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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Yes, i'm sure i've read some advanced details and forgotton them, but in practice it means something along the lines of not being able to press certain combinations of three keys, especially when two or more are close together? That was first reason i avoided blackwidow (there were plenty of boards with better key rollover, or even ps/2 boards that avoid the issue altogether) | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On March 25 2014 04:32 Cyro wrote: Yes, i'm sure i've read some advanced details and forgotton them, but in practice it means something along the lines of not being able to press certain combinations of three keys, especially when two or more are close together? That was first reason i avoided blackwidow (there were plenty of boards with better key rollover, or even ps/2 boards that avoid the issue altogether) Well, not just certain combinations, but in general any combination. A NKRO keyboard will allow any combination of keys to be pressed at the same time. A 6KRO keyboard is supposed to allow any 6 keys to be pressed at the same time. Some manufacturers make their keyboard matrix so that most key combinations work, but some combinations of 3 keys will cause the third key to be ignored. For example, I believe my Filco Majestouch Cherry MX Blue TKL allows full NKRO on PS/2, but only 6KRO on USB, but no limitation on combinations AFAIK. I've tested it on: http://www.microsoft.com/appliedsciences/content/projects/KeyboardGhostingDemo.aspx Actually, rereading what you wrote, I think I might just be repeating what you are thinking - but might as well give a link for people to play with. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On March 27 2014 18:03 Vanadiel wrote: Has someone tested these new switches from Razer? I am quite curious about it! They are switches from a manufacturer called "Kailh". There is a small round logo stamped into the Razer switches and it's the Kailh logo. You can see it below the text that says "Razer". Here is an album with some talk about the Kailh switches and other clone switches: http://imgur.com/a/7ujle I'm guessing Cherry might manufacture their switches in Germany and this is too expensive for Razer, so they looked around and bought clones from Kailh. I'm not sure if Cherry doesn't also have factories in China and might just be straight up more expensive for no good reason. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2022ga/its_here_unboxing_initial_impressions_testing/ especially this part : http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2022ga/its_here_unboxing_initial_impressions_testing/cfz9q3y Huuum, I am considering testing it, I am a bit curious about it. :D | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
Speaking of which, I'm playing fighting games (Street Fighter and Skullgirls Encore) with WASD for movement, UIO(P) for punches and HJK(L) for kicks. Is it gonna be a problem with certain keyboards? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On March 29 2014 21:38 WindWolf wrote: Well, it does certainly looks interesting. I really could use a better keyboard for playing fighting games on PC anyway (don't ask why, but I'm playing on my laptop's keyboard right now). Speaking of which, I'm playing fighting games (Street Fighter and Skullgirls Encore) with WASD for movement, UIO(P) for punches and HJK(L) for kicks. Is it gonna be a problem with certain keyboards? A normal keyboard is often "2KRO = two key roll-over", meaning it only guarantees that pressing two keys at the same time is possible. That's only the worst case, so what you want to do might still work. You won't know until you try it because the limit is different depending on the key combinations you press. If you buy something, look for "NKRO" being mentioned somewhere. That's "n-key roll-over" and means there is no limit. There's also "6KRO" mentioned often because the USB connection has that limit. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 29 2014 22:50 Ropid wrote: A normal keyboard is often "2KRO = two key roll-over", meaning it only guarantees that pressing two keys at the same time is possible. That's only the worst case, so what you want to do might still work. You won't know until you try it because the limit is different depending on the key combinations you press. If you buy something, look for "NKRO" being mentioned somewhere. That's "n-key roll-over" and means there is no limit. There's also "6KRO" mentioned often because the USB connection has that limit. I know there is a limit on the amount of keys you can press at the same time (I play Juri on a crappy keyboard  Yeah, not the best of ideas) I think 6KRO will be enough for fighting games though, as I can't think of anything that would require more than 6 key presses at the same time | ||
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phar
United States1080 Posts
1) Use usb 1.1 protocol (actually yes, it can be this easy) 2) Emulate multiple boards (so your keyboard looks like 3 keyboards), and do some fancy stuff 3) Just rely on the fact that 104 keys can actually fit into like 14 bytes (14*8 > 104) But most keyboard manufacturers would rather not do any of the above. There are some exceptions: qpad mk 85, CM QF TK, CM QF Pro, Noppoo Choc Mini, etc Depending on the specific implementation of nkro over usb, the keyboard may behave... interestingly... on linux/OSX. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On March 30 2014 01:25 phar wrote: Note that you can actually make a USB keyboard that has NKRO not 6KRO, you just have to be a bit clever about how you implement the usb code on the board. They keyboard manufacturer can 1) Use usb 1.1 protocol (actually yes, it can be this easy) 2) Emulate multiple boards (so your keyboard looks like 3 keyboards), and do some fancy stuff 3) Just rely on the fact that 104 keys can actually fit into like 14 bytes (14*8 > 104) But most keyboard manufacturers would rather not do any of the above. There are some exceptions: qpad mk 85, CM QF TK, CM QF Pro, Noppoo Choc Mini, etc Depending on the specific implementation of nkro over usb, the keyboard may behave... interestingly... on linux/OSX. I've seen some confusing complications with #2 on windows 7 - small system hangs which presented as microstutter and confused a lot of people, i think it was a problem with specific hardware though | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 30 2014 02:13 Cyro wrote: I've seen some confusing complications with #2 on windows 7 - small system hangs which presented as microstutter and confused a lot of people, i think it was a problem with specific hardware though I remember that the devs of Skullgirls Encore has said that it was hard to program for multiple keyboards on PC. So I don't think the problem is only related to hardware | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Any thoughts from TL on WASD key quality, other options for getting Hangul keycaps without using stickers from eBay, or do you have a set you are willing to part with? This image from /r/mechanical keyboards was what got me thinking. http://i.imgur.com/ktTmhGW.jpg | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
Those are top notch quality keycaps, so if you do splurge you will be getting something that will feel good and will last for as long as you want them to last. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
The only issues I've had so far is; The freaking function key. I'm ashamed to admit it took me like 20 minutes to figure out you needed to hold this guy down for at least 3-5 seconds to activate/de-activate. [("works just like caps lock") pls.] It was also advertised as fully backlit on Newegg. It isn't. Only the main gaming graph is backlit. That's not of a real concern to me since I'll just fix it myself later. But still. Don't advertise something your product doesn't have. Otherwise no complaints. I have brown switches and I've been loving it for the past month. You guys know anything I should watch for as time goes on? | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On April 03 2014 12:54 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ey guys, so I've had a CM Storm QF ultimate for maby a month now.. The only issues I've had so far is; The freaking function key. I'm ashamed to admit it took me like 20 minutes to figure out you needed to hold this guy down for at least 3-5 seconds to activate/de-activate. [("works just like caps lock") pls.] It was also advertised as fully backlit on Newegg. It isn't. Only the main gaming graph is backlit. That's not of a real concern to me since I'll just fix it myself later. But still. Don't advertise something your product doesn't have. Otherwise no complaints. I have brown switches and I've been loving it for the past month. You guys know anything I should watch for as time goes on? Not initially but after a while I found the spacing on the CM Storm boards in need of tweaking. I found my palm intermittently hitting the WIN key and causing occasional issues in games. Other than that it is a solid little board. On an unrelated note, in honor of my getting a new job I picked up a new board for office use. http://i.imgur.com/5ahV01q.jpg | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
I will use it mostly for typing and some gaming if that helps. ps:sorry for horrendous english :/ | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:00 Kotreb wrote: Allos, so i come in need of advice. What keyboard would you recommend that goes for 100-150$ max. Looked into many of them, but can't make any reasonable conclusion on what exactly would be the right one. My only request is that it has cherry brown switches. I don't care if it's tenkeyless or stuff like that, as long as it's a good one and quality. Background lighting would be nice (since i tend to do most of my work at night). Also, one other problem is that live in Croatia so i don't know how many companies ship here :/ I will use it mostly for typing and some gaming if that helps. ps:sorry for horrendous english :/ No one? I looked into crsair vengance k70 and it seems nice, although backlight doesn't come in green (the rest of the colors rape my eyes). Anyone knows some keyboards with green backlight? | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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