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Vigilant3
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland24 Posts
June 16 2011 19:49 GMT
#301
Idra now uses a Steelseries SP, he said it with an interview with AskJoshy recently

I sleep all day and game all night!
landmarktiger
Profile Joined April 2011
226 Posts
June 16 2011 19:59 GMT
#302
im pretty sure tyler said in one of his recent streaming sessions that he upgraded to a filco mechanical keyboard
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 19:32:13
June 19 2011 15:22 GMT
#303
[image loading] IEM 2011
[image loading] Dreamhack Summer 2011
From these two pictures, I am 99% sure that atn.Socke uses the Cherry G80 mechanical keyboard. The big space between the number keys and the F-keys as well as the plastic length from the F-keys upwards is very characteristic of the G80. However you cannot really know what type of switches is inside his keyboard.
Auu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States9 Posts
June 21 2011 05:02 GMT
#304
On May 27 2011 20:33 ryan1894 wrote:
If you were truly an FPS hardcore gamer wouldn't you be worried about:

1) G9x's high LOD.

What's wrong with a high level of detail? That's the whole point of buying a good mouse instead of a shitty low dpi mouse. You can always reduce the sensitivity with software. You cannot increase it with software without causing terrible aliasing.

2) G9x's non-centred sensor?


Whether it's centered or not is relative to your hand and your joints, not relative to the shape of the mouse. And it only matters if you're twisting it instead of translating it. It causes no problem whatsoever.


3) G15 is an extremely bad keyboard. I had a G15v2, and even compared to this cheaper Sidewinder X6 that actually does have keyblocks - X6 has a proper volume knob, media keys that dont take 80g of force to depress and has much better key feel.


I don't use keyboard volume knobs or media keys anyway. Those are bloatware.


4) 1000Hz vs 125Hz is not that much of a difference. Its 1ms (theoretically) to 8ms (theoretically) but you have to take into account Keyboard Lag (8ms) + CPU Lag (20ms) + GPU Time (15ms at 60FPS) + Frame Transmission (16.67ms) + Double Buffering Lag (14.67ms) + LCD Response Time (12ms). Relatively, 7ms difference on 1000Hz vs 125Hz is absolutely nothing, especially when 1000Hz increases CPU load unnecessarily.*


5ms ping vs. 40ms ping is extremely obvious in any FPS game. Keyboard interrupts are only generated when you actually press a key, so the CPU load problem is nonexistent. You're pulling numbers out of your ass and double-counting multiple categories.


5) I'm pretty sure RSI has nothing to do with High DPI/Sensitivity, in fact it would be more believable if Low Sensitivity DECREASED chance of RSI because with High DPI, less physical movement for more cursor movement, making even large differences in cursor movement be extremely small physical movements, making each movement extremely similar to each other. With low sensitivity, one uses the arm and shoulder to control aim, while also reducing the side effect of jittery hands, making each movement have a larger relative difference to each other, reducing the "repetitiveness" of each action, reducing RSI.


The middle word of RSI is 'stress'. You're not stressing muscles or nerves by making tiny light movements. Almost no one gets RSI from mousing, anyway. It's almost always from the keyboard. I never made the claim that the mouse was relevant to RSI.


6) All PS/2 Keyboards are NKRO. Its not very hard to find a NKRO keyboard, and since I explained earlier that 1000Hz makes pretty much zero difference.

False. A lot of PS/2 keyboards are not NKRO. NKRO requires changes to the internal wiring of the keyboard. Having a certain interface to the PC does not magically give it NKRO.



7) You probably played an FPS game that requires zero aiming skill to play. e.g. CoD6/5/4 or Battlefield 2/2142/BC2
All professional/good Quake, CS1.6 players use low sensitivity, because they are games where aim is rewarded heavily, and thus needed. CoD4 is just MP5 + left click = airstrike.
I was a heavy FPS player before SC2 (CoD4/6, CS:S etc), but seriously, all FPS games require no skill apart from some old school FPS like Quake/CS1.6...


I play CS and TF2. And "X game requires no skill" is always a shitty excuse from people who suck at it.
Auu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States9 Posts
June 21 2011 05:24 GMT
#305
On April 03 2011 11:19 Goodseed wrote:
I've tried to download the setpoint for my g9x but it always say that its not connected. Every other mouse I had, deathadder and MX518 worked on their software. I use windows7 64bit and I tried pluggin the cord into different port for my g9x but it always say that it's not connected and I'm not able to customize anything =[



All software that comes with mice is useless at best. Don't install it. Software can't improve the accuracy of a mouse -- it can only fuck it up.
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 22:44:26
June 21 2011 06:27 GMT
#306
Both July & Bomber were using the zowie mico at dreamhack. TL tweeted a pic of moon and it looks like hes using a logitech G1/G3 and not the razer krait.

MC was using his black qsenn dt-35 keyboard at dreamhack. I also saw him using this while I was at MLG Columbus and never seen him with a Topre Realforce keyboard.
aussie_alexandre
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia17 Posts
June 25 2011 14:44 GMT
#307
Dignitas Naniwa uses the razer lycosa, the razer deathadder lefthanded and the razer iron clad.
and he also use a mouse bungee
Maru l Creator l ToD l Grubby l MKP l ByuN l Leenock l HerO l MaNa l SaSe l SeleCT l
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
June 25 2011 15:36 GMT
#308
On June 21 2011 14:02 Auu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 20:33 ryan1894 wrote:
If you were truly an FPS hardcore gamer wouldn't you be worried about:

1) G9x's high LOD.

What's wrong with a high level of detail? That's the whole point of buying a good mouse instead of a shitty low dpi mouse. You can always reduce the sensitivity with software. You cannot increase it with software without causing terrible aliasing.


I believe he was referring to high lift-off distance...
Aiyeeeee
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 25 2011 15:38 GMT
#309
On June 21 2011 14:02 Auu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 20:33 ryan1894 wrote:
If you were truly an FPS hardcore gamer wouldn't you be worried about:

1) G9x's high LOD.

What's wrong with a high level of detail? That's the whole point of buying a good mouse instead of a shitty low dpi mouse. You can always reduce the sensitivity with software. You cannot increase it with software without causing terrible aliasing.
Show nested quote +

2) G9x's non-centred sensor?


Whether it's centered or not is relative to your hand and your joints, not relative to the shape of the mouse. And it only matters if you're twisting it instead of translating it. It causes no problem whatsoever.

Show nested quote +

3) G15 is an extremely bad keyboard. I had a G15v2, and even compared to this cheaper Sidewinder X6 that actually does have keyblocks - X6 has a proper volume knob, media keys that dont take 80g of force to depress and has much better key feel.


I don't use keyboard volume knobs or media keys anyway. Those are bloatware.

Show nested quote +

4) 1000Hz vs 125Hz is not that much of a difference. Its 1ms (theoretically) to 8ms (theoretically) but you have to take into account Keyboard Lag (8ms) + CPU Lag (20ms) + GPU Time (15ms at 60FPS) + Frame Transmission (16.67ms) + Double Buffering Lag (14.67ms) + LCD Response Time (12ms). Relatively, 7ms difference on 1000Hz vs 125Hz is absolutely nothing, especially when 1000Hz increases CPU load unnecessarily.*


5ms ping vs. 40ms ping is extremely obvious in any FPS game. Keyboard interrupts are only generated when you actually press a key, so the CPU load problem is nonexistent. You're pulling numbers out of your ass and double-counting multiple categories.

Show nested quote +

5) I'm pretty sure RSI has nothing to do with High DPI/Sensitivity, in fact it would be more believable if Low Sensitivity DECREASED chance of RSI because with High DPI, less physical movement for more cursor movement, making even large differences in cursor movement be extremely small physical movements, making each movement extremely similar to each other. With low sensitivity, one uses the arm and shoulder to control aim, while also reducing the side effect of jittery hands, making each movement have a larger relative difference to each other, reducing the "repetitiveness" of each action, reducing RSI.


The middle word of RSI is 'stress'. You're not stressing muscles or nerves by making tiny light movements. Almost no one gets RSI from mousing, anyway. It's almost always from the keyboard. I never made the claim that the mouse was relevant to RSI.

Show nested quote +

6) All PS/2 Keyboards are NKRO. Its not very hard to find a NKRO keyboard, and since I explained earlier that 1000Hz makes pretty much zero difference.

False. A lot of PS/2 keyboards are not NKRO. NKRO requires changes to the internal wiring of the keyboard. Having a certain interface to the PC does not magically give it NKRO.


Show nested quote +

7) You probably played an FPS game that requires zero aiming skill to play. e.g. CoD6/5/4 or Battlefield 2/2142/BC2
All professional/good Quake, CS1.6 players use low sensitivity, because they are games where aim is rewarded heavily, and thus needed. CoD4 is just MP5 + left click = airstrike.
I was a heavy FPS player before SC2 (CoD4/6, CS:S etc), but seriously, all FPS games require no skill apart from some old school FPS like Quake/CS1.6...


I play CS and TF2. And "X game requires no skill" is always a shitty excuse from people who suck at it.

Only for PS/2 keyboards. USB keyboards are polled.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
MontereyJack
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 18:19:28
June 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#310
im watching homestory cup right now and im fairly certain huk has a razer abyssus
[image loading]
LilBuck
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 27 2011 21:29 GMT
#311
On June 06 2011 02:09 CampinSam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 10:40 ginywiny wrote:
On May 29 2011 23:48 CampinSam wrote:
On May 29 2011 14:45 ginywiny wrote:
wat about artosis?


Artosis uses a Salmosa (or an Abyssus, can't remember exactly which) and a High-end Korean Mechanical keyboard, that he has yet to tell us the name of.


i thought he used a qsenn dt 35


He used to.

I think he said Hwani (probably butchering that name) give the Mechanical keyboard to him, and he's been using it ever since. you can hear it on his stream.



I could be wrong because it was a while ago, but I am fairly certain that he said during a GSL cast that he was using a Tesoro (some Korean brand, which is a rebranded xarmor I believe) which has MX Blue switches
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
June 27 2011 21:51 GMT
#312
On June 27 2011 02:47 MontereyJack wrote:
im watching homestory cup right now and im fairly certain huk has a razer abyssus
[image loading]


looks like an abyssus or a salmosa
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
June 27 2011 22:43 GMT
#313
On June 28 2011 06:51 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 02:47 MontereyJack wrote:
im watching homestory cup right now and im fairly certain huk has a razer abyssus
[image loading]


looks like an abyssus or a salmosa


You can see a bit of the backlight behind the mouse. The salmosa doesn't have any lighting whatsoever so it's the abyssus
Aiyeeeee
ryan1894
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia264 Posts
June 30 2011 07:00 GMT
#314
On June 21 2011 14:02 Auu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 20:33 ryan1894 wrote:
If you were truly an FPS hardcore gamer wouldn't you be worried about:

1) G9x's high LOD.

What's wrong with a high level of detail? That's the whole point of buying a good mouse instead of a shitty low dpi mouse. You can always reduce the sensitivity with software. You cannot increase it with software without causing terrible aliasing.
Show nested quote +

2) G9x's non-centred sensor?


Whether it's centered or not is relative to your hand and your joints, not relative to the shape of the mouse. And it only matters if you're twisting it instead of translating it. It causes no problem whatsoever.

Show nested quote +

3) G15 is an extremely bad keyboard. I had a G15v2, and even compared to this cheaper Sidewinder X6 that actually does have keyblocks - X6 has a proper volume knob, media keys that dont take 80g of force to depress and has much better key feel.


I don't use keyboard volume knobs or media keys anyway. Those are bloatware.

Show nested quote +

4) 1000Hz vs 125Hz is not that much of a difference. Its 1ms (theoretically) to 8ms (theoretically) but you have to take into account Keyboard Lag (8ms) + CPU Lag (20ms) + GPU Time (15ms at 60FPS) + Frame Transmission (16.67ms) + Double Buffering Lag (14.67ms) + LCD Response Time (12ms). Relatively, 7ms difference on 1000Hz vs 125Hz is absolutely nothing, especially when 1000Hz increases CPU load unnecessarily.*


5ms ping vs. 40ms ping is extremely obvious in any FPS game. Keyboard interrupts are only generated when you actually press a key, so the CPU load problem is nonexistent. You're pulling numbers out of your ass and double-counting multiple categories.

Show nested quote +

5) I'm pretty sure RSI has nothing to do with High DPI/Sensitivity, in fact it would be more believable if Low Sensitivity DECREASED chance of RSI because with High DPI, less physical movement for more cursor movement, making even large differences in cursor movement be extremely small physical movements, making each movement extremely similar to each other. With low sensitivity, one uses the arm and shoulder to control aim, while also reducing the side effect of jittery hands, making each movement have a larger relative difference to each other, reducing the "repetitiveness" of each action, reducing RSI.


The middle word of RSI is 'stress'. You're not stressing muscles or nerves by making tiny light movements. Almost no one gets RSI from mousing, anyway. It's almost always from the keyboard. I never made the claim that the mouse was relevant to RSI.

Show nested quote +

6) All PS/2 Keyboards are NKRO. Its not very hard to find a NKRO keyboard, and since I explained earlier that 1000Hz makes pretty much zero difference.

False. A lot of PS/2 keyboards are not NKRO. NKRO requires changes to the internal wiring of the keyboard. Having a certain interface to the PC does not magically give it NKRO.


Show nested quote +

7) You probably played an FPS game that requires zero aiming skill to play. e.g. CoD6/5/4 or Battlefield 2/2142/BC2
All professional/good Quake, CS1.6 players use low sensitivity, because they are games where aim is rewarded heavily, and thus needed. CoD4 is just MP5 + left click = airstrike.
I was a heavy FPS player before SC2 (CoD4/6, CS:S etc), but seriously, all FPS games require no skill apart from some old school FPS like Quake/CS1.6...


I play CS and TF2. And "X game requires no skill" is always a shitty excuse from people who suck at it.


1) LOD = Lift off distance. I'm guessing you just googled "LOD"

2) I fingertip grip my mouse, like many RTS players. A centred sensor is very important. My G9x's sensor is ridiculously offset to the left

3) I recently got a Filco Majestouch Ninja Tenkeyless with MX Browns. Awesome

4) I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to react to something under 35ms. Also only PS/2 keyboards send hardware interrupts. Most USB keyboards are polled at 125Hz. Also the difference between 1000Hz and 125Hz is not 5ms vs 40ms. It is 1ms vs 8ms. You'd be lying if you said you could notice a 7ms difference without equipment.

5) Most people tense up their wrist/fingers when performing ridiculously small movements. When using large swiping movements, you use the muscles of your army and shoulder, compared to the wrist and fingers. Does RSI exist in the upper arm and shoulder?

6) USB limits it to 6 keys + 2 modifiers. I'm pretty sure MOST popular keyboards that use PS/2 interface are better than that.

7) I'm sure SC/SC2 takes much more speed than FPS ever will. I've played a multitude of games before SC2, and I can tell you that SC2 is the most mechanically challenging of them all. No I didn't play Brood War.
Zethiel
Profile Joined September 2010
Bolivia39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 05:27:25
July 02 2011 05:21 GMT
#315
I think in order to know what really is good in life, you have to try a mechanical keyboard with mx switches, and if you want to know what typing on clouds means, try a red switched keyboard, preferentially a FILCO

I chatted with Haypro while HuK was streaming, he was kind enouth to let me know that HuK, Ret, Nazgul and himself were trying and using the Abyssuss, but didnt mention anything about Jinro. Also he let me know his personal dpi configuration which was important to me at that time
Si no duele, no sirve - Esteban Zenteno
Repairabear
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom7 Posts
July 02 2011 14:01 GMT
#316
desrow isnt my favourite pro but he is very good.
He uses the Ttesports azurues
and the meka g1 keyboard

HOPE THIS HELPS
Bourne
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom152 Posts
July 02 2011 14:23 GMT
#317
Destiny uses:
Mouse
– Logitech G9
Keyboard
– Das Keyboard Ultimate
Not sure about mouse mat but i didnt think he has been mentioned so far.
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
July 02 2011 14:56 GMT
#318
Does anyone know what Jaedong uses?
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
July 06 2011 19:14 GMT
#319
On July 02 2011 23:56 SkimGuy wrote:
Does anyone know what Jaedong uses?

Logitech Mini Optical (400 dpi), Qsenn DT35 and standard KeSPA mousepad iirc.
sad312
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada56 Posts
July 16 2011 00:28 GMT
#320
Does white ra actually use the meka ? Also according to kawaii rice the Meka force for pressing keys are actually a lot less than the steelseries keyboards.

This is all found on the amazon site and theres a review by kawaiirice.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Mechanical-Professional-Keyboard-KB-MEG005US/dp/B004HPTHE4/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
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