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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
May 28 2012 14:22 GMT
#22321
I'm not the sort of person that upgrades my hardware all of the time; Hell, I had an AMD Athlon 64 II system with an X1950 Pro, 2GB of RAM and a 160GB HDD from like 2006 up until 2011. I sort of want to sell the 64GB SSD to reduce the overall cost of the 128GB I plan on purchasing but for the small amount of money I'm going to recoup, I don't feel that it is worth it, but I'm stuck in two minds.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
May 28 2012 14:32 GMT
#22322
On May 28 2012 23:22 Mackem wrote:
I'm not the sort of person that upgrades my hardware all of the time; Hell, I had an AMD Athlon 64 II system with an X1950 Pro, 2GB of RAM and a 160GB HDD from like 2006 up until 2011. I sort of want to sell the 64GB SSD to reduce the overall cost of the 128GB I plan on purchasing but for the small amount of money I'm going to recoup, I don't feel that it is worth it, but I'm stuck in two minds.

Oh don't worry you can do A LOT worse Honestly I'd just keep the SSD and purchase another one, that's my preference.
MisterJulianMan
Profile Joined May 2012
19 Posts
May 28 2012 14:48 GMT
#22323
would a 5870 go well with my 2700k or should i just bite the bullet and get a 7850? im planning on upgrading from my current 6770 in a few weeks, the reason i ask is the 5870 is cheaper than the 7850 and would like to keep costs down. ( both would be purchased new)
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
May 28 2012 14:51 GMT
#22324
On May 28 2012 23:32 Sovano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 23:22 Mackem wrote:
I'm not the sort of person that upgrades my hardware all of the time; Hell, I had an AMD Athlon 64 II system with an X1950 Pro, 2GB of RAM and a 160GB HDD from like 2006 up until 2011. I sort of want to sell the 64GB SSD to reduce the overall cost of the 128GB I plan on purchasing but for the small amount of money I'm going to recoup, I don't feel that it is worth it, but I'm stuck in two minds.

Oh don't worry you can do A LOT worse Honestly I'd just keep the SSD and purchase another one, that's my preference.


I might just do that. I've still got to get to the bottom of my memory problems as well. I got a new replacement motherboard recently after my old one bummed out (Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3). The new motherboard was the same model as well. The RAM was working fine this morning. I rebooted my computer and now the PC won't boot. THE DRAM_LED on my board is lit up. I quickly realised that my PC would only boot when the RAM is set to 1333MHz. If I try to use 1600MHz, the DRAM_LED is lit up and my monitor is just black (as though my PC isn't even on). I have tried a lot of things and I am the end of my tether. I have tried:

Using 1 DIMM and using them in different slots - Still won't work at 1600MHz
Updating the BIOS
Resetting all of the BIOS settings to default
Clearing the RTC RAM by moving the jumper

I just cannot fathom what is wrong when this exact RAM was running at 1600MHz a couple of weeks ago, I now get messages saying 'Overclocking failed!' and have to press F1 and set the RAM at 1333MHz so that my PC will actually boot. Help please?
I have an i5 2500K and the RAM is the Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Kit)
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
May 28 2012 15:25 GMT
#22325
On May 28 2012 23:48 MisterJulianMan wrote:
would a 5870 go well with my 2700k or should i just bite the bullet and get a 7850? im planning on upgrading from my current 6770 in a few weeks, the reason i ask is the 5870 is cheaper than the 7850 and would like to keep costs down. ( both would be purchased new)


It depends on what you're doing and what you're expecting. An HD 5870 is nothing to sneeze at, unless you're looking to max out every setting for the newest games. If you're just playing SC2, even an HD 5870 isn't going to be fully utilized.

Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 15:45:50
May 28 2012 15:44 GMT
#22326
I'm thinking about getting another 460 GTX and run SLI so i can have 3 screen. The only thing that worries me is if my PSU can handle it or not. My current specc is:
PSU: 620 watt
CPU: Intel I5 760
RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1600mhz
HDD: One 320gb and one 650gb.
DVD, and card reader
3 case fans
GPU: Geforce 460 GTX 1gb
Soundcard: Asus Xonar Essence STX

"!@€#" - as some guy said
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 28 2012 15:57 GMT
#22327
If you just want to be able to run a third screen, you can get something cheaper than a GTX 460, but not if you want to run SLI.

It depends on the model of the power supply. If it can do around 620W safely, then it's okay. Not everything actually works as advertised. Most power supplies that are 620W, that people buy, are probably Seasonic S12II or M12II, Antec Neo Eco or High Current Gamer, or a particular older model by Corsair or Silver Power. If it's one of the above, it's manufactured by Seasonic and can be expected to actually power what you want to run easily.
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
May 28 2012 16:49 GMT
#22328
On May 29 2012 00:57 Myrmidon wrote:
If you just want to be able to run a third screen, you can get something cheaper than a GTX 460, but not if you want to run SLI.

It depends on the model of the power supply. If it can do around 620W safely, then it's okay. Not everything actually works as advertised. Most power supplies that are 620W, that people buy, are probably Seasonic S12II or M12II, Antec Neo Eco or High Current Gamer, or a particular older model by Corsair or Silver Power. If it's one of the above, it's manufactured by Seasonic and can be expected to actually power what you want to run easily.

I opened up to check and saw i had a Corsair 620 watt HX PSU. I guess i will be fine then. I can get a 460 gtx for 40$ so i think it is worth it. Thanks for your help!
"!@€#" - as some guy said
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 28 2012 16:51 GMT
#22329
On May 29 2012 01:49 Weson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 00:57 Myrmidon wrote:
If you just want to be able to run a third screen, you can get something cheaper than a GTX 460, but not if you want to run SLI.

It depends on the model of the power supply. If it can do around 620W safely, then it's okay. Not everything actually works as advertised. Most power supplies that are 620W, that people buy, are probably Seasonic S12II or M12II, Antec Neo Eco or High Current Gamer, or a particular older model by Corsair or Silver Power. If it's one of the above, it's manufactured by Seasonic and can be expected to actually power what you want to run easily.

I opened up to check and saw i had a Corsair 620 watt HX PSU. I guess i will be fine then. I can get a 460 gtx for 40$ so i think it is worth it. Thanks for your help!


Yeah, I ran SLI 460s on a TX 650, with an i7 930, OCed. Never had an issue, even under full absurd load thermal testing with P95 and Furmark, so you'll be fine with that.

MisterJulianMan
Profile Joined May 2012
19 Posts
May 28 2012 16:51 GMT
#22330
On May 29 2012 00:25 jacosajh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 23:48 MisterJulianMan wrote:
would a 5870 go well with my 2700k or should i just bite the bullet and get a 7850? im planning on upgrading from my current 6770 in a few weeks, the reason i ask is the 5870 is cheaper than the 7850 and would like to keep costs down. ( both would be purchased new)


It depends on what you're doing and what you're expecting. An HD 5870 is nothing to sneeze at, unless you're looking to max out every setting for the newest games. If you're just playing SC2, even an HD 5870 isn't going to be fully utilized.

looking to play most modern games @ 1080p near maxed including starcraft 2. if i dont need that much power what are some good price/performance cards around the 200$ area. (and i dont like nvidia had bad experiences with them)
Milgauss
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore15 Posts
May 28 2012 17:09 GMT
#22331
looking to play most modern games @ 1080p near maxed including starcraft 2. if i dont need that much power what are some good price/performance cards around the 200$ area. (and i dont like nvidia had bad experiences with them)


you should get the MSI radeon 6870, its only 200 bucks and its really good.For the $200 price range that you are suggesting. I would say that hands down the 6870 is the way to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127560

But if you want to chip in a few more dollars , you could buy the nvidia gtx 560ti

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604

But i would still recommend the Radeon 6870. Awesome for its price.
I threw the kitchen sink at em but he went to the bathroom and got the tub
Wild Weasel
Profile Joined January 2012
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 17:24:11
May 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#22332
Except isn't the MSI version like the Hawk and Twin Frozr usually for heavy overclocks? Which the 6870 isn't very good at. And last I heard, you could get a Sapphire 6950, a more powerful GPU for $200, unless that sale has ended. Also, the 7850 has already replaced the 560Ti at the $250 pricepoint, no?

EDIT: If you still want a cheaper 6870, they're still good price/performance last I heard
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
May 28 2012 17:48 GMT
#22333
Anybody know what could be causing this issue?

I got a new replacement motherboard recently after my old one bummed out (Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3). The new motherboard was the same model as well. The RAM was working fine this morning. I rebooted my computer and now the PC won't boot. THE DRAM_LED on my board is lit up. I quickly realised that my PC would only boot when the RAM is set to 1333MHz. If I try to use 1600MHz, the DRAM_LED is lit up and my monitor is just black (as though my PC isn't even on). I have tried a lot of things and I am the end of my tether. I have tried:

Using 1 DIMM and using them in different slots - Still won't work at 1600MHz
Updating the BIOS
Resetting all of the BIOS settings to default
Clearing the RTC RAM by moving the jumper

I just cannot fathom what is wrong when this exact RAM was running at 1600MHz a couple of weeks ago, I now get messages saying 'Overclocking failed!' and have to press F1 and set the RAM at 1333MHz so that my PC will actually boot. Help please?
I have an i5 2500K and the RAM is the Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Kit)
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 28 2012 17:51 GMT
#22334
On May 29 2012 02:48 Mackem wrote:
Anybody know what could be causing this issue?

I got a new replacement motherboard recently after my old one bummed out (Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3). The new motherboard was the same model as well. The RAM was working fine this morning. I rebooted my computer and now the PC won't boot. THE DRAM_LED on my board is lit up. I quickly realised that my PC would only boot when the RAM is set to 1333MHz. If I try to use 1600MHz, the DRAM_LED is lit up and my monitor is just black (as though my PC isn't even on). I have tried a lot of things and I am the end of my tether. I have tried:

Using 1 DIMM and using them in different slots - Still won't work at 1600MHz
Updating the BIOS
Resetting all of the BIOS settings to default
Clearing the RTC RAM by moving the jumper

I just cannot fathom what is wrong when this exact RAM was running at 1600MHz a couple of weeks ago, I now get messages saying 'Overclocking failed!' and have to press F1 and set the RAM at 1333MHz so that my PC will actually boot. Help please?
I have an i5 2500K and the RAM is the Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Kit)


Sounds like your memory or IMC voltage is a tad low. That's the problem with RAM, it's frequently not tested for voltage and speed at the same time.
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
May 28 2012 17:52 GMT
#22335
It's just seems strange that everything is set the same as it was on the old motherboard and yet it won't run at 1600MHz like it's meant to. So what setting(s) should I change in the UEFI to try and sort this?
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 28 2012 17:55 GMT
#22336
On May 29 2012 02:52 Mackem wrote:
It's just seems strange that everything is set the same as it was on the old motherboard and yet it won't run at 1600MHz like it's meant to. So what setting(s) should I change in the UEFI to try and sort this?


The real question is how much difference you think it makes? It's probably a BIOS revision related thing with the new motherboard causing the issues. You can try tweaking your RAM voltage up a notch, and see if it works then. Or you can run it at 1333 because unless you're zipping and unzipping or transcoding for money, the difference is pretty negligible.
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
May 28 2012 17:57 GMT
#22337
Hmm, I know the difference is negligible, I was just more confused about the RAM working before at that speed and not working now. Thing is that annoys me is every now and again for some reason the frequency resets itself so then I have to open the side panel and press the button etc.

It's more frustration-related than performance related.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 28 2012 18:00 GMT
#22338
On May 29 2012 02:57 Mackem wrote:
Hmm, I know the difference is negligible, I was just more confused about the RAM working before at that speed and not working now. Thing is that annoys me is every now and again for some reason the frequency resets itself so then I have to open the side panel and press the button etc.

It's more frustration-related than performance related.


Well, the reset thing could be CMOS battery related. You shouldn't have the BIOS resetting itself unless you're messing with settings and have some sort of OC recovery tool in the BIOS.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 28 2012 18:55 GMT
#22339
I only play SC2 and LoL. I don't really like video games besides those and am completely fine playing on lowest settings (prefer it actually)

On my mothers computer, its a dual core with integrated graphics, I got 60 fps even in 4v4 maxed battles on lowest settings.

If I was to get something like this,

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E256550.desc.Acer-DesktopCore-i7-4GB-RAM-1TB-HD-with-Windows-7

I'd imagine I'd get the 60+ fps on lowest graphics and be able to stream right?

It's probably not the best deal, but the 5 payment thing is very very convenient + the warranty system for qvc is pretty good.

i mean, i have a ati 4850, but i dunno if the wattage, case size, or MB would allow me to swap it.

any thoughts on this?
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
May 28 2012 20:42 GMT
#22340
Hi, I was very pleased with the help i got from here a few months ago for building a new pc. I'm now gonna build a secondary one, since i won a inwin maelstorm case.

What is your budget?

Around €1,500. But i've won a inwin maelstorm case, so i would like to use it.

What is your resolution?

A new monitor is needed, the higher the better i guess? A good sized monitor for gaming.

What are you using it for?

Gaming, no streaming. All types of games. Mostly SC2, Diablo3.

What is your upgrade cycle?

No upgrading planned. Probably 2y orso before i buy new one.

When do you plan on building it?

Now

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no idea

Where are you buying your parts from?

alternate.nl, hardwareversand.de or other firms that deliver to belgium
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