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Rachnar

France1526 Posts

January 11 2012 08:03 GMT

#17501

it's this model : http://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_micro_puis_rubrique_est_w_ali_puis_ref_est_in10052914.html

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

January 11 2012 08:10 GMT

#17502

Yeah it says Pure Power but Be Quiet! doesn't seem to have a 400W Pure Power. The only 400W 80 plus gold units they have are Straight Power E9-400W and Efficient Power F1-400W.

Aside from the fan grille color, it looks like this (the Efficient Power):
http://www.be-quiet.net/be-quiet.net/index.php?StoryID=17&ProductID=241

Anyway, if indeed they released a 400W Pure Power, it would probably be FSP Aurum if it's 80 plus gold.

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

January 11 2012 08:17 GMT

#17503

yeah the efficient 350w is at 50 euros, is it good?

edit : i mean, good price? and will it be fine for a gtx560ti? (even though i'm like 99.9% sure it is... still asking^^)

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

January 11 2012 08:33 GMT

#17504

I mean the product you linked, which is labeled as Pure Power, is incorrectly labeled and is actually the Efficient Power. Actually note that it lists the BQT-F1-400W product code. Pure Power should be L7-xxx or L8-xxx.

Alimentation Be Quiet Pure Power, 400W
Certifiée 80+ Gold (Ref BE QUIET: BQT-F1-400W)

The 400W should be plenty, unless the rest of the system includes overclocked 4-module Bulldozer or Sandy Bridge-E. The 350W should be enough as well, but there's no reason to get that since it's more expensive. These should be decent but pretty unremarkable aside from the efficiency.

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

January 11 2012 08:35 GMT

#17505

ah ok gotcha^^ well thx

all questions answered

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 11 2012 08:37 GMT

#17506

oh what, I didn't even check it as he said pure power and there are no pure powers that are 80+ gold from what I know, so I just assumed it was a normal bronze unit. As it's a gold one, that definitely would be a good power supply to consider at that price. That's really strange though, in just about nay other internet store in europe there are no sales as big as that, some of those prices seem just absolutely insane to me and it makes me feel quite bad that I can't do any bargain hunting over here in finland as there really are just like 10 euro sales <_< I wish there were some decent 50% sales every once in a while but I guess that it's just a bit too much asked.

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

January 11 2012 08:44 GMT

#17507

These are only once a year in france... and they started not even 2 hours ago (and the 100euros 6870 and 150euros gtx560ti are already sold out, still a 6870 at 120 and a 560ti at 170 though... but the gpu's and ssd's are the only things that will run out i think, there should be plenty of stock for the rest)

iKill[ShocK]

Vietnam3530 Posts

January 11 2012 08:49 GMT

#17508

will amd be releasing anymore processors on the am3+ platform?

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 11 2012 08:58 GMT

#17509

On January 11 2012 17:49 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
will amd be releasing anymore processors on the am3+ platform?

piledriver should at least be on that platform from what I've read and it will hopefully be at least decent in performance-power consumption ratio so that we get a little bit of competition for intel :3

Rannasha

Netherlands2398 Posts

January 11 2012 09:03 GMT

#17510

Piledriver should (emphasis on should) come relatively soon as AMD doesn't want to stay on Bulldozer for too long (for good reasons). I do hope it'll be good though, we need more competition. Hopefully Bulldozer / Piledriver will be a repeat of Phenom / Phenom II, where the first one was pretty bad and the successor pretty good.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 11 2012 09:11 GMT

#17511

Yeah for AMD I think relatively soon means something like 2014 christmas... I really wish their processor team would take notes from the graphics card section, those are almost always earlier than expected or at least in time, whereas AMD processors well... they've basically shuffled the same exact architecture back and forth for like 4 years if we don't count Llano or Bulldozer(as bulldozer is actually worse than phenom so)

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

January 11 2012 09:40 GMT

#17512

The difference is that in the GPU market, AMD and nVidia get their hardware made at the same awful sources. In the CPU market, Intel has, by far, the better process and that margin is widening by the minute: Intel is already at 22nm and tri-gates while Globalfoundries is still having trouble with the 32nm process.

AMD has zero chance whatsoever in the consumer market where power efficiency and single core performance is king hence they create Bulldozer, which is entirely designed for the HPC market and is actually pretty good when all threads are fully loaded (I think Cray is using Bulldozer processors). Even if Intel fucks up heavily, they can still dig themselves out with superior fabs like they did in the Netburst era.

iKill[ShocK]

Vietnam3530 Posts

January 11 2012 09:45 GMT

#17513

so should i upgrade to prepare for the future with an 990fx chipset mobo? or nah

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

January 11 2012 09:47 GMT

#17514

Intel has always been the better choice outside of extremely budget builds. Right now, if you don't have an AM3/AM3+ motherboard on hand, you might as well go Intel.

iKill[ShocK]

Vietnam3530 Posts

January 11 2012 10:03 GMT

#17515

cause i already have a phenom 2 970 and i want something that can run crossfire (current mobo cannot)

Rannasha

Netherlands2398 Posts

January 11 2012 10:18 GMT

#17516

On January 11 2012 18:40 Womwomwom wrote:
Even if Intel fucks up heavily, they can still dig themselves out with superior fabs like they did in the Netburst era.

Or they abuse their near-monopoly and enforce exclusiveness from OEMs. Plenty of options!

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

January 11 2012 10:42 GMT

#17517

On January 11 2012 19:03 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
cause i already have a phenom 2 970 and i want something that can run crossfire (current mobo cannot)

Basically every half decent motherboard, Intel or AMD, that has two PCIe 16x slots can do Crossfire.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 11 2012 11:43 GMT

#17518

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-TechBargains&cm_mmc=AFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16814133428

If your'e into rebates, GTX 460 1gb is only $100 after rebate (otherwise $130).

Medrea

10003 Posts

January 11 2012 16:16 GMT

#17519

On January 11 2012 19:03 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
cause i already have a phenom 2 970 and i want something that can run crossfire (current mobo cannot)

You want a motherboard that specifies that it runs PCI-e in x8x8 mode as opposed to x16x4.

x16x4 is only a little bit behind in performance than x8x8 but generally when people crossfire it is for large resolutions or multimonitor setups so the performance difference here is a big deal.

For single monitors where the framerates are absolutely enormous, bus width also matters but guess what, framerates are way over 60 so it doesnt matter if you are bottlenecked by the bus.

seve

91 Posts

January 11 2012 16:20 GMT

#17520

Hi,
Sorry to repost this, but i guess my first post wasn't noticed during homestorycup

I am thinking about upgrading my PC, because i get random crashes and my gpu fan starts to make buzzing noises sometimes. Could you guys suggest me a reasonable (best bang for buck) upgrade for my current build? I use my PC mostly for gaming and office work, no heavy photoshopping but i need to do scientific image processing from time to time. I live in germany so my preferred site to purchase on would be http://www.hardwareversand.de

Also, some questions: Is it possible to say if it's worth to wait for the new generation of GPUs/CPUs? Is my 2 year old PSU (80+ bronze) still ok, or would i also need to upgrade that too?

Thanks guys!

Thats my current build:
CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955
GPU: Sapphire HD5850
PSU: Cougar 550cm (550W)
Mobo: Gigabyte 770TA-UD3
Ram: GSkill Ripjaws 2x2 Gb
Hardrives: Intel SSD X-25m 120Gb (OS: Windows 7 64bit Professional)
WD Caviar Blue 500Gb
Resolution: 1680x1050

Budget: I could spend up to 400 Euros