then Fudzilla is way off with their prediction
If the GTX 680 had a MSRP of $500, you would expect overclocked variants to be around $510-540...
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On March 21 2012 02:44 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I looked but I didnt have enough time to actually do anything but skim.
I guess my next question would be if compute benchmarks actually mean anything, since I dont typically care about any of that.
Ive been reading around but most of the information is based around Japanese sites. Where did you see sales points for NCIX for 680?
Well, computing power doesn't matter for gaming but no one cares about gaming besides gamers, that's not where the money is made.
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=69802
On March 21 2012 02:54 FragKrag wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If the price for an overclocked GTX 680 is around $580, then Fudzilla is way off with their prediction
If the GTX 680 had a MSRP of $500, you would expect overclocked variants to be around $510-540...
Well I don't consider -/+ $40 way off.
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Also it should be GK100 that is more compute-centric anyway. GTX 560 Ti is better at gaming (and power efficiency) relative to compute, than GTX 580.
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On March 21 2012 03:06 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 02:44 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I looked but I didnt have enough time to actually do anything but skim.
I guess my next question would be if compute benchmarks actually mean anything, since I dont typically care about any of that.
Ive been reading around but most of the information is based around Japanese sites. Where did you see sales points for NCIX for 680? Well, computing power doesn't matter for gaming but no one cares about gaming besides gamers, that's not where the money is made. http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=69802Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 02:54 FragKrag wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If the price for an overclocked GTX 680 is around $580, then Fudzilla is way off with their prediction
If the GTX 680 had a MSRP of $500, you would expect overclocked variants to be around $510-540... Well I don't consider -/+ $40 way off.
considering that $40-50 is what makes the GTX 680 either undercut the 7970 or stay on par with it, I'd say that's a pretty significant margin of error
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On March 21 2012 03:06 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 02:44 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I looked but I didnt have enough time to actually do anything but skim.
I guess my next question would be if compute benchmarks actually mean anything, since I dont typically care about any of that.
Ive been reading around but most of the information is based around Japanese sites. Where did you see sales points for NCIX for 680? Well, computing power doesn't matter for gaming but no one cares about gaming besides gamers, that's not where the money is made. http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=69802
*scratches head*
wat? Are you talking about workstation applications then?
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Tesla / Quadro top cards sell for like $2000 but the GPUs are just the same as in the computer video cards. As you can expect, margins are thus pretty nice. They're not just in workstations for CAD but in supercomputing clusters for mostly scientific computation. Check the usage of Tesla C2050 in supercomputing sites (list here). In Q4 2011, the business / workstation solution sales were about $220m out of $950m total revenues.
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Damn!.. I need to buy a graphics card, like, right NOW.. My gtx295 broke and I need something to game with. But now I have no idea what to do. Wait for the 680, or just go for a 7970?
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We dont have anything reliable on the 680 yet.
Which reminds me, I thought we were skipping to 7xx and 6xx was for OEM's? I guess they were just rumors anyway huh.
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GTX680 is supposed to be a mid-range card too, that's crazy. If the pricing is <$550 it is a better deal than the 7970, but overall it seems to be about 5% faster than the 7970. I'm hoping they put it at a price point at about $500, bring the price point down a little bit, and then the prices would solidify at about $480 for the 7970 and $500 for the 680.
I'm really worried about newer games requiring these kinds of graphics cards to run, I don't want a $500-$600 become a staple of an average system. I wish the pricing remains the same, where top end cards are $500~ and mid-range cards vary between $200-$250...
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You can believe whatever cherry picked benchmarks you want. Until we see an actual review of the performance we won't and don't know a thing.
Those cards will never be staple. Especially not now where the console market has a fairly tight grip on the evolution of gaming. And will for years to come as Sony and Microsoft have no plans to launch a new console until 2015, and nintendo's next system isn't even built yet and is already technologically obsolete.
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That's evolution of computer graphics in games, which IMHO is not really a priority to making good or even good-looking games.
Or wait, there's no evolution in game design these days anyway, so all the evolution is in computer graphics? x_x
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You can choose to take what I said on whatever level you'd like to be honest.
While no doubt I was referring to graphical capabilities in gaming. To be honest, yeah consoles have a grip on game design as well. Most of today's PC games have awful UI's and controls, simulated mouse controls. Its terrible.
I have a feeling a lot of these games also have dumbed down mechanics simply because there is no room for them on a controller.
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Yeah I agree, a lot of genres are underrepresented and mechanics dumbed down because they don't work well on console controls. I think that's a much bigger issue than the computational limitations. On the other hand, it's not like developers are making stunning progress and breakthroughs with genres and concepts that are not limited by the controls or hardware even on consoles.
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I feel like they're putting off the console releases because they haven't been able to make considerate technological advances and thus it won't live up to the huge difference of ps2 > ps3 / xbox> xbox360.It may also be the fact that console gaming is growing exponentially without the technology being updated. Any "predicted" release dates for a console are absolute bullshit until Microsoft / Sony start seeing a decrease in console sales.
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I'm still doing great with my GTX 260 :D lol
What games are you guys playing that make use of this kinda power?
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