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On December 24 2012 05:17 IshinShishi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi guys, first of all I don't have easy access to quality products for a fair price around here, the whole thing will cost around 1500$ which I'm sure could get me something a lot better in the US, but this is the best I can get.
My gaming resolution has been 1280x720p for ages, I will use this pretty much just for gaming (sc2, dota2, don't really care much for other games) and I do not plan on overclocking it, unless I feel it's necessary.
processor : I7 3820 3.80GHZ 10MB
memory : 2 4GB DDR3 1333 - MARKVISION
HD : 1TB SATA III 7200RPM 32MB ST31000524AS - SEAGATE
videocard : PCIEXP 2GB 128-BIT DDR3 GTS450 ZOGTS450-2GBD3H - ZOGIS
power supply : 600W REAL BRP600- SENTEY
motherboard : 1155 GA-B75M-D3H DDR3 HDMI USB 3.0 (S/V/R) - GIGABYTE
How well will it work together? If it can be improved, which parts should be upgraded or downgraded according to my needs? Thanks in advance!
B75 and i7 3820 are not compatible, you would need a LGA2011 (X79) board for that i7. For a gaming computer, you can switch out the i7 for a core i5 3*** (stars being numbers, eg 3470, 3550, etc) or core i3 3***.
You do not need a 600w unit for such a build, a quality 400w would be more than adequate (Corsair CX400 / CX430v2 / CX430 2012, Antec Earthwatts 380D / 430D, Antec Neo Eco 400C / 450C). Sentey BRP line is relatively new and relatively bad as well I think so I wouldn't pick that.
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Don't get the Sentey BRP, but Sentey Solid Power SS (SDP550-SS) should be okay. That's some kind of cost-cut version of Super Flower's LLC resonant platform (for Golden Green / Golden King), I think. Some of the better options, and many more international brands may be more expensive. If you do find something like Corsair CX or some of the above skyR listed for less, you can get that instead. SDP is maybe a little better though, not like you actually need anything like 550W.
From money saved in not wasting it on an i7, try to get a graphics card that's not a midrange budget option from two generations ago.
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On December 24 2012 05:17 IshinShishi wrote:
Hi guys, first of all I don't have easy access to quality products for a fair price around here, the whole thing will cost around 1500$ which I'm sure could get me something a lot better in the US, but this is the best I can get.
My gaming resolution has been 1280x720p for ages, I will use this pretty much just for gaming (sc2, dota2, don't really care much for other games) and I do not plan on overclocking it, unless I feel it's necessary.
processor : I7 3820 3.80GHZ 10MB
memory : 2 4GB DDR3 1333 - MARKVISION
HD : 1TB SATA III 7200RPM 32MB ST31000524AS - SEAGATE
videocard : PCIEXP 2GB 128-BIT DDR3 GTS450 ZOGTS450-2GBD3H - ZOGIS
power supply : 600W REAL BRP600- SENTEY
motherboard : 1155 GA-B75M-D3H DDR3 HDMI USB 3.0 (S/V/R) - GIGABYTE
How well will it work together? If it can be improved, which parts should be upgraded or downgraded according to my needs? Thanks in advance!
You should save some money on CPU and try to get a better video card. There's really no reason to get that pricey processor plus an expensive 2011 motherboard you'll have to buy with it when you really won't see any difference from i5-3570 in gaming.
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On December 23 2012 22:22 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 22:15 TheKefka wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys I finally saved up enough money for a new computer and I'd like some input on the specs and if I can get more cost effective somewhere or better parts that are more worthwhile.
First of all,the idea is to have longevity with this build,the only thing that I would consider upgrading in the future is the gpu and more ram I guess.
Budget: 550$
Motherboard:AsRock P67 PRO3
CPU:Core i3 2120
GPU:HD 6670
PSU:ATX 2.0 550W
RAM:DDR3 4GB 1333MHz,CL9
Mouse:Kinzu
This currently sets me under my budget so if you think I'm better off getting a more expensive part that I'm open to suggestions. Get a H61, H67, B75, or H77 board instead of a P67. 550w doesn't tell us anything about the PSU. A quality 400w unit like a Corsair CX400 / CX430, Antec Neo Eco 400C, Earthwatts 380D, and Seasonic would be more than fine for a low-end build. You might want to get a better GPU with the saved / excess money.
Just one more question about this.The psu I was looking at was MS Industrial PRO-550.
I should go for the Seasonic SS-430GB, 430W instead than?
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Usually the price of S12II (SS-___GB) is higher than its value, but it's a good quality budget-range power supply. It's a lot better than the lower-quality options that some others sell. But if you're not paying budget-range prices for it, then look elsewhere if there are other okay options.
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On December 24 2012 07:01 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:17 IshinShishi wrote:
Hi guys, first of all I don't have easy access to quality products for a fair price around here, the whole thing will cost around 1500$ which I'm sure could get me something a lot better in the US, but this is the best I can get.
My gaming resolution has been 1280x720p for ages, I will use this pretty much just for gaming (sc2, dota2, don't really care much for other games) and I do not plan on overclocking it, unless I feel it's necessary.
processor : I7 3820 3.80GHZ 10MB
memory : 2 4GB DDR3 1333 - MARKVISION
HD : 1TB SATA III 7200RPM 32MB ST31000524AS - SEAGATE
videocard : PCIEXP 2GB 128-BIT DDR3 GTS450 ZOGTS450-2GBD3H - ZOGIS
power supply : 600W REAL BRP600- SENTEY
motherboard : 1155 GA-B75M-D3H DDR3 HDMI USB 3.0 (S/V/R) - GIGABYTE
How well will it work together? If it can be improved, which parts should be upgraded or downgraded according to my needs? Thanks in advance!
You should save some money on CPU and try to get a better video card. There's really no reason to get that pricey processor plus an expensive 2011 motherboard you'll have to buy with it when you really won't see any difference from i5-3570 in gaming.
Changes
processor : 1155 I5 3570 3.40GHZ 6M CORE BX80637I53570
power supply : 430W REAL CMPSU-430CXV2 - CORSAIR
motherboard : 1155 DZ68DB (S/V/R) BOXDZ68DB
around 856~ without the gpu, I could also get Asus P8z77-v Lx + Core I7 3770 + 8gb Corsair instead, for a total of 1000$.
it's really hard to find a decent gpu around here, some options I have are :
Gtx550 Ti Evga 1gb 192bit (250$)
Hd6870 1gb Xfx Hd-687a-zhfc Hd 6870 256-bit Ddr5 (315$)
Zogis GeForce GTX 560 1GB DDR5 256bit (really expensive like 420$ LOL)
Sapphire HD7750 (245$)
GEFORCE ZOGIS GTX550 TI 2GB DDR5 256bit(340$)
Also, should I get a cpu bound cooler aside from the standard cheap cooler?
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Also, should I get a cpu bound cooler aside from the standard cheap cooler?
i5 3570K instead of 3570
Add a decent air cooler (30/40$ mark)
Then overclock.
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(Old) + Show Spoiler +Hey, thinking of building a new computer (still). When watching recent/newer budget builds, there always seems to be the option of building an AMD APU or Intel Ivybridge PC. I've been thinking about the APU builds recently, and I've been wondering...
On a $300-$400 gaming (1080p SWTOR/SC2/Elder Scrolls) build, minus the HDD, what would perform better: an APU system crossfire'd with my current HD4670 1GB, or an Intel Ivy bridge system? I plan on buying the parts off of Newegg and considering driving to a Microcenter about 100 miles away.
Edit: *The 4670 won't work w/ the APU, apparently
SUPEREDIT: Hi, I want to build a $350-ish budget gaming (SWTOR/SC2/Elder Scrolls) that I multitask a lot on (Skype/Facebook/Pandora). I'm considering APU since I heard that it was really good for the price, so long that I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.
CPU/GPU/APU: AMD A10-5800K $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280
MOBO: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157331&Tpk=ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard
RAM: 8GB (2x 4GB) G.SKill Ripjaws 240-Pin 2133 DDR3 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231519
PSU: Corsair 500W ATX12V 80 Plus Bronze $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
HDD: (already got one, Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB)
Case: (already got one, but might want to get a newer one)
That brings me to $300! That leaves me w/ roughly $50 - $100 left. I'm thinking of getting more fans since I have seasonal heat problems, or saving up for a GPU that I can crossfire w/ the APU. So, whacha guys think?
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@IshinShishi
Can't you order from a larger online retailer? After a little googling & google-translating, here's some options from a site that seems willing to ship wherever:
i5-3570k (19,800 yen)
http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/0735858241687/200510020000000/
Asrock z77 Pro3 (7,600 yen)
http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/4562193450179/201710010480000/&usg=ALkJrhifubMe4XBSxfFlqFpvUPnRsG1iNA
Rosewill Capstone 450 - (7000 yen) no kidding. I thought Rosewill was a newegg brand only!
http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/4537694139908/&usg=ALkJrhjww65PXUNIrX1xCzktleqxWKFhiw
MSI 7770 (13,000 yen) (You probably don't need a more powerful GPU unless you upgrade your monitor)
http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/4526541091995/201810005000000/
Seagate 1TB HDD (5,500 yen)
http://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/0405885600015/201505005000000/&usg=ALkJrhh89u9kkROqba844lqQm7aMIYX6Uw
Note I didn't look around for the best deals or anything. This is just a good place you can look for components. Prices seemed pretty reasonable. The sample parts total to about 53000 yen, or about $630. With your budget, you could upgrade the GPU to a 7850, 7870, or 7950 and also get a new monitor.
The above is an overclockable CPU + mobo, you may be able to find an i5-3470 & B75 mobo cheaper, for instance. As for CPU cooler - you can use the Intel stock heatsink unless you overclock. Then you should buy a different one.
But maybe I'm missing something?
This site may also help you shop for components. It's how I found Tsukumo.co.jp:
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000322858/&usg=ALkJrhhrERcr2kkQrvwCfnkQOIxofNdPDg
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On December 24 2012 09:46 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:01 Sein wrote:On December 24 2012 05:17 IshinShishi wrote:
Hi guys, first of all I don't have easy access to quality products for a fair price around here, the whole thing will cost around 1500$ which I'm sure could get me something a lot better in the US, but this is the best I can get.
My gaming resolution has been 1280x720p for ages, I will use this pretty much just for gaming (sc2, dota2, don't really care much for other games) and I do not plan on overclocking it, unless I feel it's necessary.
processor : I7 3820 3.80GHZ 10MB
memory : 2 4GB DDR3 1333 - MARKVISION
HD : 1TB SATA III 7200RPM 32MB ST31000524AS - SEAGATE
videocard : PCIEXP 2GB 128-BIT DDR3 GTS450 ZOGTS450-2GBD3H - ZOGIS
power supply : 600W REAL BRP600- SENTEY
motherboard : 1155 GA-B75M-D3H DDR3 HDMI USB 3.0 (S/V/R) - GIGABYTE
How well will it work together? If it can be improved, which parts should be upgraded or downgraded according to my needs? Thanks in advance!
You should save some money on CPU and try to get a better video card. There's really no reason to get that pricey processor plus an expensive 2011 motherboard you'll have to buy with it when you really won't see any difference from i5-3570 in gaming. Changes processor : 1155 I5 3570 3.40GHZ 6M CORE BX80637I53570 power supply : 430W REAL CMPSU-430CXV2 - CORSAIR motherboard : 1155 DZ68DB (S/V/R) BOXDZ68DB around 856~ without the gpu, I could also get Asus P8z77-v Lx + Core I7 3770 + 8gb Corsair instead, for a total of 1000$. it's really hard to find a decent gpu around here, some options I have are : Gtx550 Ti Evga 1gb 192bit (250$) Hd6870 1gb Xfx Hd-687a-zhfc Hd 6870 256-bit Ddr5 (315$) Zogis GeForce GTX 560 1GB DDR5 256bit (really expensive like 420$ LOL) Sapphire HD7750 (245$) GEFORCE ZOGIS GTX550 TI 2GB DDR5 256bit(340$) Also, should I get a cpu bound cooler aside from the standard cheap cooler?
Holy moly. Are video cards really that expensive where you live? $420 for 560 and $245 for 7750? That is unbelievably high.
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Well thats Japan and MisterFred found a retailer with way better prices like that 7770 for 13,300 Yen which is like $130 as I understand it.
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I am thinking to purchase a i5 processor to replace my current i3-2100 today, along with a new case and possible more RAM. However, I'm not sure what will happens with Windows 7. I remember changing my mainboard, cpu and gpu two years ago which asked me to reactivate Windows. My copy at that time was Vista OEM so I couldn't and had to purchase a new one.
Now I have a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium that is installed on my computer. If I change my CPU and RAM but not my motherboard, will I have to reactivate the Windows 7? Is it going to ask me for reactivation and can I just enter my serial key of the product and will there be any problems?
Also, I have MSI H61M-P21 motherboard. I'm assuming this should be compatible with Sandy Bridge and Ivy League processors? I also intend to add more RAM and if I remember right I should have a single slot 4GB GSkill inside. Can I just buy another 4 and make it 8? I checked the configs for the motherboard and it says up to 16GB RAM is possible.
I am using my computer mainly for gaming.
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On December 24 2012 16:47 Bleak wrote:
I am thinking to purchase a i5 processor to replace my current i3-2100 today, along with a new case. However, I'm not sure what will happens with Windows 7. I remember changing my mainboard, cpu and gpu two years ago which asked me to reactivate Windows. My copy at that time was Vista OEM so I couldn't and had to purchase a new one.
Now I have a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium that is installed on my computer. If I change my CPU, will I have to reactivate the Windows 7? Is it going to ask me for reactivation and can I just enter my serial key of the product and will there be any problems?
Also, I have MSI H61M-P21 motherboard. I'm assuming this should be compatible with Sandy Bridge and Ivy League processors? I also intend to add more RAM and if I remember right I should have a single slot 4GB GSkill inside. Can I just buy another 4 and make it 8? I checked the configs for the motherboard and it says up to 16GB RAM is possible.
I am using my computer mainly for gaming.
I'm not certain why you're doing a sidegrade like that. Buying an i5 to replace your i3 2100 isn't going to provide a huge amount of performance in my opinion. You're probably not going to make an unplayable game, playable. Its probably going to make things a little bit smoother and not much else.
Windows will either accept your serial key without problems or complain. Either way, you do not need to buy a new copy of Windows. If your serial key is invalid, contact Microsoft and they will issue you with a new key. I might be remembering incorrectly but when I worked in a computer store, the whole process was automated so its fairly quick.
If you're dead certain about getting an Ivy Bridge processor, the MSI board will accept it with no problems so long as you've updated the BIOS. The most recent BIOS update should let you use Ivy Bridge processors. As for the RAM question, another 4GB kit should work fine with the current 4GB kit you have.
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On December 24 2012 17:08 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 16:47 Bleak wrote:
I am thinking to purchase a i5 processor to replace my current i3-2100 today, along with a new case. However, I'm not sure what will happens with Windows 7. I remember changing my mainboard, cpu and gpu two years ago which asked me to reactivate Windows. My copy at that time was Vista OEM so I couldn't and had to purchase a new one.
Now I have a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium that is installed on my computer. If I change my CPU, will I have to reactivate the Windows 7? Is it going to ask me for reactivation and can I just enter my serial key of the product and will there be any problems?
Also, I have MSI H61M-P21 motherboard. I'm assuming this should be compatible with Sandy Bridge and Ivy League processors? I also intend to add more RAM and if I remember right I should have a single slot 4GB GSkill inside. Can I just buy another 4 and make it 8? I checked the configs for the motherboard and it says up to 16GB RAM is possible.
I am using my computer mainly for gaming.
I'm not certain why you're doing a sidegrade like that. Buying an i5 to replace your i3 2100 isn't going to provide a huge amount of performance in my opinion. You're probably not going to make an unplayable game, playable. Its probably going to make things a little bit smoother and not much else. Windows will either accept your serial key without problems or complain. Either way, you do not need to buy a new copy of Windows. If your serial key is invalid, contact Microsoft and they will issue you with a new key. I might be remembering incorrectly but when I worked in a computer store, the whole process was automated so its fairly quick. If you're dead certain about getting an Ivy Bridge processor, the MSI board will accept it with no problems so long as you've updated the BIOS. The most recent BIOS update should let you use Ivy Bridge processors. As for the RAM question, another 4GB kit should work fine with the current 4GB kit you have.
Well there aren't really any unplayable games that I have come across. I pretty much played every single game that I purchased on full detail settings these past one and a half years (the last time I upgraded my system) I have a AMD 6950HD as GPU so I was able to play Skyrim, Dishonored, Civ 5, Batman Arkham City on highest settings (which was stuttering on DX11, but great on Dx9) Only with Skyrim and so many mods installed the PC had really trouble in certain places. If you're saying it won't make such a huge difference (which I was kinda hoping for) then I shouldn't really buy it, because in Turkey an i5 costs as much as 250 USD.
My PC gets really hot (GPU can get to 80 when playing Dota 2 for half an hour on full detail for example) so I intend to get a new case and a new cooler. After your suggestion I am not sure about the CPU anymore, but I think I still need more RAM (thinking my troubles with Skyrim) and more cooling.
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As far as I know, Skyrim is a 32 bit program so you're going to find it difficult to use more 4GB of RAM. I believe stock Skyrim cannot use more than 2GB of RAM and you need performance mods to get it to use more 4GB and more.
Skyrim supports quad core processors but not very well. One core will basically run at 90% utilisation and the other three will run at 30%. Really, the i5's biggest benefit here would probably be faster clock speeds, thanks to turbo boost.
I think it would be better to save the cash and just turn down some more extraneous quality settings like anti-aliasing and shadow detail.
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On December 24 2012 17:30 Womwomwom wrote:
As far as I know, Skyrim is a 32 bit program so you're going to find it difficult to use more 4GB of RAM. I believe stock Skyrim cannot use more than 2GB of RAM and you need performance mods to get it to use more 4GB and more.
Skyrim supports quad core processors but not very well. One core will basically run at 90% utilisation and the other three will run at 30%. Really, the i5's biggest benefit here would probably be faster clock speeds, thanks to turbo boost.
I think it would be better to save the cash and just turn down some more extraneous quality settings like anti-aliasing and shadow detail.
Well I am not playing that much Skyrim nowadays so it's not really an issue. I think I'll just go for more RAM and cooling along with a new case.
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You probably don't even need to buy a single thing. More RAM isn't really going to help things unless you're running a silly amount of things at the same time and a new case/better cooling isn't really going to do much. 80 degrees is fairly high for a GPU under load but its not absolutely dire. If its running at 90 degrees constantly then you've got a problem but 80 degrees is fine, especially if your ambient temperature is high.
For the system you have, all you need is a case with a front intake and a rear exhaust. I'm fairly certain your case has these things.
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On December 24 2012 17:44 Womwomwom wrote:
You probably don't even need to buy a single thing. More RAM isn't really going to help things unless you're running a silly amount of things at the same time and a new case/better cooling isn't really going to do much. 80 degrees is fairly high for a GPU under load but its not absolutely dire. If its running at 90 degrees constantly then you've got a problem but 80 degrees is fine, especially if your ambient temperature is high.
For the system you have, all you need is a case with a front intake and a rear exhaust. I'm fairly certain your case has these things.
Allright, I put my trust in you, I'm not gonna spend any money if it's not gonna make a big difference.
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On December 24 2012 18:44 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 17:44 Womwomwom wrote:
You probably don't even need to buy a single thing. More RAM isn't really going to help things unless you're running a silly amount of things at the same time and a new case/better cooling isn't really going to do much. 80 degrees is fairly high for a GPU under load but its not absolutely dire. If its running at 90 degrees constantly then you've got a problem but 80 degrees is fine, especially if your ambient temperature is high.
For the system you have, all you need is a case with a front intake and a rear exhaust. I'm fairly certain your case has these things. Allright, I put my trust in you, I'm not gonna spend any money if it's not gonna make a big difference.
And you probably made a right decision. Your GPU is not the best, so there's no real bottleneck in your system now. If you will get new i5 cpu and OC it, there will be the difference still, but not that big as you want, because GPU will bottleneck most of games, except the most CPU heavy ones.
Although there's still some games that utilize 2 cores to the max, especially for not so good cpus. Tera ( mmorpg ) comes to mind, while it only uses 2 cores it may push dual-core CPU to 99-100% usage all the time and of course it causes a lot of stutters and lags.
I'd say save up cash for now to build a new PC later.
P.S.
Skyrim can use 4GB RAM since last december. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/12/skyrim-finally-plays-nice-with-your-extra-ram/
Not sure if it can be increased by other tweaks, but I think there's no need for that, even with 80+ mods ( including texture ones ofc ) max I had was 3GB.
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