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drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
September 17 2013 01:13 GMT
#621
On September 16 2013 16:39 Demoninja wrote:
Random question, has Schiit Magni/Modi ever gone on sale?


Not in my memory. But the o2+odac has gone on sale before on massdrop.
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Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 02:05:40
September 17 2013 02:00 GMT
#622
So since im too lazy atm to actually read through the thread at the moment i'm hopeful someone knowledgeable will bother to help me anyway, so lets start:

I'm thinking of buying new Headphones (No shit) and I have a budget of around 400-450USD, the only thing I know atm is that they should be of the "Open" type and circumaural, I listen to most genres but the ones I tend to lean more towards are RnB/Hip-Hop/Rap and EDM overall I guess. I guess i'll need some kind of DAC or Soundcard that will be enough to power those aswell so suggestions for that would also be nice really.

They are only going to be used for music really, comfort is a big plus of course but it's not the most important.

I've been looking at Beyerdynamics DT880 250 Ohm and the 600 Ohm version, what's the difference really? And what is recommended to use those really in terms of other equipment

Thank you for bothering to read^^
Jaedong & Faker
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
September 17 2013 03:57 GMT
#623
On September 17 2013 11:00 Thinasy wrote:
So since im too lazy atm to actually read through the thread at the moment i'm hopeful someone knowledgeable will bother to help me anyway, so lets start:

I'm thinking of buying new Headphones (No shit) and I have a budget of around 400-450USD, the only thing I know atm is that they should be of the "Open" type and circumaural, I listen to most genres but the ones I tend to lean more towards are RnB/Hip-Hop/Rap and EDM overall I guess. I guess i'll need some kind of DAC or Soundcard that will be enough to power those aswell so suggestions for that would also be nice really.

They are only going to be used for music really, comfort is a big plus of course but it's not the most important.

I've been looking at Beyerdynamics DT880 250 Ohm and the 600 Ohm version, what's the difference really? And what is recommended to use those really in terms of other equipment

Thank you for bothering to read^^


Try Hifiman HE 400's. Rather suitable for bassy music, and not particularly amp picky. Add on a magni+modi and you have a great setup, albeit overbudget.
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Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
September 17 2013 08:40 GMT
#624
On September 17 2013 10:13 drew-chan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 16:39 Demoninja wrote:
Random question, has Schiit Magni/Modi ever gone on sale?


Not in my memory. But the o2+odac has gone on sale before on massdrop.


Yeah I can't remember it ever going on sale either. I have no problems picking it up at retail price was just wondering. I'm probably going to pick up the HD 600s via massdrop.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
September 18 2013 01:31 GMT
#625
On September 17 2013 12:57 drew-chan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 11:00 Thinasy wrote:
So since im too lazy atm to actually read through the thread at the moment i'm hopeful someone knowledgeable will bother to help me anyway, so lets start:

I'm thinking of buying new Headphones (No shit) and I have a budget of around 400-450USD, the only thing I know atm is that they should be of the "Open" type and circumaural, I listen to most genres but the ones I tend to lean more towards are RnB/Hip-Hop/Rap and EDM overall I guess. I guess i'll need some kind of DAC or Soundcard that will be enough to power those aswell so suggestions for that would also be nice really.

They are only going to be used for music really, comfort is a big plus of course but it's not the most important.

I've been looking at Beyerdynamics DT880 250 Ohm and the 600 Ohm version, what's the difference really? And what is recommended to use those really in terms of other equipment

Thank you for bothering to read^^


Try Hifiman HE 400's. Rather suitable for bassy music, and not particularly amp picky. Add on a magni+modi and you have a great setup, albeit overbudget.


Thanks for the tip! I've checked around frequently and i'll definitely have to try these out
Jaedong & Faker
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
September 26 2013 06:34 GMT
#626
Audioengine D1 on sale for 119+tax+shipping on massdrop if anyone is interested in a budget DAC/Amp
Kazragore
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States369 Posts
October 01 2013 18:41 GMT
#627
I have a home theater system that had been sitting around idle in my basement for months (my mom hated the cords running all around the room) that I finally remembered about and decided to hook up to my computer. So all's well, I use the theater system as my speakers and use the headphone jack on my computer when I want to use headphones.

One day I noticed that the theater system had a headphone output on it, so I decide what the hell, I'll try plugging my cans into that instead of the computer itself thinking I would be getting the same sound, just from a different jack. Lo and behold, it sounds way fucking better plugged into the theater system. What gives? This is the system I'm using, and the headphone jack is a 6.3mm jack and not the usual 3.5mm. What's the difference? Is it acting as an amplifier?
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#628
Which cans? If you're getting sounds from it, yes, it has some kind of output electronics that can be considered an amplifier.

Do you get more bass out of the receiver?
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
October 01 2013 19:35 GMT
#629
Looking to get some closed headphones. $200-400. Currently have DT880, but they are too loud to use when my girlfriend is sleeping.

I like all genres of music, but have been listening to trance lately.

Any recommendations?
iG.Voltron
Profile Joined May 2009
26 Posts
October 03 2013 01:14 GMT
#630
On September 17 2013 11:00 Thinasy wrote:
So since im too lazy atm to actually read through the thread at the moment i'm hopeful someone knowledgeable will bother to help me anyway, so lets start:

I'm thinking of buying new Headphones (No shit) and I have a budget of around 400-450USD, the only thing I know atm is that they should be of the "Open" type and circumaural, I listen to most genres but the ones I tend to lean more towards are RnB/Hip-Hop/Rap and EDM overall I guess. I guess i'll need some kind of DAC or Soundcard that will be enough to power those aswell so suggestions for that would also be nice really.

They are only going to be used for music really, comfort is a big plus of course but it's not the most important.

I've been looking at Beyerdynamics DT880 250 Ohm and the 600 Ohm version, what's the difference really? And what is recommended to use those really in terms of other equipment

Thank you for bothering to read^^


i have similar style of music taste to yourself, any reason you are opting for open style headphones ? for maximum bass response a closed can is going to give you more of a 'punch'

Check the Yamaha Pro 500's - i recently purchased a pair after demo'ing many sets of Audio Technica / Beyer Dynamics / Sennheisers in similar price range, and the yamaha's were the clear winner to me.

i cant offer too much in terms of soundcard / DAC as im using mine with a portable amp for out and about and use my $10k home theatre system for my gaming.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
October 03 2013 02:17 GMT
#631
On October 02 2013 04:35 TooL wrote:
Looking to get some closed headphones. $200-400. Currently have DT880, but they are too loud to use when my girlfriend is sleeping.

I like all genres of music, but have been listening to trance lately.

Any recommendations?



Try A900X's, little bass light (compared to the DT880) but you can equalise to make up for it with a small bump to the mid bass. I do own the denon D2000's and they are pretty good at the price for trance too.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9041 Posts
October 06 2013 13:58 GMT
#632
has anyone used the Sennheiser PC 3 Chat and Logitech H340?
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 14:09:44
October 06 2013 14:08 GMT
#633
On October 02 2013 03:41 Kazragore wrote:
I have a home theater system that had been sitting around idle in my basement for months (my mom hated the cords running all around the room) that I finally remembered about and decided to hook up to my computer. So all's well, I use the theater system as my speakers and use the headphone jack on my computer when I want to use headphones.

One day I noticed that the theater system had a headphone output on it, so I decide what the hell, I'll try plugging my cans into that instead of the computer itself thinking I would be getting the same sound, just from a different jack. Lo and behold, it sounds way fucking better plugged into the theater system. What gives? This is the system I'm using, and the headphone jack is a 6.3mm jack and not the usual 3.5mm. What's the difference? Is it acting as an amplifier?


Pretty much. It most likely has a much lower output impedance compared to your probably cheap ass budget sound card which is embeded on your motherboard.

There is no real difference between a 1/4" jack and a 3.5mm mini jack. They both have same connections. (TRS)
Whats the altitude?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 07 2013 01:46 GMT
#634
Just going to point out, it's not about whether the output impedance is high or low, but it's how well the impedance matching maximizes the power in the circuit. Read a bit on Impedance Matching. It's a solid reason why the Asus Xonar Essence (STX?) sounds so good with the Sennheiser HD800.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 06:15:10
October 07 2013 06:14 GMT
#635
Hey guys, I've been using a v-moda m80 for about 10 months now. Just today the right ear stopped working. It works sometimes if I replug in the cables into the headphones. But mostly still doesn't work. Does anyone know if this is possible to be fixed by myself or do I have to send it back for repair?

Please answer me by PM as it would be a lot easier for me to see. Thanks!
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 07 2013 15:15 GMT
#636
On October 06 2013 23:08 Chewits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 03:41 Kazragore wrote:
I have a home theater system that had been sitting around idle in my basement for months (my mom hated the cords running all around the room) that I finally remembered about and decided to hook up to my computer. So all's well, I use the theater system as my speakers and use the headphone jack on my computer when I want to use headphones.

One day I noticed that the theater system had a headphone output on it, so I decide what the hell, I'll try plugging my cans into that instead of the computer itself thinking I would be getting the same sound, just from a different jack. Lo and behold, it sounds way fucking better plugged into the theater system. What gives? This is the system I'm using, and the headphone jack is a 6.3mm jack and not the usual 3.5mm. What's the difference? Is it acting as an amplifier?


Pretty much. It most likely has a much lower output impedance compared to your probably cheap ass budget sound card which is embeded on your motherboard.

There is no real difference between a 1/4" jack and a 3.5mm mini jack. They both have same connections. (TRS)

Nah, it could well be the other way around. A lot of receivers just tap the speaker amplifier for the headphone output. To keep volume levels in a sane range for most headphones, often resistors of a few hundred ohms are put between the speaker amp output and the headphone jack, so you're dealing with more output impedance than pretty much any other kind of source including vacuum tube amps with no output transformer.


On October 07 2013 10:46 Blisse wrote:
Just going to point out, it's not about whether the output impedance is high or low, but it's how well the impedance matching maximizes the power in the circuit. Read a bit on Impedance Matching. It's a solid reason why the Asus Xonar Essence (STX?) sounds so good with the Sennheiser HD800.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

First of all, that article is mostly about max power transfer for a different scenario than the one we're talking about. The main question there is how to pick (select, design) a load to maximize power transfer given a source with a certain output impedance. The other stuff later about transmission lines is not relevant here at audio frequencies and the distances we're talking about, and it's not like anything is close to matched anyway. What we're looking at with headphones is a fixed load with a source of our choosing. The way to maximize power transfer for a given output level is to pick a source with the smallest possible output impedance.

Second of all, the ~300 ohms (varying, goes up above 600 ohms) of the HD 800 doesn't correspond to any kind of ratio or anything on the Essence STX's ~10 ohms output impedance. Also, if something were "matched" at one frequency, wouldn't it no longer be matched at another frequency where the impedance is different?

Finally, we're not exactly interested in max power transfer for headphones anyway because most are too loud out of most sources anyway.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 07 2013 15:26 GMT
#637
Of I've been looking for a thread such as this one for a bit.


I'm looking to get a sound card for a PC. I want to be able to hook up the PC to an amplifier (the amp has RCA input) and that amplifier is connected the big speakers.

I've been thinking of getting a good sound card and using something like this to convert the sound card's digital signal into an analogical signal that can be used by the amplifier. The idea is to get nice sound.

I already have the speakers and the amp, they work great. I'm just looking for a good sound card to use for this role, that way I can have all the music on the hard drive so that it's easier to access.

Any suggestions? Been looking into the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1.

Yes, I've heard of USB DAC stuff but that seems a bit too expensive. I'm looking for something that has better sound than onboard motherboard sound but without going over 100€.
maru lover forever
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 08 2013 01:10 GMT
#638
On October 08 2013 00:15 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 10:46 Blisse wrote:
Just going to point out, it's not about whether the output impedance is high or low, but it's how well the impedance matching maximizes the power in the circuit. Read a bit on Impedance Matching. It's a solid reason why the Asus Xonar Essence (STX?) sounds so good with the Sennheiser HD800.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

First of all, that article is mostly about max power transfer for a different scenario than the one we're talking about. The main question there is how to pick (select, design) a load to maximize power transfer given a source with a certain output impedance. The other stuff later about transmission lines is not relevant here at audio frequencies and the distances we're talking about, and it's not like anything is close to matched anyway. What we're looking at with headphones is a fixed load with a source of our choosing. The way to maximize power transfer for a given output level is to pick a source with the smallest possible output impedance.

Second of all, the ~300 ohms (varying, goes up above 600 ohms) of the HD 800 doesn't correspond to any kind of ratio or anything on the Essence STX's ~10 ohms output impedance. Also, if something were "matched" at one frequency, wouldn't it no longer be matched at another frequency where the impedance is different?

Finally, we're not exactly interested in max power transfer for headphones anyway because most are too loud out of most sources anyway.


Fair enough, I'm not well versed enough in circuits to debate, and I can't seem to find the giant thread that was on about it 2+ years ago, so I can't trust if my memory is 100% accurate if you say it isn't. I simply remember that was a good area of discussion (unless I got the wrong wiki article).
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
November 17 2013 19:44 GMT
#639
bump

Im looking for something very similar to my AD700s just newer

any great new models that I might like ? my price range is about 200
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 10:27:36
November 22 2013 23:16 GMT
#640
Nevermind.
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