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On April 24 2011 04:06 PsyPhi wrote:
@Myrmidon: Yeah, I'm building now, unless there's a very good reason to wait. My current computer's motherboard is having some problems, so that adds a bit of urgency. How does the GTX 560 Ti compare to the Radeon 6900s? Those seem to be the ones I would choose between. I was thinking about getting a smaller SSD as well, but I haven't really researched them yet, I was focusing on the essentials first.
The GTX 560 is quite similar to the 6950 so it comes down to brand preference really but the 6950 1GB atm for $200 after mail in rebate is a better buy.
You can see the performance difference between these two cards in the three reviews I posted in my previous post.
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@skyeR
Wow, thank you very much for the advice and price matching. The one part I was really clueless about was the motherboard, so the information about the overclocking and the heatsink will be very valuable, as I originally was thinking about the ASUS P8P67 LE just because it was part of a bundle deal.
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@freeball1
You either want 2x2GB or 2x4GB for a P67 motherboard. You do not want 2x3GB as these kits are meant for X58 motherboards.
750w should be sufficient for a future SLI setup. If you are not doing SLI, you should step down to an Asrock P67 Pro3 and a ~500w power supply.
You would want an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking your processor. If you have no plans to overclock, you can step down to a H67 motherboard and a core i5 2400 / 2500 instead.
You are missing a operating system.
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@skyR
Thanks for responding,
I probably won't use SLI -----> P67 Pro3 with ~500w PSU
I might want to do CPU overclocking in the future, so I think I'll stick with the 2500k as it's not that much more expensive than a 2500. I guess I can still add an aftermarket heatsink when I want to oc, or should I add it anyways from the beginning (if yes, what is the standard choice for a 2500k)?
Don't need an operating system.
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With the Z68 board coming out in a couple weeks would it be a good idea to wait and see how well they fare/ and or and hope for a price drop on the P67?
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On April 24 2011 08:20 UrASofty wrote:
With the Z68 board coming out in a couple weeks would it be a good idea to wait and see how well they fare/ and or and hope for a price drop on the P67?
P67 prices aren't likely to drop that fast. Z68 is likely to replace the high-end segment first so if you aren't willing to shell out $170+ on a board, there's no point in waiting (unless you plan on waiting until the end of this year =\).
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On April 23 2011 11:48 skyR wrote:
@Krasso
The Gigabyte P67 UD3 or Asrock P67 Pro3 would be better options. You'll also want a aftermarket heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for overclocking.
Could you please explain why? But thanks for the recommendations.
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what is a good graphics card for 1920x1000 res
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On April 24 2011 11:34 TooN wrote:
what is a good graphics card for 1920x1000 res
For what software? What games? What do you use your computer for?
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On April 24 2011 11:35 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 11:34 TooN wrote:
what is a good graphics card for 1920x1000 res
For what software? What games? What do you use your computer for?
Like FPS.. battlefield coming out.
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On April 24 2011 11:17 Krasso wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 11:48 skyR wrote:
@Krasso
The Gigabyte P67 UD3 or Asrock P67 Pro3 would be better options. You'll also want a aftermarket heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for overclocking. Could you please explain why? But thanks for the recommendations.
I dunno, those are cheaper than the P8P67-M Pro and will do all the same things, while being ATX as opposed to microATX. They just don't have SLI or x8/x8 Crossfire support for multi-GPU setups. There are also reported issues on Asus P67 motherboards you can read about...I think skyR has had such issues as well, and I've seen one or two others post about it here as well. But those don't seem to effect everybody--just some unlucky percentage, as is typical. Maybe skyR is thinking of something else? Let's see.
edit: got ninja'd+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 11:34 TooN wrote:
what is a good graphics card for 1920x1000 res
Anything these days will output 1920x1080 or 1920x1200. If you're asking about gaming performance, professional CAD performance, or other features, that's a different matter. What are you asking about?
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On April 24 2011 11:38 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 11:35 JingleHell wrote:On April 24 2011 11:34 TooN wrote:
what is a good graphics card for 1920x1000 res
For what software? What games? What do you use your computer for? Like FPS.. battlefield coming out.
For any modern FPS at that res, particularly if you plan to do MP, which always loses some performance, I'd say a GTX 460 1gb as the barebones minimum.
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On April 24 2011 11:17 Krasso wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 11:48 skyR wrote:
@Krasso
The Gigabyte P67 UD3 or Asrock P67 Pro3 would be better options. You'll also want a aftermarket heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for overclocking. Could you please explain why? But thanks for the recommendations.
The ASUS P8P67-M Pro offers two features over the Gigabyte P67 UD3 and Asrock P67 Pro3:
1. SLI capabilities
If you're looking to do SLI than I'd get a different motherboard altogether since this (at least imo) isn't a very good choice for a SLI setup as its a mATX board. A SLI setup will block all the other PCI and PCI-E x1 slots on the motherboard so this leaves you with no room for a sound card or other add-on cards (unless you use single slot heatsinks on the graphics cards).
2. Advanced RMA
If you ever need to RMA than I guess this will come in handy but personally, it's not worth paying the extra over Gigabyte or Asrock.
The difference between a core i5 2500k and regular core i5 2500k is that the "K" model provides you with stronger integrated graphics (which you won't use) and an unlocked multiplier (used for overclocking). Since you selected a "K", I'm assuming you want to overclock. You'll want an aftermarket heatsink to reduce temperature and noise since the stock Intel heatsink does a pretty terrible job once you raise the voltage.
All three motherboards should have similar overclocking results.
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how much better is the z68 compared to the p67? i'm considering paying the extra to upgrade from the p67 if it's worth the benefits.
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On April 25 2011 01:06 GTR wrote:
how much better is the z68 compared to the p67? i'm considering paying the extra to upgrade from the p67 if it's worth the benefits.
Well the primary difference between Z68 and P67 is integrated graphics support. We haven't seen any Z68 motherboards yet except for the ASUS P6Z68-V Pro which will have Lucid Virtu and memory support up to 2600MHz. All of which are pretty pointless... I guess the integrated graphics comes in handy if your graphics card dies.
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On April 25 2011 01:06 GTR wrote:
how much better is the z68 compared to the p67? i'm considering paying the extra to upgrade from the p67 if it's worth the benefits.
For people who want to take advantage of QuickSync (while having a discrete GPU), that's the main benefit of Z68.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/9
I'm really not sure what the point is though for everyone else. From some screenshots, it looks like Gigabyte may have EFI on their Z68 boards, but if they update their P67 boards later on as well...no real point. I really wonder how many users here have even taken advantage of encoding software even once. I just don't think this is a big enough deal that the discussion of software vs. hardware-acceleration would even come into play. If you're already on a B3 board, I think you're set.
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With a budget of MAX 600$ (Canada), what can I build for my friend?
Considering the followings :
We can probably use the hard drive from the old computer to save a few bucks
We can probably use the DVD drive to save a few bucks
As a gift, I could give him my used amd5770, which is plenty enough for Starcraft 2
Also, consider these facts :
-His old computer is a HP model. I don't remember the model, but here's the CPU
AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 4800+ for TRUE multi-tasking AMD LIVE!™ Made to Bring It All Together
• 2.4GHz, 512KB+512KB L2 Cache, 2000MHz System Bus. Is it possible to OC it to something decent?
-He wants the computer for Homeworks/internet and video games. Video games he wants to play : Starcraft 2. Right now his computer does not meet the minimum. I believe the PSU and Video Card to be too weak. It may be possible to upgrade, or we can just build something new.
He is a RTS fan, also fan of every Total war games (So I expect him to jump into the Shogun Total War 2 when it comes out, if it hasn't already). He is not a fan of FPS/shooter.
-He has 4gb of ram, but they are DDR2.
-He wants his computer to last AT LEAST 5-7 years, or more. He is doing his Master degree and will complete it next year. He is expected to start a PHD immediately after. So he wants the computer to last until the end of his studies. He is tight on money, but he wants to be able to do some light gaming for leisure.
He already has mouse, keyboard, speakers, monitor, OS (Windows vista I believe!!!).
-I haven't verified the information, but I am confident his resolution is not 1920x1080. Its probably lower. I believe his screen to be around 20 inches.
So considering all these, assuming that the cpu/ram/mobo/case of his HP model are obsolete... considering his needs and budgets, here's what I have been able to throw together (using NCIX)
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CPU/mobo : NCIX Bundle Deal AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black & MSI 790FX-GD70 DDR3 Motherboard 209.99$ (also note that this comes with a 10$ gift card and free ground shipping for the entire order : this can be a good value)
************** Do you think this AMD CPU would be enough for 5-7 years?
RAM : Cheapest this week (without considering PM) Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 4GB 2X2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit c 37.99$ (after 5$ mir)
PSU : This week's choices...
Antec Truepower New 650W Modular Power Supply ATX12V V2.3 Active PFC 80 Plus SLI Ready 120MM PWM Fan c 59.99$ after 30$ mir (But i dont like MIR)
Seasonic S12II 620W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80+ Bronze 6+8PIN PCI-E W/ 120MM Fan c 64.99$ (No MIR)
I'm not sure how much Watt he will need. Anyone can help me here?
CASE : I'm not sure what to get. It would be insane to spend too much here. He only needs a decent case. No need for it to be good looking.
VID card : I'll be giving him my 5770, if you guys say its a decent gift for a friend (and birthday present)
HD : Its possible the old hd can be used again
DVD : The old dvd player can probably be used again.
Goal is to not go over 600. The more we save from the budget, the better! I think having a good base is desired, leaving some option for upgrade (such as going to 8 ram if needed, or changing his GPU : note that his mobo allows 4x crossfire I believe. Its probably pointless, but it does leave us with an option for upgrade)
thoughts?
thank you all for your help. Much appreciated
Robert
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