EPTMP, if anything, would be a bit more forgiving.
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
MP, if anything, would be a bit more forgiving. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On August 18 2013 10:59 Ropid wrote: Can you guys share a link to the replay(s) you are using to test this and describe how you go about testing (on what to put the camera and stuff). Any where and everywhere. The best FPS I get maxed out is on maps like Derelict Watcher or Star Station, and my FPS is in the region of 122 early game (just building Probes, maxed out settings bar AA. The 770 was pushing 250 at least. This trend continues into he midgame, where my card would get around 60, and the 770 a hundred or so. It seems to be consisnetly a lot more powerful than the 7950. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
Just loaded Derelict Watcher, and i am at >300fps maxed 1920x1080 which is kinda in a different league to 122 and we did a bunch of comparisons before on various games, maps, player cams etc using shared replay or being in the game game, was kinda ridiculous gap In terms of frametimes though, i can sit indefinately and they'll all be under 4ms with game paused.. (sampling @100ms from msi afterburner) and then i play the game, and i get about 10-15 frames per minute (one every 4-6 seconds) that takes 40-50ms (so basically drop 2 or 3 frames every 5 seconds) I had better performance on Daybreak though i think, i remember passing 700fps there on low when moving camera around map and i'm pretty sure better on max settings than barely breaking 300 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Or is this SLI? Don't use SLI for games you play to win, only for fun. | ||
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Lowkey24
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1000 What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? Gaming mostly What is your upgrade cycle? 2 years When do you plan on building it? Friday Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? no Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg/Amazon thanks! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On August 19 2013 06:50 Ropid wrote: You don't have vsync on, do you? If you want to use it, put it on that "adaptive" mode in the nvidia control panel so it's off if below 60 fps. Or is this SLI? Don't use SLI for games you play to win, only for fun. That's Gumbi's single 7770 without a framerate limit on max settings on one the older drivers A lot better results for everyone on min, it doesn't make sense to run above min settings in this type of game engine. I mean you can keep a 99'th percentile fps like three times higher on min settings even if you're not gpu bound, not sure why, there's so little documentation for sc2 engine ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YB6sNpk.png) Best i can do in terms of tightness through any method on my card, with or without vsync (adaptive or not) or fps limiting, etc | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
I also plan to get a 2nd monitor and an SSD, but that's not relevant right now. (Please feel free to recommend any for these). I'm looking at around 200 for the monitor and a 128gb SSD. Thanks in advance! | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On August 19 2013 18:44 kleetzor wrote: Could someone tell me if it's worth upgrading my 560ti HAWK for a better GPU with my current i5 2500 processor if I plan to play Rome 2 and maybe the new Splinter Cell at 1920*1080 or 1920*1200? Or should I just go for a new Mobo/Proc directly? I'm kinda lost on what will be coming out shortly, or what the current top processor is (like the 2500 for the last couple of years) I also plan to get a 2nd monitor and an SSD, but that's not relevant right now. (Please feel free to recommend any for these). I'm looking at around 200 for the monitor and a 128gb SSD. Thanks in advance! I haven't seen anything concrete on Rome2's gpu needs. 560ti will definitely run it but can't guarantee it will max it. Either way you can see how it runs and then upgrade if you don't like the performance. No reason to upgrade the 2500, you are only 2 generations behind so the performance increase will not be extraordinary. SSD probably go Samsung 840 evo, should be in stock very soon. And with Rome taking up 35gb by itself its worth looking at a 250g if you want more than a couple of games on your ssd. I dunno about monitor. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Total War, like Starcraft II, will have a noticeable FPS drop in certain situations regardless of setup. | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
skyR, would this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371 be adequate for a 4670k? What other options do you know of? Thanks in advance. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
What is your budget? I don't have a strict budget, so I guess just aim for £1000 with some leeway to go over. What is your resolution? Two monitors at 1920x1080. What are you using it for? Streaming and gaming. I just stream BW at the moment, but I'd like a build that can stream SC2 at high quality as well. Gaming wise, playing recent games at decent (but not necessarily maxed) quality would be nice. Rome 2 coming out next month is part of the reason I'm upgrading now :D What is your upgrade cycle? 2-3 years. When do you plan on building it? Within the next month or so. Do you plan on overclocking? No. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. Where are you buying your parts from? Any UK online retailer. I've seen Cyro mention www.overclockers.co.uk a few times in this thread and www.ebuyer.co.uk is linked in the OP so I guess I'll start with those? Thanks in advance! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On August 19 2013 19:11 kleetzor wrote: Thanks to both of you. skyR, would this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371 be adequate for a 4670k? What other options do you know of? Thanks in advance. Just get a d3h ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591 ) and some decent cooling. The extreme6 has tomshardware approved award, which actually means a lot less than i thought it did, they made it really clear along with anandtech that they don't really know what they are doing with Haswell. They're both stuck on release day when everybody was running around like headless chickens with the architecture Heya Sayle! Yea OCUK is pretty good, amazon and a few other sites sometimes have better prices, you probably want locked i5 build (4670 or one of the other models) with single gpu and 120gb ssd or something like that Hard to reccomend GPU, depends what Rome 2 needs and offers, there were a few nice ones on recently, this ( http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-299-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=2294 ) was £10 cheaper etc. It's still an ok buy with the free shipping (on the card and everything you buy with it i think), but there were some pretty crazy deals on recently, il ask gumbi if he saw anything There's a lot of benefit from overclocking, particularly in handling CPU bound stuff, sc2, streaming high resolution and fps, i guess rome (but never played or looked into it in particular) so you might want to look into it, but i'll admit current cpu architecture pretty tricky for overclocking. A few years ago, it was super easy for anyone to run a great overclock and simple to set up and to test, not so much any more.. Still good gains though if you wanna get your hands dirty and learn more about CPU's, nothing like having >your< specially tweaked cpu and some nice fast RAM that outperforms everyone else notably that didn't overclock. Up to you though  | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
I'm actually debating if I should just get a locked 4670, as I might not go for the overclock, thus saving money on the heatsink, motherboard and like 10 euros on the proc. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
 Personally i'd get a 4670k anyway because it'd resell better and it's a chance to roll in the silicon lottery, if you could test out the chips OC capabilities somehow. There's always a chance you get one of those stupid as shit CPU's that'll do 5ghz on 1.25v | ||
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Fatta
Germany148 Posts
The current plan is to buy an Intel 4670k plus a Samsung 840 EVO SSD, plus 16GB of RAM (needed for some work related stuff). This is more or less fixed. Basically I would need a recommendation on a good motherboard (no special needs here from my side) and a graphics card (DOTA 2, SC2, some FPS in standard 1920x1080, currently on one monitor, but might buy a second one soon). And a recommendation on a reasonable CPU cooler. Graphics card should be maximum at around 300€, if cheaper also fine. I will probably buy from mindfactory.de. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
Also, it's fucking beautiful  CPU cooler, depends what you want to accomplish and what kind of budget you want to assign to it. GPU also, what performance you want to drive. I'll have a quick look at german prices. Edit: I'd grab this at 57 euro: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Thermalright-Silver-Arrow-SB-E_789879.html 57 euro for that cooler and 118 euro for the board are actually really nice prices It's important to make sure stuff fits with case though. RAM also - if your RAM has big plastic stuff on top (that are called heat spreaders, 99% of the time they have no useful function, but all of the manufacturers use shiny/fancy stuff to make their RAM modules look different or better so that people buy them) then it might not fit under certain air coolers like the silver arrow. The 16gb of RAM will serve you well with 840 evo turbo thingy  look it up on overclock.net, samsumg's working on a program to use a RAM buffer (up to 1gb) to massively increase transfer speeds. I can't remember if it was reads or writes thoughNot super sure on the GPU, because i don't know the different coolers on the high end 7k series very well and few sites i checked didn't have any great deals on nvidia side. It depends a lot how much power you want, how you emphasize performance vs cost etc (like, best card for 300 euro, or whichever will fit your needs even if it's only 120 euro?) And something i'd reccomend to everyone that has a case or is buying one: Check fan slots, see where you can add fans. A couple of fans (noisy or quiet, depending if you mind or not) can improve airflow drastically without you even noticing that they are there, unless you really care about silence. A lot of people hate on fans because they are used to bad ones, but good ones have great airflow to noise ratio's | ||
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Fatta
Germany148 Posts
For the graphics card I was looking at a GTX760 but since I have no clue about graphics cards atm, I was just asking. So I would say somewhere in that price range and then up to 300€ would be what I am looking for. But I have no idea if e.g. currently it would be better to buy a AMD card in this price range. | ||
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