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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 04:48 GMT
#1
Hey guys, I think that my processor is dead. When I turn on my computer it lights up and the fans start going but then 3 seconds later it just shuts off. I have a liquid cooling system on the CPU but I traveled and changed mobo's / cases a bit when I moved to florida and back to canada, I think that the cooling paste dried out or went bad or something and I took really bad care of it and it overheated too much? I don't know. I have 2 PSU's and 2 motherboards and I have the same issues no matter which combination of them that I use. My comp specs are
750w corsair PSU
intel DP55WG motherboard http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DP55WG/DP55WG-overview.htm
gigabyte GA-P55A motherboard http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3439#ov
( like I said I have 2 motherboards, I tried installing both of them and I still had the same problem )
i7-875k processor
GTX 570 gfx card
I have 2 hdds that are on RAID, one of them is kinda messed up but they are working properly right now i'm 99% sure.
http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php/eco.html this is my liquid cooling system, I won it at a LAN about a year ago and have been using it, I think that it's working ok but I know absolutely NOTHING about these things :S

If my processor is indeed dead, what do you guys think that I should go for when buying a new one, will either motherboard support a i5-2500, I was thinking about getting that? I don't need an amazing processor I just want one that can stream SC2 :D

PLSSSS HELP ~_~
www.root-gaming.com
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 04:54:02
July 15 2011 04:52 GMT
#2
What do you mean it overheated too much? You're saying you know for 100% sure that it overheated way too much and you just kept running it?

Do you have access to another CPU possibly so you can try it out?

What do the LED/Beeps on your mobo show? Have you checked your mobo instruction manual to see if it's giving you another kind of error code?

Before you go buying another CPU, you should try to see if they are still under warranty. That way you don't have to pay for one if you don't have too.

Unless you're too lazy to any more troubleshooting / mess with it anymore. Then we can help suggest a new system.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 04:55:50
July 15 2011 04:53 GMT
#3
i won the processor / mobo so i don't think they are under warranty :D
I am really bad at computers, I don't know anything about cpus/overheating/cooling systems so I dno, a couple months ago it was shutting off after being on for a few minutes, i went and bought some thermal paste and cleaned the old stuff off and then it started working again. I'm guessing if its dead then its because i fucked it up by letting it overheat.
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
July 15 2011 04:54 GMT
#4
I would still try it anyway. It'll still have a serial number on it.

And please answer my other questions.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:01:49
July 15 2011 04:56 GMT
#5
Erm, 1156 socket, cant put a i5-2500 in there sorry, as they are 1155 socket

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671 600005864&IsNodeId=1&name=LGA 1156

here's a list of the CPU you can get that are compatible, or you can update motherboard+cpu and get a i5-2500, but it will cost more

edit : and btw, so bm of your cpu .. ^^
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 05:02 GMT
#6
umm theres a green light thats on it says " stby " next to it. the blue "hd led" light is flashing
a red light that says " PROCHOT CR2PR" is on now
and this thing next to the cpu / battery is alternating between the numbers 31 and 92
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storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
July 15 2011 05:03 GMT
#7
Drewbie try to make sure everything is inserted properly and that the motherboard is correctly screwed in. I had a problem exactly like this before and my computer would turn on for a couple of seconds and then shut off. When I screwed in one of the sockets on my motherboard I guess it shorted something out. So try taking the motherboard out and placing it outside of the case on like and then booting from there and see if it works like that .
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:09:53
July 15 2011 05:09 GMT
#8
Uh, I think that red light is saying Proc hot, as in Processor hot. Never dealt with this personally, but some places online indicate this issue is usually associated with heat/dead CPUs.

Do you know for sure you allowed it to overheat a good number of times? How do you know this?
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 05:11 GMT
#9
well it shut off and I the thermal paste on the cpu was all dry and old and useless, and when i put new thermal paste on it it started working again
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Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 15 2011 05:17 GMT
#10
Good cant wait to see your stream again :D

wouldve been sad if you couldnt have been able to do so anymore
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#11
no i mean in the past thats what i did, thats why i think that i killed it by overheating, i tried that now and nothing happened
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Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:25:46
July 15 2011 05:24 GMT
#12
Oh damn
well try what storm said and if it doesnt work your going to need a cpu and maybe a mobo too if you wanna get sandy bridge

hope it works :/

edit : also is it very hot where you are at the moment ? as the cpu temp will vary with the ambiant temp, so if its like over 100° ...
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
July 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#13
If you've tried multiple setups it's probably toast, time to grab a new one.

I wouldn't bother trying to narrow it down further unless you have friends that don't mind you swapping their proc in your gear, but even then it's probably toast and a waste of time/potential damage to their stuff.
Live hard, live free.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:38:21
July 15 2011 05:32 GMT
#14
Yeah, if you've allowed it to overheat that much before, and just kept ignoring it, it's probably toast.

If you have access to another CPU like yours try it and see if everything works. I'm pretty sure your CPU is dead. Use another CPU of the same socket as yours (1156). The link Rachnar put lists what different type of CPUs are 1156.

If you can't get access to one, RMA it and tell Intel you have tried two different PSUs and Motherboards. I have a feeling they will honor it unless you tell them you overclocked it a ridiculous amount using the stock heatsink or if you won it through some really shady or illegal contest.

Speaking of which, why did it overheat that bad that many times and where did you win it...?



You can't get any of the new Sandy Bridge processors since they're on a different socket. If you don't want to get a new motherboard, you can replace it with an i5-650 or i5-750. Even going with an i5-750, it'd make sense to just get an i5 2300/H61 for around the same price. Or higher than that if you need more power. I'm assuming since you fried an 875k your power requirements were hefty? For streaming, a 2500k would be nice, but that'd be an investment requiring a $220ish CPU and $110ish+ Mobo.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 05:37 GMT
#15
well I moved it from canada to florida in a suitcase, and put it in a new comp there and didnt put new thermal paste on, it got all dried out
i won it at a LAN in vancouver : )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115067
is this processor as good as the i5-2500 ? they are the same price ;O
www.root-gaming.com
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
July 15 2011 05:41 GMT
#16
If I'm understanding correctly, you removed the CPU from the motherboard in Canada, put it in your suitcase, and put it in a new computer in Florida without putting new thermal paste?

Yeah, that's a problem.

No, the i5-2500 is better. Here is the i5-760 vs even the i5-2400.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=363
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:46:46
July 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#17
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/26

the i5-2400 beats it very clearly but, if you cant put more money in it it's your best bet i'd say

edit : my links lead to video encodage and starcraft 2 comparatives, basicly what youd want it most for i guess

you can see the difference there between a lot of cpu's
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:51:26
July 15 2011 05:49 GMT
#18
Hmm.. Generally speaking, assuming the heatsink is even touching the CPU surface slightly, the CPU should throttle, not burn out as some heat will be conducted away. Was it throttling at all before it died? As in when you played, during late game would it suddenly lag without a mothership or something that would result for sure in lag? Also, how did the thermal paste feel. Was it like a thick syrup or was it crumbly like dried toothpaste?

One other thing I would try is taking off the CPU and looking at the pads underneath the CPU for damage/burn marks. I remember one of the problems with 1156 was that socket burnouts could occur with some overclocking and I'm not too sure how that turned out. If there's charred pads/some carbon residue, the processor's dead for sure.

Neither of the boards (They're both socket 1156) would support a 2500, (socket 1155)

As for an upgrade, I'm going to assume every part of your computer works and all you need is a motherboard to run 1155.

Looking at prices, there's literally no incentive to buy a 1156 processor since it'd be slower unless you want to blow more than it'd cost for socket 1155 CPU + motherboard

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=62550&vpn=2500K & P67A-C43&manufacture=Bundle Deals&promoid=1337

$320 ($310 after MIR)
A bundle that's on sale for a bit. It supports overclocking if you want to try it in the future (2500k+P67 mobo)

If you aren't planning on ever overclocking

2500 - $210
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57963&vpn=BX80623I52500&manufacture=Intel
Motherboard - $60 (50 after MIR)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59106&vpn=H61M-P21 (B3)&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

for a total of $270($260 after MIR)

Edit:: The second option is only really if you have 2 RAM sticks inside your current computer. If it has 4 sticks you'll want the bundle.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 15 2011 05:53 GMT
#19
coupe of good deals if your in the us right now and not canada

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660241

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.675358

first is i5-2500k at 330$ with a p67

other one is at 420$ with a i7-2600k and a very decent mobo

you will be able to overclock if you need to, i would invest in a good cpu fan too if you dont have one, it'll save you the trouble about having to buy another one soon^^
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 05:55 GMT
#20
i have 4 sticks of 2mb lol T_T that 310 sounds like a good deal though
www.root-gaming.com
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 15 2011 06:02 GMT
#21
it is, and go for it if you must i want you streaming again !! (but no bm again about zelots/archontes even though i secretly agree its kinda really annoying as terran !) ^^
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Dakk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden572 Posts
July 15 2011 06:12 GMT
#22
My first thought was the Power Supply Unit, but since you got two, i'm sure atleast one of them are working.

Check to see if you can get your hands on a processor of the socket, and then see if that works. If it does, it's your CPU.
I will not fear, Fear is the mindkiller. Fear is the little death.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 15 2011 06:14 GMT
#23
i dont have another processor to test : (
www.root-gaming.com
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 07:05:12
July 15 2011 07:04 GMT
#24
The only other possibility I can think of is the pump in the coolit system is dead and the system doesn't have enough thermal mass to keep the CPU cool for a longer than 3 seconds? If you have the stock heatsink around, put it on and see if it'll boot?

Beyond that I think you're stuck getting a new CPU+mobo combo =/
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 07:44:10
July 15 2011 07:40 GMT
#25
If you're not going to overclock your processor you might as well save money and go with the i5-2400. Not a huge difference but it'll save you ~$15-20 or so.

They have Fry's in Canada right? They're new ad comes out today (new one every week or two), see if anything is uber cheap. They just had the i5-2400 for $149 for a while, no rebate necessary. They've already done the i7-2600k and i5-2500k's but you never know. Or you could find a cheap mobo maybe.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1482 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 08:52:22
July 15 2011 07:50 GMT
#26
Drewbie, sounds more like your cooling has failed, and the mobo shuts down your computer when the cpu overheats.

You could open the case, and just take a look at if the cpu cooler seems to be slightly loose.
Also, it could be a PSU issue. Its typical for pcs to shut down if the power delivery is somehow not in line for the components. Did this happen after an overclock fail or after the lights went out at your home?

Catspaw.

p.s you said u applied a new thermal paste. Did u reaserch how you have to put that thermal paste? i mean, very thin layer, like ultra thin. Some ppl aplly 2 much of it, making it a problem rather than a help.

even if your processor would be dead, i dont think it would shut down your pc. Most likely mobo is protecting the cpu from overheating (killing a cpu from overheating is actually dificult to do, even if you try it, but if you are positive you have killed it, you might try to repair it in the oven, baking it for 6 minutes a 200 ºC. Some ppl do that with their GPUs).

However, if possible, check other things first, and answer the questions so we might help better.

If possible, give a full information about your system.
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