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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2011 04:40 GMT
#6241
@XenOmega

Oh, I thought you were using an aftermarket heatsink since you overclocked your Phenom. All retail processors include a heatsink. If you're going to be overclocking though, it's recommended you pick up an aftermarket heatsink. A Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for $20 should do the trick for a 4.5GHz - 5GHz overclock.

Well you are getting Eyefinity so you may sometime in the future get an expensive sound system which will benefit greatly from a discrete sound card =p When there's ATX boards available at the same pricepoint as ATX boards than it's good to leave your options open. What if the integrated sound or NIC becomes faulty over the years? Easier to get a discrete card than to replace the entire motherboard. But it's up to you.
mathoes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 04:46:16
June 04 2011 04:41 GMT
#6242
skyR thankyou very much for your assistance today.

now to do a final check that everything is compatable and so on, here is what i have;

Intel Core i5 2400
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16402

ASRock H61M/U3S3 Motherboard B3
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16897

MSI Radeon HD6850 Cyclone Power Edition OC
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16739

Kingston HyperX (2x2GB) DDR3
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17267

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=15934

Antec Neo Eco 450C 450W Power Supply
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13454

CoolerMaster Centurion 5 II
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14105

Fisiks
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 04:46:43
June 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#6243
do you need a cd/dvd drive mathoes?

Lite-On IHAS324 24x DVDRW
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11487
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 04:47:45
June 04 2011 04:47 GMT
#6244
1600MHz memory is unnecessasry, performance difference is very minimal as seen here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html and here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377/3

Just get cas9 1333MHz memory: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13720
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 04 2011 04:50 GMT
#6245
@Skyr : I believe the full ATX Z68 are more expensive than a full ATX P67. Would you recommend getitng a P67, and lose the integrated GPU ability?

Also, my case is 150mm max I believe (AZZA Solano). I believe coolermaster is 160mm
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 04:56:36
June 04 2011 04:53 GMT
#6246
On June 04 2011 13:50 XenOmega wrote:
@Skyr : I believe the full ATX Z68 are more expensive than a full ATX P67. Would you recommend getitng a P67, and lose the integrated GPU ability?

Also, my case is 150mm max I believe (AZZA Solano). I believe coolermaster is 160mm


Hyper 212+ is, indeed, 160mm. Awesome cooler for the price though.

I would almost say that with that much airflow, the stock might be ok with good ambient temps.

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2011 05:10 GMT
#6247
The MSI P67 G43 (or any other G model) would be a good choice for a budget full ATX board capable of 8x 8x CrossfireX.

You can stick with the Intel heatsink provided to see how well it does as suggested already or you can just grab a Coolermaster Hyper TX and install it right from the get go. It's 136.5mm in height and can be found for $17.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 05:47:45
June 04 2011 05:45 GMT
#6248
Getting her 1 4gb stick would be cheaper than getting 2x2!! Any gain from using memory in dual channel?

Does Gigabyte offer any x8 x8 crossfire board at the same price or cheaper?

And any bundle with the i5 that is a great deal this week on ncix?

NCIX OC Bundle Deal MSI P67A-GD65 P67 SLI CrossFireX Motherboard & Intel 2500K Unlocked Processor
Price: $359.99 CAD after $20 MIR
($55 OFF Reg. $414.99 Sku:57990)
$4.99 GROUND SHIPPING (Entire Order)!


NCIX Bundle Deal Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked Quad Core CPU & Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Motherboard
(2500K&GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3) Reg. Price:$402.99 Saving Code: 61725-1343
Free Gift - Ubisoft Tom CLANCY'S H.A.W.X PC Game DVD OEM * Intel Bundle Promo Only * (a $40 value!) $23 $379.99 BUY
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2011 05:58 GMT
#6249
The performance difference between single and dual channel aren't going to be noticeable.

Only the Z68 D3H and Z68 D2H offer 8x 8x at around $120.

All the core i5 bundles on NCIX this week are bad. Buy your parts separately.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 04 2011 06:09 GMT
#6250
I5-2500k = 204.99$ @3.3ghz Mike's Computer Shop. Not sure if NCIX will accept this pricematch. First time I hear about Mike's

I5-2500 = $195.99 @3.3ghz

I5-2400 = $181.83 @3.1ghz

I5-2300 = 173.98 @2,8ghz

I think I've read somewhere that 2500k = unlocked or something, so easier to OC. Is it true? Trying to save as much as I can ^^
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2011 06:31 GMT
#6251
Overclocking on Sandybridge is done entirely through the multiplier since the base clock is linked to every other component (USB, SATA, PCI-E, DMI, etc) so you can't increase it.

The "K" model has an unlocked multiplier. All other models are limited to +4 (ex. core i5 2500 would only be capable of a max of 4.1GHz and a core i5 2400 would only be capable of 3.8GHz).

In other words, 2500k is required unless you're satisfied with gaining 400MHz.

Never heard of Mike's either but HLT and Vastech sell for approximately the same price as well.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 06:37:54
June 04 2011 06:35 GMT
#6252
Hmm, that is very interesting.

What is a normal OC on I5 2500k? 4-5ghz? Like, not upping the voltage or anything. I know how to OC, but I've never done anything extreme, just sticking with the stock voltage.

EDIT : Are there any articles on how much gains we can expect from 4000 vs 5000mhz? I only have a 5770 for now. If I buy the I5/mobo now, I'll probably wait before buying the GPU. And... eventually, the Monitor ^^

I still own that 250 gift card from futureshop. The 6970 2gb is sold out though. And I believe Nvidia requires sli to be able to make a triple screen setup, right?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2011 06:44 GMT
#6253
Most chips are capable of ~4.4GHz at stock voltages. Some are capable of 4.7GHz to 5GHz with less than 1.3v. My stock is 1.24v and is capable of 4.4GHz.

This is the only article I'm aware of for the 2500k: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x.html

Nvidia's version of Eyefinity is 3D Surround and yes SLI is required for it.
geethy
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia67 Posts
June 04 2011 09:46 GMT
#6254
Hey, I'm planning to buy this computer soon and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for any changes I should make for it.

ASUS GeForce GTX 570 DirectCU II 1280MB- $399
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1177&products_id=17117

Intel Core i7 2600K- $325
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=187_346_1184&products_id=16416

Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3- $229
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=17037

ASUS P8P67 PRO Motherboard B3- $215
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16808

Western Digital Green 2TB WD20EARX- $89
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17282

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Case- $139
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16228

Corsair Hydro Series H60 CPU Cooler- $109
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17061

Antec High Current Gamer 900W Power Supply HCG-900- $165
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16143

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM- $105
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17003

LG GH22NS70 22x DVD-RW Drive Retail- $39
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17078

ASUS VE248H 24" Widescreen LED Monitor- $225
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16558

Logitech G110 Gaming Keyboard- $89
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13131

Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse- $79
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12745

Razer Goliathus Omega (270 x 215mm) Control Edition- $14
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7996

TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless N PCI Adapter- $39
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7823

Total Price- $2260

Are there any parts on there that I should avoid? And is there anything that I'm missing? I don't need a headset or speakers at the moment, I'll buy those later. Thanks.

PS. Yes, I know that 16gb might be a bit overkill for RAM, but i swore to my friend that I would get 16gb RAM and he would pay me out heaps for not buying it.
'Money can't buy you happiness, but I'd rather cry in a Ferrari.'
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 13:34:15
June 04 2011 13:25 GMT
#6255
Well for one, you are spending way too much damn money on a PC. You could probably spend 1000 less and get marginally less performance. I don't see any reason you would need a 900w PSU, a 100 dollar aftermarket cooler, and of course there's no reason you should get 16GB of RAM.

If you're spending that much money might as well buy two graphics cards.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 04 2011 13:35 GMT
#6256
A 24" monitor doesn't need a GTX570.

You don't need a i7, it should never, ever be recommended for anyone unless you are doing REAL WORK.

Logitech G110 is trash, doesn't have the semi-useful screen like its more expensive brother yet has terrible, mushy keys and questionable build quality.

Antec Nine Hundred Two is a rubbish case, surprisingly tight to work with and very noisy because there's holes everywhere and the hard disks are mounted straight to metal.
If you must have 16GB of memory (seriously why? people will laugh at you), get two sets of this.

You only need 500W max to run a simple single GPU system.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 04 2011 13:36 GMT
#6257
DVD burner should run closer to $20. It's ridiculous to spend over $2k on a PC and not have an SSD, and without an SSD using the Caviar green as an HDD will be a major performance hit with the slow RPM.

Given some of your selections, I take it you're less enthusiast, more guy with a large budget and stars in his eyes? Would you be interested in saving a pile of money for components that are nearly as high of numbers, and way better deals?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 13:43:35
June 04 2011 13:38 GMT
#6258
Australia is shit and prices are stupid. DVD burners for whatever reason are now like $35 at the cheapest from MSY and certain high end goods like HP and Apple monitors are like $300-1000 more expensive than the American prices.

We've always been like this with retailers. Big AAA game titles like L.A. Noire are around $110 if you buy from a typical department store like Myer (of course it means you buy online from Play Asia).
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 04 2011 13:43 GMT
#6259
Fair enough on the pricing. It's still a rather terrible idea to run any system off a Caviar Green though, let alone an i7 with hysterically pointless amounts of RAM.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 04 2011 14:20 GMT
#6260
@Skyr, would a SLI 570 or 580 (using my 250$ giftcard from Futureshop) be a good choice, even though they do not have a lot of memory? (1280/1536)
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