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Ever wondered how to stream in decent quality with this bad of internet?
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1684287852.png)
If so, You have come to the correct place!
Requirements:
Internet with around 0.5mb upload, and a medium spec PC.
My PC is:
My PC Specification:
Processor: Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 Processor
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2
Memory/RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz
Graphics Card: Asus GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini HDMI PCI-E
Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V LX Socket 1155 Onboard graphics output 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
Hard Drivers: 1TB + 250GB
PowerSupply: OCZ 600W
Anything around that specifications will be fine!
Download Xsplit here: www.xsplit.com
Set up xsplit with the follow settings to your account,
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l1MwG.png)
Use 1280x720 resolution and 20 FPS - Set the FPS higher if you want, this is just what works for me.
Heres a example of the quality you will recieve!
http://www.twitch.tv/lawsonnz/b/311973297
Hope this helps, more of my settings for slow upload than a guide, but it works! :D
Have fun,
Any questions ask below!
Also if you have a reddit account can you upvote this for me please;) http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/r139b/guide_xsplit_settings_for_slow_upload/
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Why are you using Speex instead of AAC? Audio quality will be terrible.
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Big thanks for this Lawsonz, was having trouble with xsplit for a long time regarding quality, this helped me out a bunch <3
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On March 18 2012 04:15 R1CH wrote:
Why are you using Speex instead of AAC? Audio quality will be terrible.
I haven't paid for xsplit yet, only codec you can use when you haven't paid for it now 
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I wouldnt suggest using 720p res on such a low bitrate stream.
I myself used to have a .45 upload speed, i'd stream with 350 bitrate at my resolution scaled down 1/2 (so 800x450 for my 1600x900 resolution game, less pixelation) and it would look pretty good with an fps of 30.
I've recently upgraded to a .8 upload and stream at 600 bitrate and things look fairly good.
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On March 18 2012 04:19 Nabutso wrote:
I wouldnt suggest using 720p res on such a low bitrate stream.
I myself used to have a .45 upload speed, i'd stream with 350 bitrate at my resolution scaled down 1/2 (so 800x450 for my 1600x900 resolution game, less pixelation) and it would look pretty good with an fps of 30.
I've recently upgraded to a .8 upload and stream at 600 bitrate and things look fairly good.
Any links to your vods so i can see if its worth it :D?
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On March 18 2012 04:18 unrealfu wrote:
Big thanks for this Lawsonz, was having trouble with xsplit for a long time regarding quality, this helped me out a bunch <3
Np Unrealfu:D Glad it helped atleast one person! ;D
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On March 18 2012 04:21 lawsonnz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:19 Nabutso wrote:
I wouldnt suggest using 720p res on such a low bitrate stream.
I myself used to have a .45 upload speed, i'd stream with 350 bitrate at my resolution scaled down 1/2 (so 800x450 for my 1600x900 resolution game, less pixelation) and it would look pretty good with an fps of 30.
I've recently upgraded to a .8 upload and stream at 600 bitrate and things look fairly good. Any links to your vods so i can see if its worth it :D?
Unfortunately, no
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hmm my cpu is 2410m, and i already tried those specs..
Sadly because its laptop, its still not smooth unlike urs
I'll have to reduce some bitrates to create like urs.
Thanks for the thread though!
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On March 18 2012 05:10 Messi wrote:hmm my cpu is 2410m, and i already tried those specs.. Sadly because its laptop, its still not smooth unlike urs I'll have to reduce some bitrates to create like urs. Thanks for the thread though!
Np glad it kinda helped :D
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i offer you my babies lawsonnz
to be on topic, i had a question, does the FPS change affect the bandwidth or CPU?
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How do you set FPS and resolution?
Edit: Also as someone with a pretty powerful computer, but limited upload speed, what can I change if anything?
Edit2: Nvm I din't realize you meant resolution and frame rate of the xsplit window
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A PC with a 2500K is not "a medium spec PC". It's high-end.
And considering your upload speed & CPU, you should be using a slower preset - as slow as possible - as well as overclocking the CPU if haven't already.
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Is this possible with internet worse than that?
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On March 18 2012 08:18 Rhythmicx wrote:
i offer you my babies lawsonnz
to be on topic, i had a question, does the FPS change affect the bandwidth or CPU?
Fps change will affect CPU more afaik.
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On March 18 2012 10:47 ff7legend wrote:
Is this possible with internet worse than that?
You could try but the quality would be worse.
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On March 18 2012 10:27 Wabbit wrote:
A PC with a 2500K is not "a medium spec PC". It's high-end.
And considering your upload speed & CPU, you should be using a slower preset - as slow as possible - as well as overclocking the CPU if haven't already.
Hm.. I would say its medium-high end.
How does the presets work?
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Wow, this is amazing. Thank you.
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On March 18 2012 12:21 Ruscour wrote:
Wow, this is amazing. Thank you.
NP!
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Thanks a lot! First time I got a green light!
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Great Guide but is my PC good for it?
Internet speed: 5mb down 0.5mb up
Processor: QuadCore AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 955, 3200 MHz
Memory/RAM: 2 x 2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (768 MB)
Motherboard: ASRock M3A770DE
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looks amazing, but it also looks like you have a huge command delay when you play :[ anything to reduce that part?
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On April 05 2012 01:56 JiYan wrote:
looks amazing, but it also looks like you have a huge command delay when you play :[ anything to reduce that part?
I think you don't have computer good enough
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Heya everyone, i have been trying to stream 1080p recently @ 3000 bitrate and it lags from the streamers POV.
I have 50mb down, 5 up and the test in xsplits gives me a "yellow" and anything above 3000 bitrate, i get a red.
I have a i5 2500k @ 4.5 ghz.
I also have the quality at "10".
Also when i lower it to 2750 or something like that, the stream is lag free but very blurring, i kept the buffer at 3000 as i've heard this decreases the pixellation.
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On April 06 2012 03:00 Hilo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:56 JiYan wrote:
looks amazing, but it also looks like you have a huge command delay when you play :[ anything to reduce that part? I think you don't have computer good enough
Thats actually ping.. if he's receiving frame drops, thats a whole other thing altogether, but if he is receiving command delays on his end its the ping which is either too slow or too much % of packet loss.
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hey my internet connection is same as you...i play game hon and my game is lagging...why?need help...thx.. :D
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/2084870153.png)
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Sorry for posting in quite an old thread but I was just wondering if I'd be able to stream StarCraft II at 720p with the following connection:
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/2085348114.png)
My PC specs are (It seems my specs and the OP's are very similar indeed):
i5 2500K overclocked to 4.2GHz
ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 motherboard
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM
64GB Crucial M4 SSD (SC2 is installed on the SSD if it makes any difference)
PNY XLR8 OC2 GTX 560Ti 1GB
I play in 1080p but would like to stream in 720p if possible. I'm not too familiar with XSplit so if anyone could tell me what sort of settings I'd be looking at to get the best out of my PC/Internet, that'd be great.
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On July 27 2012 00:21 Mackem wrote:Sorry for posting in quite an old thread but I was just wondering if I'd be able to stream StarCraft II at 720p with the following connection: My PC specs are (It seems my specs and the OP's are very similar indeed): i5 2500K overclocked to 4.2GHz ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 motherboard 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM 64GB Crucial M4 SSD (SC2 is installed on the SSD if it makes any difference) PNY XLR8 OC2 GTX 560Ti 1GB I play in 1080p but would like to stream in 720p if possible. I'm not too familiar with XSplit so if anyone could tell me what sort of settings I'd be looking at to get the best out of my PC/Internet, that'd be great.
Hello, hit me up on skype and i'l try and help you out - im the guy that made this thread haha - lawson101 
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I managed to get it working but I noticed a small delay when I click on things i.e. when trying to rally the nexus to different mineral patches, there was a very slight delay when I was trying to rally between two different patches. I set the bitrate to 600.
EDIT: Actually, it does the same thing without XSplit brodcasting/open. My FPS was set to 25 though, gonna drop it to 20 and see what happens.
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On July 27 2012 00:46 Mackem wrote:
I managed to get it working but I noticed a small delay when I click on things i.e. when trying to rally the nexus to different mineral patches, there was a very slight delay when I was trying to rally between two different patches. I set the bitrate to 600.
EDIT: Actually, it does the same thing without XSplit brodcasting/open. My FPS was set to 25 though, gonna drop it to 20 and see what happens.
Ok thats good, dont know about the delay.
Dont know if that will make a difference but its worth a try!
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Yeah it just feels like choppy/lagging when I move around the screen with my mouse.
EDIT: It's only when XSplit is open; Even if it's open and I'm not broadcasting, the game gets choppy.
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On July 27 2012 01:15 Mackem wrote:
Yeah it just feels like choppy/lagging when I move around the screen with my mouse.
EDIT: It's only when XSplit is open; Even if it's open and I'm not broadcasting, the game gets choppy.
Hmm weird, try click View - View Scalepoint And setting that to 10% so its not so demanding on your CPU
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That doesn't help either :/
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It's not related to bitrate, preset, resolution, fps or viewport
It's called 'input lag'. Make sure you have Aero disabled if you are using Screen Region. We recommend using GameSource to prevent input lag, but it's a paid feature only.
Edit: This thread might give you some additional tips: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15270092
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On July 27 2012 02:40 HellGreen wrote:It's not related to bitrate, preset, resolution, fps or viewport It's called 'input lag'. Make sure you have Aero disabled if you are using Screen Region. We recommend using GameSource to prevent input lag, but it's a paid feature only. Edit: This thread might give you some additional tips: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15270092
Hellgreen to le rescue!
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I had Aero disabled and it was still happening.
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1. Are you using Screen Region?
2. Let's see a screen shot of your settings and one of Task Manager sorted by cpu usage while running a replay. It's important to be ingame when you do the screen shot (let SC2 be the window in focus - you can force Task Manager to be on top, see its options).
3. You might also need to clear your presentation (save first if you want).
4. Finally can you confirm the input lag is 'cured' by lowering the stream FPS as described in my link?
Oh and please give a comment ow two on the tips in the thread I linked to above. The more information you share the easier we can help.
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1. I am using screen region yes
2. Should I do this with XSplit open or broadcasting or just running a replay with XSplit closed?
EDIT:
Screenshot of running a replay with XSplit open but not broadcasting:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JR4uL.jpg)
Screenshot of running a replay with XSplit open and broadcasting:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gPqYw.jpg)
XSplit settings
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/M1nH8.png)
I also have the resolution set to 1280 x 720 and FPS set to 20. Like I said, I get this even when I'm not broadcasting; Just having XSplit open causes this sort of choppiness when moving around the screen.
Link to VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/mackem496/b/326360787
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You skipped questions/suggestions 3+4 though, and even though you were running the replay at x4 and x8 the screen shots were enough for me to see that XSplit is not consuming too many resources compared to your system specs.
As you are pointing out, it's not related to broadcasting (encoding), it's all about the capture. You can try different capture methods in Dxtory, GameSource or SCFH. Finally, feel free to try out FFSplit, it would be interesting to know how their capture method handles in your case.
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i love you dude i thought it wont be possible to stream with such low bandwidth
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On August 23 2012 22:12 HDcRYTV wrote:
i love you dude i thought it wont be possible to stream with such low bandwidth
np mate
Glad that it helped!
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Hello, I just recently started streaming and found this guide very helpful, still im unsure what to have my settings on.
My PC :
I5 35770K
gtx 580
16gb ram
SSD HDD
My current settings in Xplit :
Preset XSplit Default
Quality 8
VBV Max Bitrate (Kbs) 1500 Buffer 1500
Resulution detault stage resolution
Format 44.100 khx Codec AAC LC
Bitrate 80000
My INTERNET
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/2146732812.png)
With this settings i get :
Average data rate: 1349 kbps.
Dropped frames: 134
Your bandwidth to server is probably not sufficient.
You can redo the test, but if the test consistently gives you a RED signal, you may consider lowering your combined audio bitrate and max video bitrate to below 1580 kbps.
Can any1 help me with this?
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@yaeger,
In your channel settings, change your Location setting away from 'default' (assuming you use that value) and select either Amsterdam, London or Frankfurt. Repeat bandwidth test. It should give you a green light after that.
Secondly, what resolution are you streaming at? If 720p, I'd highly recommend to up the bitrate to around 2200 kbps for better stream (image) quality. Also up the audio bitrate to 128K. You have the bandwidth for it.
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hm, I have not changed the location from default, but whenever i up the VBV Bitrate above 1300, My viewers get massive lag in combat. Ye, im streaming at 720p.
Okey, ive changed the server to amsterdam, and upped my bitrate to 1400 ( sufficient with new location)
So, Any thoughts on if my viewers gonna get mass lag in battle?
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On August 29 2012 20:39 yaeger wrote:
hm, I have not changed the location from default, but whenever i up the VBV Bitrate above 1300, My viewers get massive lag in combat. Ye, im streaming at 720p.
Okey, ive changed the server to amsterdam, and upped my bitrate to 1400 ( sufficient with new location)
So, Any thoughts on if my viewers gonna get mass lag in battle?
The lag for your viewers likely happens due to the bandwidth constraints (congestion) on the 'default' server, that's why I recommend you to change it. It should not happen after you change it, but simply run a 'bandwidth test' to confirm, if you get a green light, you're good to go. There's also the theoretical possibility that your computer is choking and dropping the frames, but that really shouldn't happen with your hardware.
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Hi everyone. I hope someone reply as the last post was over 2 months ago. I'm looking to give someone my PC specs and for that person to tell me if I can stream or not. Any takers.
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Post them in the thread then everyone can look and give their opinions instead of just one person.
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So here is my up/down speed:
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What resolution and fps should I be looking at?
I got the green light on Xsplit from US West at roughly 2100 bitrate. Should I lower it just to be on the safe side? Does a 2100 bitrate stream at 720p look ok?
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It's fine, you can use pretty much whatever resolution/FPS you feel like with that upload. Twitch caps at 3500 video bitrate which most people can watch i think, but some like lower bitrate streams
more bitrate = higher quality, 2000 isn't enough to make a "perfect" stream with lots of camera motion even at 720p30 (pretty much nobody has perfect stream) - so it's not wasted if you add more, but it's also not strictly necessary
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Will using dxtory or purchasing a capture card help? I noticed when only using xsplit to stream games feels so sluggish. I have a i7 3700, 16 gigs of ram and a gtx770 so I know something is wrong if the game can't run smooth once I go live.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
Which games? Are you using game capture?
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Battlefield 4 specifically. I'm only using Xsplit currently but trying to decide if using Dxtory or buying a capture card would help. Building a second PC isn't an option.
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Probably not, bf4 uses a ton of CPU across 4+ cores. It's probably easier to just stream/encode with NVENC. If Xsplit doesn't have support for that, OBS does and as a backup, Shadowplay does as well but it's not as configurable/good
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I may try shadowplay to see if that helps. Right now whenever I go live its just too sluggish to even attempt playing without raging.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
unless they improved it a ton, shadowplay config for nvenc is way worse than obs
single gpu you should lose maybe 10% fps for 1080p30/720p60 with no cpu load with it, but worse quality than CPU encoding at the same bitrate. You can't really cpu encode games like bf4 or crysis 3 at high resolution and FPS without something like a 4930k or a two-PC setup (unless you want to lose more fps than neccesary) just because they'll load all of your cores heavily to get their performance, it's not like sc2 or LoL where one or two cores are loaded pretty heavily and the rest of your CPU is idle and available for encoding
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