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IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 22:29 GMT
#1
Does anyone know if there is a way to fix the lag between my laptop screen and my tv screen...

When I plug my HDMI cable into my laptop, and both screens are active... the TV screen is about a half second behind... which makes gaming pretty much impossible.

I have updated drivers, etc...

TV: 45" HD Philips 40PFL3705D/F7
Laptop: Sony Vaio PCG - 81214L (latest nvidia drivers)

I like to play old console titles on an emulator and wanted to try it on the big screen.

unfortunately the delay is killing me.

Thoughts?
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 22:32:35
September 08 2011 22:31 GMT
#2
Well, some TVs do just have bad input lag.

http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=40PFL3705D/F7&dct=FAQ&faqview=1&new_tmpl=1&refdisplay=QAC_79377&refnr=0079377&scy=US&slg=AEN

According to this, it's because you're using your laptop in 60hz mode and your TV is in 120hz mode, possibly.

There's more info on that page. You really probably should have checked the manufacturer's site first.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 22:37 GMT
#3
Ya it redirected me to philips.ca and for some reason I couldn't find my model.

Thx for the quick post I'll try that.
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 08 2011 22:38 GMT
#4
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See all FAQs
Question
Why do I experience lag while playing games on my TV or using it as a PC monitor?
Answer

The lag is usually experienced in TVs which have a 120Hz or 240Hz panel and have a motion smoothing feature such as Digital Natural Motion or 120Hz enabled. You must turn this feature off while playing games as depending on the complexity of the input signal, the TV might take some time to interpolate the 60Hz input signal to 120Hz which causes the lag.

To Remove Lag:
For TVs with Digital Natural Motion: DNM = Off
For TVs with 120Hz: 120Hz = Off

Note: Some TVs also have "Mode Selection = PC or HDTV", if you select PC, the TV will disable all video image processing features (such as dynamic contrast, noise reduction, etc.) and act as a pure monitor.

Further Reading and Helpful Information:

What causes lag for games & PCs while using DNM or 120Hz?

All 120Hz TVs always work at 120Hz, there are different methods of achieving 120Hz.

1. Frame Repeat (DNM or 120Hz = Off):
e.g. Input signal is 30fps ... The TV will repeat (120/30) i.e. 4 frames ... there is no lag in this case as the TV does not need to interpolate.

[Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Frame 2 ... ]

2. Frame Interpolation (DNM or 120Hz = On):
e.g. Input Signal is 30fps ... The TV uses consecutive frames to construct pseudo frames in between those frames using interpolation. Depending on the level of DNM, lag is more.

DNM Off -> [Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... Frame 2 ... ]
DNM Min -> [Frame 1 ... Repeat Frame 1 ... (Interpolated 1 & 2) ... (Repeat Interpolated 1 & 2) ... Frame 2 ... ]
DNM Max -> [Frame 1 ... (Interpolated 1 & Mid) ... (Interpolated Mid) ... Interpolated Mid & 2) ... Frame 2 ... ]

You need to understand that for processing motion smoothing, the TV must have frames it receives after the current frame to create the interpolated frames, so it is theoretically impossible to remove lag when you have a third variable beyond the TV's control (your PC mouse or game controller).

For Audio-Video, the TVs processor syncs audio-video according to the level of DNM, hence you never notice the lag.

No pure computer monitor uses interpolation for this very reason. As a thumb rule, never use interpolation (DNM or 120Hz) for game consoles or PCs, that is exactly why you have the option to turn it off. As an exeption, if you are using your PC as a HTPC to watch movies and you like motion smoothing to remove judder, you can turn on 120Hz or DNM while you are watching movies, etc. and the turn it back off when you use input devices such as a mouse or keyboard.

The main reason a TV performs interpolation is to remove judder for slow frame rates such as 24fps & 30fps in television / movie content.

Full text of the link.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 22:43 GMT
#5
disabled 120hz, and there is no DNM feature on the TV... there is still the input lag... I'll keep poking around the settings... but if anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears.

Thx for the full text jinglehell
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 22:53:20
September 08 2011 22:52 GMT
#6
Check your control panel resolution tab, and monkey around with settings.

Can always go to defaults if it breaks.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 22:57 GMT
#7
On September 09 2011 07:52 JingleHell wrote:
Check your control panel resolution tab, and monkey around with settings.

Can always go to defaults if it breaks.


I've been trying many resolution / refresh rate combo's with no luck so far...
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 08 2011 23:00 GMT
#8
Try rolling back a driver version maybe? If you have another display of some kind in the house with an HDMI in, or have a friend with one, try the laptop on that to isolate if it's your laptop or the display.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 23:00 GMT
#9
So im fairly sure its post-processing that is still being done by the TV... I cant figure out how to turn it off... there is no setting... but when watching news casts threw my regular cable... I can see resolution enhancement effecting reporter's hair.

grrr......
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 08 2011 23:06 GMT
#10
Does it not have the mode selection PC-HDTV thing the article mentioned?
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#11
it has a image quality setting for "game".. which I have selected... however that is just the desired tint/colour, contrast levels. there isn't any other setting of the sort....
IreScath
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 08 2011 23:09 GMT
#12
Sorry, man, you may just have to google it up some. I'm out of ideas. My TV doesn't cause trouble with nvidia drivers.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
September 08 2011 23:19 GMT
#13
Thx for the help... gunna try the firmware upgrade and double check nvidia drivers for an update... Thx for the assistence
IreScath
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