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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
I know most of you are going to go w/ the new 2nd generation sandy bridge because its better for sc2 and gaming, but I would also like to know other reasons(if there is) why i3-2100 is better than the p955 or vice versa. And if someone can explain what hyper threading is :D, I googled it but the sites make it more complicated as for I am not a computer nerd. edit: would like to mention I am only debating on these 2 cpu's.. currently on a budget don't say to save up for the i5-2500 or w/e | ||
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Tleaf
Canada181 Posts
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overclock-athlon-ii-x3,2811.html $500 usd But, reading this will help  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overclocking-processor-recommendation,2866.html it's about cpu's and how go they are vs price and bench marked using various games including sc2 i can't really help you more than that | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Hyperthreading is using some of the parallel resources within a core that aren't being used for one thread to work on another thread. So putting four threads on only two cores, but not as good as four individual cores. The Phenom does have more real cores though so on tasks that can take advantage of 4 cores fully it should be faster. Unfortunately most games use only 2-3 cores well. You might want to wait until Bulldozer/Llano when AMD becomes competitive again? For gaming you'll find GPU choice much more important than CPU - what have you got for that? | ||
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TriZen
England219 Posts
As Soleron said, the most important choice that you're going to have to make is GPU, as long as your CPU doesn't bottleneck (limit) it then it is good enough. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
Thank you for your advice and input. My dad is helping me pay my low budget pc so I am just debating on those 2 processors. As for bulldozer/llano, aren't those processors going to cost quite a bit? and from what i've read on tomshardware bulldozer/llano release date is june/july For my GPU, I was thinking the radeon 6850/70, please don't recommend nvidia gtx 460, i read a lot of reviews between the gtx 460 and/vs radeon 6850, leaning towards the 6850 more atm. edit: will change my mind picking the gtx 460 over the radeon 6850 if someone can explain the differences between the 2 and such. | ||
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Greek820
Canada210 Posts
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Freezard
Sweden1019 Posts
Radeon 6850 or GTX 460 doesn't really matter - it's about personal preference. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-8.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20 http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/6 | ||
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naim
41 Posts
May sound weird but could be an option and enough to play sc2. If you do so, make sure you use one with a "K" since they have the better HD 3000 onboard graphics. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
What do you mean buying better components? and from what I've read the onboard chip isn't really that great.... I don't get what you're trying to say and imply | ||
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Greek820
Canada210 Posts
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Wakizashi
Finland6 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
don't really care about bulldozer/llano as I see them being pretty pricey | ||
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Wakizashi
Finland6 Posts
EDIT: And if u want to be a nerd baller go for Phenom II 1090T Its price has dropped quite a bit and it challenges plenty of those Intel CPU's head on. (its around 200€ where I'm from) | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On March 25 2011 13:34 iloveroo wrote: Yeah I was planning on maybe getting the i5-2500k probably sometime in the summer don't really care about bulldozer/llano as I see them being pretty pricey If you're not building until summer then hold off on processor choice until then. If you want to buy now then buy now. 6850 is a good choice. Bulldozer/Llano will likely be cheaper than the equivalent Intel products; AMD often are. Where did you read that BD/Llano would be expensive? | ||
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naim
41 Posts
On March 25 2011 10:47 iloveroo wrote: @naim What do you mean buying better components? and from what I've read the onboard chip isn't really that great.... I don't get what you're trying to say and imply Erm...say a gf gtx 460 is 160$. an i5-2500k is ~100$ more than the i3, take it and you sill have 60$ left. The onboard chip isn't that good, true. Picking all components and then upgrading soon makes no sense either. I dont know your budget and what components you choose, it was just an idea of what i would do. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On March 25 2011 21:23 naim wrote: Erm...say a gf gtx 460 is 160$. an i5-2500k is ~100$ more than the i3, take it and you sill have 60$ left. The onboard chip isn't that good, true. Picking all components and then upgrading soon makes no sense either. I dont know your budget and what components you choose, it was just an idea of what i would do. ... wth, youre still not making any sense.. the i5 is $100 more than the i3, thats more than my budget How do I still have $60 left? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On March 25 2011 13:34 iloveroo wrote: Yeah I was planning on maybe getting the i5-2500k probably sometime in the summer don't really care about bulldozer/llano as I see them being pretty pricey if you want a -k cpu to overclock, you need to buy a P67 board which will cost much more than the budget H-series. | ||
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Greek820
Canada210 Posts
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naim
41 Posts
On March 26 2011 02:16 iloveroo wrote: ... wth, youre still not making any sense.. the i5 is $100 more than the i3, thats more than my budget How do I still have $60 left? because you obviously don't read what people post. Here is the quintessence: Don't buy a dedicated graphics card now, use the onboard GPU of a better sandy CPU and upgrade later. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Don't buy a dedicated graphics card now, use the onboard GPU of a better sandy CPU and upgrade later. Not if he plans to play any game more recent than Starcraft 1. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On March 26 2011 08:41 Soleron wrote: Not if he plans to play any game more recent than Starcraft 1. Yeah I wasn't gonna do what he said anyways don't feel like playing starcraft 2 in low settings. And starcraft 2 isn't the only game im going to play, wow and d3 when it comes out. | ||
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naim
41 Posts
On March 26 2011 08:41 Soleron wrote: Not if he plans to play any game more recent than Starcraft 1. Ever even took a glimpse at benchmarks? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-8.html I thought he wanted a smart way to get a decent, upgradeable and cheap system to play. A few babysit jobs and in a few weeks/months a dedicated GPU completes the system. | ||
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Yung
United States727 Posts
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On March 26 2011 09:52 naim wrote: Ever even took a glimpse at benchmarks? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-8.html I thought he wanted a smart way to get a decent, upgradeable and cheap system to play. A few babysit jobs and in a few weeks/months a dedicated GPU completes the system. How reliable is the onboard gpu on the 2nd gen's? Is it as good at 5770? or worst? Tbh, I don't feel like getting the i5-2500k with bad graphics over an i3-2100 that i can easily upgrade within a couple months with good dedicated graphics | ||
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gimmeateeshitkent
Australia80 Posts
sandy bridge would be better for games but the phenom will still net you 60fps on most games with a solid graphics card i think, you dont need anymore than that. as for the graphics card, they both perform pretty similar so id go with the 6850 because it uses less power under load, so you can save money on a power supply  | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On March 26 2011 10:43 iloveroo wrote: How reliable is the onboard gpu on the 2nd gen's? Is it as good at 5770? or worst? Tbh, I don't feel like getting the i5-2500k with bad graphics over an i3-2100 that i can easily upgrade within a couple months with good dedicated graphics Onboard graphics for i5-2500k is the Intel HD Graphics 3000; the non-k processors get the HD Graphics 2000 which has half the execution units. Anyway, the Intel HD 3000 is a little faster than the Radeon HD 5450, which is itself roughly a tenth as powerful as a HD 5770. It can probably crank out SC2 on low but not really any more. Application and game compatibility with Intel integrated graphics is better than it used to be, but it's not like an AMD or Nvidia GPU. | ||
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naim
41 Posts
On March 26 2011 10:43 iloveroo wrote: How reliable is the onboard gpu on the 2nd gen's? Is it as good at 5770? or worst? Tbh, I don't feel like getting the i5-2500k with bad graphics over an i3-2100 that i can easily upgrade within a couple months with good dedicated graphics i don't want to convince you to anything, do whatever you like. I can only tell for my first own pc i choose an AMD Duron 800 + GF2MX over an Athlon...2 months later i regret that since the shitty cheap duron couldn't handle decoding a DVB-S stream from a brand new internal dvb card i just bought. -.- From this time on I tend to plan forwards and get well rounded components...or none. You are talking about a 5770...do you already have one? What are the other components you are going to buy? | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
I thank you for trying to help me, i really do. And no I don't have 5770, I was just asking if the i5-2500k onboard gpu was just as good as the 5770, but I doubt it is, i might be wrong but who knows. mobo; http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7343083&Sku=A455-3037 gpu; probably radeon 6850 1gb ram; 4gb dual channel DDR3 psu; was gonna go for ultra 650w (my brother built his own computer, he told me I need more than 500w for gaming and to get ultra because of its lifetime warrenty if i register it.) hdd; was thinking WD 500gb 7200 dvd; not gonna link it, cause it doesn't really matter. planning on getting the cheapest one i could get Would link all of them but im pretty lazy rofl. now for the cpu, im probably leaning towards the i3-2100 | ||
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gimmeateeshitkent
Australia80 Posts
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Greenx
69 Posts
he isnt going to upg it to a 2500k he just wants to know the dif between the 2... | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
edit: HD 6850 just needs single 6-pin PCI-E power connector. Overclock it and stress test it, and you'll struggle to pull anything like 150W from that. Also, as mentioned multiple times before, many Ultra PSUs are pretty bad. At one point, the LSP750 sold was the same platform and similar to the Ultra X2 750W. They like to switch manufacturers and relabel different things as the same thing. Some units under the label are pretty good, but the LSP units don't get sent out to reviewers since they're the lower-end line I think. | ||
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gimmeateeshitkent
Australia80 Posts
On March 26 2011 12:07 Myrmidon wrote: Those parts don't top 250W at full synthetic load, honestly, as a very conservative estimate. Even if you upgrade your CPU (but stick with socket 1155), overclock the CPU, upgrade to a top-end single GPU like a GTX 580 and overclock that some, you won't be using more than 500W. edit: HD 6850 just needs single 6-pin PCI-E power connector. Overclock it and stress test it, and you'll struggle to pull anything like 150W from that. Also, as mentioned multiple times before, many Ultra PSUs are pretty bad. At one point, the LSP750 sold was the same platform and similar to the Ultra X2 750W. They like to switch manufacturers and relabel different things as the same thing. Some units under the label are pretty good, but the LSP units don't get sent out to reviewers since they're the lower-end line I think. just one 6pin, my bad | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On March 25 2011 09:00 bflip wrote: i'd get the 2100, better architecture then 955, overall better processor shown in benchmarks, also leaves you to upgrade where as am3 is soon to be at the end of its day, 6850 is a great card btw, as u see i have it lol, andi m at 1920x1080 Am3 being the end of its day ? If you talk about the hexacore or whatever then sure, but am3 still have a LONG way to live... I bought an AM3 card 1 year ago on purpose because i was about to upgrade to phenom2 x6 later and let my comp run for probably 5 or 6 years. On March 26 2011 03:59 naim wrote: because you obviously don't read what people post. Here is the quintessence: Don't buy a dedicated graphics card now, use the onboard GPU of a better sandy CPU and upgrade later. He's not necessarily wrong since the current graphics cards haven't improved a lot lately. I mean the 6750/6770 are just rename of the 5750/5770 except maybe 10% more performance (and still doesn't apply on every games). Dunno about the 6850/6870 though. If you have a low budget like me, but want to upgrade it later then there's nothing wrong to get a cheap cpu+gpu with a very good motherboard. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
With all the parts I listed, this will bring it to a total of $800ish this does not include tax and also with the parts I picked I wouldn't have to upgrade for awhile only a couple of the parts I would have to, but that is going to be optional. edit; the only reason why its costing $800 is because of 23or24" monitor thats included in the price | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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naim
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