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xSpartanCx
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1 Post
December 29 2012 15:15 GMT
#4681
Hello. My brother has the Blackwidow with blue switches, and it seems okay for typing, although it doesn't seem to have much tactile feel (although I've never felt another mechanical keyboard). When I type, it makes a nice sound, but I can't seem to feel a very definite click. Is this just the keyboard or are all blues supposed to be like that? Because if I press the key slowly I can feel a click, it's just not very noticeable when moving the key at a high speed.
kaNt-
Profile Joined December 2012
163 Posts
December 29 2012 15:36 GMT
#4682
Hi guys I got a Steelseries 6gv2 with MX red switches 1 week and a half ago, I like it but linear feeling is kind of boring. Also, the MX red cheery feels similar to rubber dome due to the similar light force requiered and the linear style. But I like much more the 6gv2 because the keys feels kind of metallic and much more solid and smooth.
However I might like to try a tactile keyboard in the future, do you think red and brown are similar?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 22:04:29
December 29 2012 15:36 GMT
#4683
@xSpartanCx: Blue (and brown) switches, to me, feel exactly as you describe it. Typing fast, I notice very little, and while gaming, I notice nothing. I suspect, it may still help the brain make less mistakes, and avoid mistyping compared to red and black switches.

There are "clear" switches, that have a more pronounced feel for the activation point compared to blue and brown. Keyboards with those are rare, the switches are heavier to press than black switches, so no one wants them.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 19:38:17
December 29 2012 19:34 GMT
#4684
On December 30 2012 00:15 xSpartanCx wrote:
Hello. My brother has the Blackwidow with blue switches, and it seems okay for typing, although it doesn't seem to have much tactile feel (although I've never felt another mechanical keyboard). When I type, it makes a nice sound, but I can't seem to feel a very definite click. Is this just the keyboard or are all blues supposed to be like that? Because if I press the key slowly I can feel a click, it's just not very noticeable when moving the key at a high speed.


The BW I tried had less tactile feedback compared to my Ducky Shine even though they are both blue type.

On December 30 2012 00:36 kaNt- wrote:
Hi guys I got a Steelseries 6gv2 with MX red switches 1 week and a half ago, I like it but linear feeling is kind of boring. Also, the MX red cheery feels similar to rubber dome due to the similar light force requiered and the linear style. But I like much more the 6gv2 because the keys feels kind of metallic and much more solid and smooth.
However I might like to try a tactile keyboard in the future, do you think red and brown are similar?


If you want a definite tactile keyboard, you'll want to get blues. Tactile feedback on brown is quite mild although it's not completely linear like reds and blacks.
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
December 29 2012 21:47 GMT
#4685
The BW mx blues are modified and are more easily pressed down than usual mx blues.

Also if you wanna go tactile. Go blues. Browns tactile feeling is neglible and only feel like mushy, unclean reds.
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 12:56:36
December 31 2012 12:27 GMT
#4686
so, i want to buy my 1st mechanical keyboard and im a bit lost. from all the research iv done i guess red or black switches would be best for me. can anyone recommend a keyboard around 100€ and available in EU? illuminated keys would be perfect, but arent a requirement

edit: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Qpad-Gaming-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B005DTFDQE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_h_b_cs_4

this seems nice, but it has blue switches
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ShaPeLesS
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria87 Posts
December 31 2012 13:19 GMT
#4687
On December 31 2012 21:27 Enox wrote:
so, i want to buy my 1st mechanical keyboard and im a bit lost. from all the research iv done i guess red or black switches would be best for me. can anyone recommend a keyboard around 100€ and available in EU? illuminated keys would be perfect, but arent a requirement

edit: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Qpad-Gaming-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B005DTFDQE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_h_b_cs_4

this seems nice, but it has blue switches


Check these out:
CM Storm Quick Fire Pro
CM Storm Trigger
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azngamer828
Profile Joined July 2008
United States137 Posts
December 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#4688
im thinking of getting a cherry mx brown but i dont really know alot about the companies that make brown switches

i was wondering if you guys could help me recommend other keyboards with brown switches :D i know its by preference but i can only wonder haha
the only ones i know that are brown are the zowie celeritas
i know duckys and filco are good because i read it here :p
my friend has a cooler master
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823129005
was wondering if you guys know anything about this maker
please and thanks :D
Pew Pew
DaCheF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
December 31 2012 17:31 GMT
#4689
On January 01 2013 01:49 azngamer828 wrote:
im thinking of getting a cherry mx brown but i dont really know alot about the companies that make brown switches

i was wondering if you guys could help me recommend other keyboards with brown switches :D i know its by preference but i can only wonder haha
the only ones i know that are brown are the zowie celeritas
i know duckys and filco are good because i read it here :p
my friend has a cooler master
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823129005
was wondering if you guys know anything about this maker
please and thanks :D


If a company makes mech keyboards they will most likely have a keyboard with brown switches. From what I heard the CM is a nice keyboard. If you want to save some money that isn't a bad choice, but if you want to spend a little more money I would either go for the Filco or Ducky. Ducky shine if you want a backlit keyboard or a Filco if you don't want a backlit. If you don't want a tenkeyless Das is also a great choice. The board is a little bit bigger and has a shinier coat vs a matte feel with the Ducky and Filco. I have a 2 Filco and 1 Ducky and love both of them, but a slight edge goes to the Filco.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 23:51:16
December 31 2012 17:33 GMT
#4690
On December 30 2012 06:47 derpface wrote:
The BW mx blues are modified and are more easily pressed down than usual mx blues.
...


This is false. If you're talking about tolerance, then Razer could be given keys with a lower manufacturing tolerance than others. That's not a modification. Razer doesn't produce or manage the switches.


On December 30 2012 04:34 Sein wrote:
The BW I tried had less tactile feedback compared to my Ducky Shine even though they are both blue type.
...


1. Bias
2. Quality control and tolerance on key cap weight, actuation, key cap fit
3. ABS versus PBT key caps
4. Plate versus PCB mounted
5. Angle of actuation

Hard to say exactly why it would feel different, but I find keys from different keyboards feel different sometimes anyways. Even keys from the same model of keyboards can feel different sometimes. It's the nature of product manufacturing, especially for keyboards.


On December 30 2012 00:36 Ropid wrote:...There are "clear" switches, that have a more pronounced feel for the activation point compared to blue and brown. Keyboards with those are rare, the switches are heavier to press than black switches, so no one wants them.


Clear switches feel like new rubber domes. They're nice, but hard to type with since they never break in. I would like a keyboard with them one day to experiment, but I didn't feel like I was missing anything when I tried it.
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Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
December 31 2012 20:26 GMT
#4691
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-keyboard-Noppoo-Mx-Red-International/dp/B00A2K20RO

Is this keyboard's build quality comparable to filcos ?
<3 bw
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 21:18:56
December 31 2012 21:13 GMT
#4692
On January 01 2013 05:26 Kpaxlol wrote:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-keyboard-Noppoo-Mx-Red-International/dp/B00A2K20RO

Is this keyboard's build quality comparable to filcos ?


Not so much. Equivalent to Leopold or rose will. Don't pay more than 120 for one.

For those considering clears, deck makes them available and deck is one of the most solid boards out there. Clears are a good recommendation for someone who is tired of blues or can't find a switch they like.
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Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
December 31 2012 21:37 GMT
#4693
On January 01 2013 06:13 slytown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 05:26 Kpaxlol wrote:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-keyboard-Noppoo-Mx-Red-International/dp/B00A2K20RO

Is this keyboard's build quality comparable to filcos ?


Not so much. Equivalent to Leopold or rose will. Don't pay more than 120 for one.

For those considering clears, deck makes them available and deck is one of the most solid boards out there. Clears are a good recommendation for someone who is tired of blues or can't find a switch they like.


Thx for the info ! I found one that cost 85~ USD. Hopefully it's worth it At least I think it is
<3 bw
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
December 31 2012 22:31 GMT
#4694
On January 01 2013 02:33 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 06:47 derpface wrote:
The BW mx blues are modified and are more easily pressed down than usual mx blues.
...


This is false. If you're talking about tolerance, then Razer could be given keys with a lower manufacturing tolerance than others. That's not a modification. Razer doesn't produce or manage the switches.





Well, the BW is stated as 50 g actuation force on their website, thats 5 g ligher than a "usual" mx blue switch.
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 23:55:11
December 31 2012 23:53 GMT
#4695
On January 01 2013 07:31 derpface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 02:33 Blisse wrote:
On December 30 2012 06:47 derpface wrote:
The BW mx blues are modified and are more easily pressed down than usual mx blues.
...


This is false. If you're talking about tolerance, then Razer could be given keys with a lower manufacturing tolerance than others. That's not a modification. Razer doesn't produce or manage the switches.



Well, the BW is stated as 50 g actuation force on their website, thats 5 g ligher than a "usual" mx blue switch.


Not sure of anything anymore because I'm reading conflicting accounts of MX Blue specifications from different sites, so I'll just use OCN's guide as a reference.


http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide#post_6009482


Cherry MX Blue Switches
...
Actuation Force: 50g (60g Peak Force) (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom


http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-blackwidow-2013/


With its optimized actuation force of 50g and a reduced actuation distance of 2 mm the Razer BlackWidow’s keys allow you to actuate your commands faster than on any other standard gaming keyboard.


So Razer's description seems to be fancy marketing, nothing modified.
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Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
January 02 2013 04:59 GMT
#4696
Just placed an order for the Filco Ninja Majestouch-2 Tenkeyless (Cherry MX Brown) to replace my MX Blue Filco which is starting to fail me (E button fails to register clicks about 5-10% of the time).

I've never touched a keyboard with browns before, but I wanted to get a keyboard that's a bit more silent this time around so it felt like the natural choice. How does the browns work in StarCraft 2 when compared to blue?
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Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 05:29:43
January 02 2013 05:28 GMT
#4697
From personal perspective? I think its easier on my hands when spamming hotkeys using browns compared to blues. Is it a significant difference? Not really. Although it's subjective, you can't say you can't play games without a mechanical keyboard. Almost any keyboard works fine for gaming. Just some are more comfortable than others. Quite simply you won't really notice much in my honest opinion.
Chylith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
January 02 2013 09:11 GMT
#4698
On January 02 2013 13:59 Firkraag8 wrote:
Just placed an order for the Filco Ninja Majestouch-2 Tenkeyless (Cherry MX Brown) to replace my MX Blue Filco which is starting to fail me (E button fails to register clicks about 5-10% of the time).

I've never touched a keyboard with browns before, but I wanted to get a keyboard that's a bit more silent this time around so it felt like the natural choice. How does the browns work in StarCraft 2 when compared to blue?

In my experiences browns feel no different than blues at all, really. My current board is a Majetouch-2 tenkeyless Filco with browns, should be the same as the one you're ordering except letters printed on top, rather than sides? ;p But anyways it "should" feel exactly the same as your old filco with blues. Except being somewhat more quiet. Browns are still kinda noisy imo.
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Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 09:42:32
January 02 2013 09:40 GMT
#4699
On January 02 2013 14:28 Sovano wrote:
From personal perspective? I think its easier on my hands when spamming hotkeys using browns compared to blues. Is it a significant difference? Not really. Although it's subjective, you can't say you can't play games without a mechanical keyboard. Almost any keyboard works fine for gaming. Just some are more comfortable than others. Quite simply you won't really notice much in my honest opinion.


On January 02 2013 18:11 Chylith wrote:
In my experiences browns feel no different than blues at all, really. My current board is a Majetouch-2 tenkeyless Filco with browns, should be the same as the one you're ordering except letters printed on top, rather than sides? ;p But anyways it "should" feel exactly the same as your old filco with blues. Except being somewhat more quiet. Browns are still kinda noisy imo.


Thanks, that's reassuring. I do love the blues and hearing that browns feel pretty much the same is nice to know.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
kaNt-
Profile Joined December 2012
163 Posts
January 02 2013 14:18 GMT
#4700
I used a Steelseries 6gv2 with MX red cherry for 2 weeks. In the future I wanna get another mech keyboard with different switches, I feel the MX red are kinda boring. The linear feeling is not as sexy as I thought. I wanna try a tactile keyboard, but I can´t decide which switch try, the blues or browns.
Blues are very noisy and can annoy people around me but some people claim that browns aren´t tactile or the tactile feeling is too weak.
So can somebody help me? :D
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