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Hydra`
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 19:30:45
December 18 2011 15:28 GMT
#1
Hey, I've been trying different streaming applications out recently, namely Xsplit and FMLE 3.2 (cmd). I am having trouble streaming on Xsplit with higher quality, I tried posting on the Xsplit help forum but the problem is still not resolved.

I have seen others experiencing similar problem on the xsplit support forum, maybe people on TL can offer some help regarding this : /

First I would like to point out that I am currently located in Hong Kong, but I am still able to stream at the San Francisco and LA server with reasonable upload rate.

Speedtest on SF server:
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Speedtest on LA server:
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Speedtest on Hong Kong server:
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I am doing all my testing on the LA secondary server (similar results on LA primary as well as SF primary/secondary which I am not going to show for now.)

RTMP:
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Source: http://support.twitch.tv/discussion/62/proxy-server-listing/p1



The video show that FMLE runs smoothly with a steady 3500+ kbps.
http://www.twitch.tv/lfhydra/b/302960572


Now moving on to xsplit.
Settings:
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Xsplit bandwidth tester:
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Xsplit stream test:
http://www.twitch.tv/lfhydra/b/302960599

Screenshot below show that xsplit only streaming at ~1200kbps
http://i.imgur.com/ZybQ1.jpg



EDIT: PC spec below:
+ Show Spoiler +

i5-2500k
Asus P8P67
8GB DDR-1333
Corsair GS600
MSI Geforce GTX560 Ti TF II
1920x1080



EDIT2:
Tried streaming on xsplit from RTMP manually
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TL:DR
Unable to get good bitrate while streaming with Xsplit where as FMLE can get as high as 3500kbps even 4000 (stable) without any trouble.


Thanks in advance.
Hai.
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 16:26:57
December 18 2011 16:12 GMT
#2
This is indeed weird.

Could you link me to the thread on XSplit as I think this topic requires at least some interaction with XSplit and/or some of the experts in there.

Have you tried a different stream provider like own3d, if for nothing else then for reference?
Also, what exact version of XSplit are you using?
Free to do whatever I want!
Hydra`
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 17:01:43
December 18 2011 16:55 GMT
#3
On December 19 2011 01:12 HellGreen wrote:
This is indeed weird.

Could you link me to the thread on XSplit as I think this topic requires at least some interaction with XSplit and/or some of the experts in there.

Have you tried a different stream provider like own3d, if for nothing else then for reference?
Also, what exact version of XSplit are you using?

http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3003&start=30
http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701



Yeah I have tried using own3d, upload rate is awful on both FMLE and xsplit, but own3d never have a good connection to SEA, so I don't think its a good indicator of performance.


EDIT:

Just tried on ustream, I am able to get 2500kbps with FMLE.
[image loading]

Xsplit
[image loading]

Didn't test on livestream, its awful and limit to 500kbps for free users (wtf)
Hai.
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 07:42:09
December 19 2011 07:00 GMT
#4
Thanks for the update.

I'd still like to know your exact version of XSplit *and* the Justin.tv plugin. For the latter, here's an example of how to get that info (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12222283).

Edit:
After I saw you tried out custom RTMP I suppose the plugin version is irrelevant.

Edit2:
What resolution are you streaming at?
Someone already suggested that your stream during the tests might not have needed to go above ~1600 kbps. Adding these two statements to the scenario:

if your bitrate setting is equally high (>2000 kbps) then you may find that the tester slightly undershoots the target of MBR + ABR


Please note: During the testing, XSplit will automatically set the frame rate to a maximum of 30 fps which is the maximum recommended frame rate for live streaming. This is to ensure an absolute constant frame rate can be maintained which is required to achieve accurate test results. You should be aware that the actual scene which was active when you started the bandwidth test will be streamed to your target.

Both are from: http://www.xsplit.com/broadcaster/help/index.html?bandwidth_tester_guide.htm

Seeing your XSplit bitrate is set to 2500 kbps and I noticed that in at least some of the screenshots you were only test-streaming your desktop or the rather stationary SC2 menu. Remember the bandwidth test in XSplit needs real life action (as in a replay) to realistically represent a live scenario. That said I don't think this is the only problem.
Free to do whatever I want!
Hydra`
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong42 Posts
December 19 2011 08:07 GMT
#5
On December 19 2011 16:00 HellGreen wrote:
Thanks for the update.

I'd still like to know your exact version of XSplit *and* the Justin.tv plugin. For the latter, here's an example of how to get that info (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12222283).

Edit:
After I saw you tried out custom RTMP I suppose the plugin version is irrelevant.

Edit2:
What resolution are you streaming at?
Someone already suggested that your stream during the tests might not have needed to go above ~1600 kbps. Adding these two statements to the scenario:

Show nested quote +
if your bitrate setting is equally high (>2000 kbps) then you may find that the tester slightly undershoots the target of MBR + ABR


Show nested quote +
Please note: During the testing, XSplit will automatically set the frame rate to a maximum of 30 fps which is the maximum recommended frame rate for live streaming. This is to ensure an absolute constant frame rate can be maintained which is required to achieve accurate test results. You should be aware that the actual scene which was active when you started the bandwidth test will be streamed to your target.

Both are from: http://www.xsplit.com/broadcaster/help/index.html?bandwidth_tester_guide.htm

Seeing your XSplit bitrate is set to 2500 kbps and I noticed that in at least some of the screenshots you were only test-streaming your desktop or the rather stationary SC2 menu. Remember the bandwidth test in XSplit needs real life action (as in a replay) to realistically represent a live scenario. That said I don't think this is the only problem.


Hey, I'm currently at work so I am unable to test some of the things you suggested, about streaming gameplay with xsplit, I've done a test stream of sc2 using xsplit here http://www.twitch.tv/lfhydra/b/302960599, I don't think the quality is at 2500kbps standard.
Hai.
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
December 22 2011 07:08 GMT
#6
Hey Hydra,

A development maybe: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701&p=16713#p16682
Free to do whatever I want!
Hydra`
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong42 Posts
December 22 2011 16:52 GMT
#7
Hey, yeah I read that, hopefully they finally acknowledge that there maybe a problem and not this pseudo thing.
Hai.
1borac1
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
6 Posts
December 22 2011 21:10 GMT
#8
Hey guys. I know this is a bit off topic, and I'm sorry for that, but I already tried the search function and I can't make my own thread yet because it hasn't been three days since I joined. Again, sorry for jacking your thread OP, but I need a quick question answered, and I was browsing through the tech support forum and this is the only thread that has something to do with my problem.

Anyways... I have my stream good and everything. I can stream to Twitch tv but one problem... whenever I try to stream SC2 it's just a black screen. My desktop and everything else streams great but SC2 doesn't stream at all. Does anyone know why?

Again, sorry OP for ruining your thread in a way :x
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
December 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#9
On December 23 2011 06:10 1borac1 wrote:
Anyways... I have my stream good and everything. I can stream to Twitch tv but one problem... whenever I try to stream SC2 it's just a black screen. My desktop and everything else streams great but SC2 doesn't stream at all. Does anyone know why?

Change your SC2 to 'windowed fullscreen mode' in stead of 'fullscreen'.

btw. I just searched for "black stream" (title+content):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296190
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8684232
Lots of results
Free to do whatever I want!
1borac1
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
6 Posts
December 23 2011 02:53 GMT
#10
On December 23 2011 09:49 HellGreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 06:10 1borac1 wrote:
Anyways... I have my stream good and everything. I can stream to Twitch tv but one problem... whenever I try to stream SC2 it's just a black screen. My desktop and everything else streams great but SC2 doesn't stream at all. Does anyone know why?

Change your SC2 to 'windowed fullscreen mode' in stead of 'fullscreen'.

btw. I just searched for "black stream" (title+content):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296190
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8684232
Lots of results


:p, sorry lol. Guess my searching skills suck xD. Thank you very much!
alokin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 02:37:14
January 04 2012 02:36 GMT
#11
To OP:

Did you figure anything out yet? I live in Canada and I've been getting 1200kbps cap all day on twitch.tv using XSplit. However, on own3d.tv I'm able to get around 3.65k each time.

Or could I be experiencing a different problem? (say the problem is with jtv, not me.)
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HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
January 04 2012 13:15 GMT
#12
On January 04 2012 11:36 alokin wrote:
To OP:

Did you figure anything out yet? I live in Canada and I've been getting 1200kbps cap all day on twitch.tv using XSplit. However, on own3d.tv I'm able to get around 3.65k each time.

Or could I be experiencing a different problem? (say the problem is with jtv, not me.)


Well, OP sees difference in speed using the same stream server with different pieces of software.

You, on the other hand, are streaming to different servers - so it's not the same issue. Which server did you stream to for Twitch.tv and has it always been a problem for you, or did it just recently start?
Free to do whatever I want!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 13:37:43
January 04 2012 13:33 GMT
#13
Stupid question but are you streaming at 1 set quality? Im pretty sure xsplit is meant to target a specific crf if you set a quality and not use higher bandwidth than required. Im not really sure how the bandwidth test works because i get different results all the time with it so this might still be relevant.

http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings#Ratecontrol

http://www.xsplit.com/blog.php?post_id=305
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kota
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark84 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 14:12:25
January 04 2012 14:11 GMT
#14
I get the exact same problem... Ive got 50/50, and my bitrate is capped at just below 1500
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 15:35:34
January 04 2012 15:34 GMT
#15
On January 04 2012 23:11 kota wrote:
I get the exact same problem... Ive got 50/50, and my bitrate is capped at just below 1500

Again, to which server?

It could be due to a) settings or b) it could be due to internet routing and even c) due to the stream service provider. I've seen all cases .

a) If you limit your bandwidth in settings, or just don't require more, it won't go higher. Extreme example: Imagine a one-colored static background on a 240p stream - it will never require much bandwidth. When testing in XSplit using the bandwidth test, the content must be real life like and preferable reproducable (like a video or time index in a replay).
b) This is self-explanatory I think - congestion anywhere from your router to the ISP will potentially cause problems - this can partly be eliminated by repeating tests at different times of the day.
c) In the XSplit forum thread a guy solves this by upgrading his JTV account to "Pro" - then, on my request, he makes a brand new free account which also works fine. Obviously there are a lot of factors here, but the stream service provider seems to control something too.
Free to do whatever I want!
HydraLF
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong626 Posts
January 04 2012 17:55 GMT
#16
Woops, just some quick update, I can still get way higher bandwidth with FMLE than xsplit, but with the recently introduced Asia Backup server, I was able to get to around 5000kbps, doesn't really solve why I get lower bandwidth for xsplit compare with FMLE, but its good enough (though Asia Backup is quite unstable so I'll prob end up going back to LA with FMLE).
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