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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 13:17:23
May 27 2012 08:01 GMT
#22281
OMG OMG OMG Intel fucked us over on ivy bridge. You can hit 5Ghz on air after some modification to the heat spreader(on the cpu itself). Intel used CHEAP thermal paste instead of flux-less solder to mount the heat spreader to the cpu which is the reason IB sucks OC'ing. They say that the Clock limit didn't change for each voltage however the thermal headroom let them take the voltage to 1.55v at 5ghz.

They used a Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E.

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/sebuncha/20120511_532119.html
ITS IN JAPANESE.

i7-3770k after heat spreader was took off. See the Cheap thermal paste?
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Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 10:00:12
May 27 2012 09:57 GMT
#22282
On May 27 2012 16:35 Stiluz wrote:
I'm getting my new computer parts next week (really psyched about it!) and I'll be building it myself. Would anyone know of any good step-by-step guides for assembling the computer? I've done it before, but it's been many years since, and I'd like to not fuck up :-)

Neweggs guide
Hardware Canucks guide
Both of these will be fine for guides. You will be doing alot of consulting your manuals for help aswell.
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
May 27 2012 11:59 GMT
#22283
On May 27 2012 18:57 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 16:35 Stiluz wrote:
I'm getting my new computer parts next week (really psyched about it!) and I'll be building it myself. Would anyone know of any good step-by-step guides for assembling the computer? I've done it before, but it's been many years since, and I'd like to not fuck up :-)

Neweggs guide
Hardware Canucks guide
Both of these will be fine for guides. You will be doing alot of consulting your manuals for help aswell.


Thank you!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#22284
That sapphire 7950 OC is giving me some problems. Full length cards fit inside Sonata cases, but because of the super awesome plastic design in the back

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It can't be adjusted to fit. The question is whether to hammer in the hard drive cage or try to saw off some of the plastic on the card...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 13:19:19
May 27 2012 13:16 GMT
#22285
On May 27 2012 22:09 Shauni wrote:
That sapphire 7950 OC is giving me some problems. Full length cards fit inside Sonata cases, but because of the super awesome plastic design in the back

[image loading]

It can't be adjusted to fit. The question is whether to hammer in the hard drive cage or try to saw off some of the plastic on the card...


Hammer TIME! How plastic looks after you saw it is terrible.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 27 2012 13:30 GMT
#22286
If you're willing to mod the drive cage, I'd suggest cutting it, instead of smashing it, personally. Then just cover sharp edges with like, RTV silicon. Stuff is great for case modding and vibration dampening.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
May 27 2012 13:36 GMT
#22287
i'd rather hammer my case instead of hammering my 500 bucks gpu. just my thought.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 27 2012 13:37 GMT
#22288
On May 27 2012 22:36 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
i'd rather hammer my case instead of hammering my 500 bucks gpu. just my thought.


Yeah. I'm less likely to RMA a case anyway. Be kind of awkward to carve up the GPU like a turkey and then need to RMA later for whatever random ass reason.
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
May 27 2012 15:51 GMT
#22289
Hi guys. I can't copy and paste the guideline on my phone, but I'll write it out

I'm in need of a new mobo CPU and ram. I have a gtx560ti twin frozr ii by msi with an antec 900 case 750 watt psu. I want to keep the total under 450$. I'd like to overclock which leads me to believe I need a 2500k, but I'd like to not have to upgrade for a few years. I also need a keyboard recommendation, under 115$ I have a g11 but it's broken. I enjoy the feel of those keys.
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 16:29:14
May 27 2012 16:27 GMT
#22290
I've had my PC for going on 5 years now but I simply cannot deal with 10 FPS on Diablo 3 anymore. I have a general idea what I'm doing with computers but I'd rather get outside help so nothing gets screwed up. I want to get a completely new computer.

===

What is your budget?

Around $1,000.

What is your resolution?

1680 x 1050 and I play Diablo/SC2 in windowed fullscreen.

What are you using it for?

Gaming. I'd like to be able to stream with no problems as well. I use Photoshop occasionally as well. Other stuff includes WordPress, Audacity, and making .gifs.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Well, since I had my previous PC for about 5 years, I'm not an upgrade fiend. I had made various tweaks to it, including a new processor (AMD Phenom quad-core 3.0 ghz) but it's something I had to do out of necessity.

When do you plan on building it?

Now

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Not sure what these are, so probably no.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I'm in the US, so wherever I can get decent parts shipped to me at an affordable rate. Thinking NewEgg.

===

On a related note, does anyone have any thoughts on IBuyPower.com and Cyberpowerpc.com? They were recommended to me by a friend because I want to avoid having to build the computer myself if possible.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 16:41:08
May 27 2012 16:28 GMT
#22291
On May 28 2012 00:51 ranshaked wrote:
Hi guys. I can't copy and paste the guideline on my phone, but I'll write it out

I'm in need of a new mobo CPU and ram. I have a gtx560ti twin frozr ii by msi with an antec 900 case 750 watt psu. I want to keep the total under 450$. I'd like to overclock which leads me to believe I need a 2500k, but I'd like to not have to upgrade for a few years. I also need a keyboard recommendation, under 115$ I have a g11 but it's broken. I enjoy the feel of those keys.

Any reason to prefer the i5-2500k over the newer i5-3570k? You may as well just get Ivy Bridge.

Here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.910439
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313255

If you have unreasonable (burning chips) overclocking in mind, you may want a higher-end motherboard. Otherwise that should be okay. I checked around, and it looks like even the AsRock Z75 Pro3 has the usual auto voltage and offset voltage settings, auxiliary voltage settings, and so on. It's not like you need hardcore VRMs to handle a workable OC on Ivy Bridge, since that would still draw less power than something like a Phenom II X4.

Logitech G11 uses rubber dome switches IIRC, not particularly the favorite of many, but if you like it, just be aware that you won't get that type of response from the mechanical switch keyboards that are popular. Maybe you should just go with another Logitech, no idea which model.



On May 28 2012 01:27 Crashburn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I've had my PC for going on 5 years now but I simply cannot deal with 10 FPS on Diablo 3 anymore. I have a general idea what I'm doing with computers but I'd rather get outside help so nothing gets screwed up. I want to get a completely new computer.

===

What is your budget?

Around $1,000.

What is your resolution?

1680 x 1050 and I play Diablo/SC2 in windowed fullscreen.

What are you using it for?

Gaming. I'd like to be able to stream with no problems as well. I use Photoshop occasionally as well. Other stuff includes WordPress, Audacity, and making .gifs.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Well, since I had my previous PC for about 5 years, I'm not an upgrade fiend. I had made various tweaks to it, including a new processor (AMD Phenom quad-core 3.0 ghz) but it's something I had to do out of necessity.

When do you plan on building it?

Now

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Not sure what these are, so probably no.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I'm in the US, so wherever I can get decent parts shipped to me at an affordable rate. Thinking NewEgg.

===

On a related note, does anyone have any thoughts on IBuyPower.com and Cyberpowered.com? They were recommended to me by a friend because I want to avoid having to build the computer myself if possible.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

If you like getting ripped off a bit, having a shorter warranty on stuff, and having flaky power supplies and other components, there are sometimes some okay deals from IBuyPower or CyberPower. Not recommended usually, unless you have way more money than time. And if you did, there are higher-end boutiques to order from.

You can just use this build [slightly edited] I posted earlier:
+ Show Spoiler [i5-3550 build] +
Core i5-3550
AsRock B75 Pro3 - $270 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.909999

Team 2 x 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM - $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313255

Gigabyte GTX 460 - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB
Samsung CD / DVD burner - $77 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.936994

Intel 330 120GB - $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121

Rosewill Capstone 450W
Rosewill Future - $105 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.915283

Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit OEM - $100 (but with $20 promo gift card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986


You can consider a better video card as well, but you won't need it for the games listed. You can just upgrade that if you decide you want to play a newer game a couple years later, if you don't want to drop down the graphics settings. Or just get like an HD 7850 now. You can also upgrade the case to something else. As it is, the current price is under $1000 without much benefit to spending much more.
1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
May 27 2012 16:41 GMT
#22292
On May 16 2012 23:43 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 22:53 1ManArmy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
Try to get a nice system for around 650 euro, since i will have to buy a new monitor/speakers/mouse/keyboard aswell. I try to end up around/under 900 euro

What is your resolution?
1920 * 1080 is the plan

What are you using it for?
The main thing will be gaming. Not only sc2/diablo3 but also some upcoming games that might be a little more taxing on the GPU. Ofcourse also some usual word/excel type of stuff will happen on it , but not things like video rendering etc.
Streaming would be nice as an extra, but totally optional.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I plan on using it for a long time, like 5 years.

When do you plan on building it?
This month

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.azerty.nl

I already assembled a few things myself but not entirely sure how good it is (especially the motherboard/ram/psu are kinda randomly chosen)
The PC build


If anyone knows a good monitor for me (20,21,22 inch with HDMI for around 150 euro) plz enlighten me
The HDMI is for hooking up a PS3


i5-3450 €173
http://azerty.nl/8-2532-485286/intel-core-i5-3450-3-1-ghz-.html

ASRock H77M €72
http://azerty.nl/8-2528-498015/asrock-h77m-moederbord-mic.html

Kingston ValueRAM 8GB (2x4GB) 1333mhz 1.5v €43
http://azerty.nl/0-749-230178/kingston-valueram-geheugen-8-gb-2-x-4-gb-dimm-240-pins-ddr3-1333-mhz-pc3-10600-cl9-1-5-v-niet-gebufferd-ni.html

XFX 6870 €152
http://azerty.nl/8-2963-388654/xfx-radeon-hd-6870-grafische.html

Corsair CX430 €43
http://azerty.nl/8-1073-410215/corsair-builder-series-cx430-v.html

Samsung DVD Burner €16
http://azerty.nl/8-862-477517/samsung-sh-222bb-schijfstati.html

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB €72
http://azerty.nl/8-857-5545/wd-caviar-blue-wd5000aaks-va.html

Antec One Hundred Mid Tower €50
http://azerty.nl/8-1044-357034/antec-one-hundred-midtowermo.html

Total €621

As for monitors it goes like this, Its either u spend 215 for a Dell ultrasharp or you get a cheaper one that just looks good.
http://azerty.nl/2-1054-442116/dell-ultrasharp-u2212hm-led-.html




I think i'm almost ready to order, but i just wanted a final check before making the biggest purchase of my life
I managed to hit my budget of 900,- precisely, with a nice mix of products that i like and that are recommended.
I just need some confirmation to feel confident to buy this :D
Here's my build (thanks to the nifty tool that takes shippingcosts in account <3 )
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Wouldst thou receive my all-in, cousin? - Choya
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
May 27 2012 16:46 GMT
#22293
On May 28 2012 01:28 Myrmidon wrote:

If you like getting ripped off a bit, having a shorter warranty on stuff, and having flaky power supplies and other components, there are sometimes some okay deals from IBuyPower or CyberPower. Not recommended usually, unless you have way more money than time. And if you did, there are higher-end boutiques to order from.

You can just use this build [slightly edited] I posted earlier:
+ Show Spoiler [i5-3550 build] +
Core i5-3550
AsRock B75 Pro3 - $270 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.909999

Team 2 x 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM - $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313255

Gigabyte GTX 460 - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB
Samsung CD / DVD burner - $77 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.936994

Intel 330 120GB - $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121

Rosewill Capstone 450W
Rosewill Future - $105 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.915283

Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit OEM - $100 (but with $20 promo gift card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986


You can consider a better video card as well, but you won't need it for the games listed. You can just upgrade that if you decide you want to play a newer game a couple years later, if you don't want to drop down the graphics settings. Or just get like an HD 7850 now. You can also upgrade the case to something else. As it is, the current price is under $1000 without much benefit to spending much more.


haha @ italics

Thanks for the quick reply and helpful links! Going to check them all out now.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
May 28 2012 00:16 GMT
#22294
On May 28 2012 01:46 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 01:28 Myrmidon wrote:

If you like getting ripped off a bit, having a shorter warranty on stuff, and having flaky power supplies and other components, there are sometimes some okay deals from IBuyPower or CyberPower. Not recommended usually, unless you have way more money than time. And if you did, there are higher-end boutiques to order from.

You can just use this build [slightly edited] I posted earlier:
+ Show Spoiler [i5-3550 build] +
Core i5-3550
AsRock B75 Pro3 - $270 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.909999

Team 2 x 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM - $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313255

Gigabyte GTX 460 - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB
Samsung CD / DVD burner - $77 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.936994

Intel 330 120GB - $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121

Rosewill Capstone 450W
Rosewill Future - $105 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.915283

Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit OEM - $100 (but with $20 promo gift card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986


You can consider a better video card as well, but you won't need it for the games listed. You can just upgrade that if you decide you want to play a newer game a couple years later, if you don't want to drop down the graphics settings. Or just get like an HD 7850 now. You can also upgrade the case to something else. As it is, the current price is under $1000 without much benefit to spending much more.


haha @ italics

Thanks for the quick reply and helpful links! Going to check them all out now.


GTX 460 is BAD value for $140 considering you can get a GTX 560 for ~$155. A 560 is NOT an OC'd 460. 460is based on GF104 and 560 is based off of GF114(i might be backwards in the gf104/gf114 thingy).

Zotac GTX560 $159.99 (129.99AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500225
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 28 2012 01:37 GMT
#22295
The GTX 560 would use a little less power, but it has a blower (noisy) cooling solution. The GTX 460 is clocked at 788MHz (675MHz is nominal and what is tested in reviews) compared to the 820MHz on the GTX 560, while the memory clock speeds are the same. Architectures / CUDA core counts / texture mapping units / ROPs / memory are the same, so it's really down to the clock speed difference, which is very arguably not worth $20 and the noisier cooling?

The GTX 560 may have a little more room for overclocking, but somebody asking is maybe not too likely to pursue heavier GPU overclocks.
eery1
Profile Joined June 2010
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 05:14:09
May 28 2012 05:10 GMT
#22296
Hi guys. I have a quick question: will a graphics card help me run SC2 any faster?

I've been playing for a while on my old pc at like ~15fps and while you can get a macro game out of that I can't micro for shit so I lose a lot of even battles just cuz I can't micro. Anyway, here are the specs (Yeah, hella old yaddah yaddah. Haha, it's a miracle it even works at all ).

Pentium4 524 (P) HT 3.06 GHz
ECS RC410-M motherboard (so it has one PCI x16 slot open)
2.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM
ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for Intel Processors (that's the stock graphics chip)

I'm a student and I'm running on basically no budget but my friend's willing to sell me his HD 4670 for around $45 (price converted to dollars) or I can pick up a brand new HD 5450 around here for around $35. Would getting either card be worth getting? I just wanna run at the lowest specs with 60 fps. Honestly, I don't even know if I can use either of those card cuz the RAM is DDR2 which is basically obsolete by now, yeah (dunno if that even affects anything but I was checking the requirements for the cards and they were saying DDR3 RAM so I was just guessing)? So, if not, would you happen to know of any other options for me (besides getting a new PC)? Thanks.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 05:18:57
May 28 2012 05:18 GMT
#22297
Either graphics card would help, but you're still not going to run anything close to 60 fps when trying to micro during battles. If that's your goal, you won't get close to that without spending significantly more money.

More than HD 5450 is probably a waste for that system, but the HD 4670 is much better than that, and the money is going to a friend anyway, so the HD 4670 sounds fine to me.

To use a processor made in the last six years, you'll need a motherboard upgrade. However, if you can find a Pentium D for very cheap, that may be compatible with the RC410-M, and it would be a little better. Check the manufacturer's website, particularly if it's from an HP system or something like that.
http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1/motherboards/socket775/ecs_RC410-M_cpu.shtml
eery1
Profile Joined June 2010
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 05:32:33
May 28 2012 05:27 GMT
#22298
Thanks Myrmidon! Theoretically will the 5450 and 4670 have a big difference given my system and the fact that I'll just be playing at low res? I'd rather buy the brand new card just cuz it'll have a warranty and stuff. Thanks again!
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 05:31:30
May 28 2012 05:28 GMT
#22299
On May 28 2012 14:10 eery1 wrote:
Hi guys. I have a quick question: will a graphics card help me run SC2 any faster?

I've been playing for a while on my old pc at like ~15fps and while you can get a macro game out of that I can't micro for shit so I lose a lot of even battles just cuz I can't micro. Anyway, here are the specs (Yeah, hella old yaddah yaddah. Haha, it's a miracle it even works at all ).

Pentium4 524 (P) HT 3.06 GHz
ECS RC410-M motherboard (so it has one PCI x16 slot open)
2.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM
ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for Intel Processors (that's the stock graphics chip)

I'm a student and I'm running on basically no budget but my friend's willing to sell me his HD 4670 for around $45 (price converted to dollars) or I can pick up a brand new HD 5450 around here for around $35. Would getting either card be worth getting? I just wanna run at the lowest specs with 60 fps. Honestly, I don't even know if I can use either of those card cuz the RAM is DDR2 which is basically obsolete by now, yeah (dunno if that even affects anything but I was checking the requirements for the cards and they were saying DDR3 RAM so I was just guessing)? So, if not, would you happen to know of any other options for me (besides getting a new PC)? Thanks.


SC2 says minimum system requirements is a 2.6ghz Pentium4 so I guess a graphics card would improve performance.
(I grabbed my sc2 box for that info HELL YEAH Physical Copy!)

I would get an Nvidia card as blizzard optimized SC2 for their drivers.

MSI GT430 $59.99 ($29.99AMIR)
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127602

That is probably the best you can get for $30.

EDIT: NVM, your not in USA... so scrap that.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
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May 28 2012 05:47 GMT
#22300
On May 28 2012 14:27 eery1 wrote:
Thanks Myrmidon! Theoretically will the 5450 and 4670 have a big difference given my system and the fact that I'll just be playing at low res? I'd rather buy the brand new card just cuz it'll have a warranty and stuff. Thanks again!

Sorry for the confusion. There's a big difference between the graphics cards, but there will be very little or almost no difference for your situation because (1) you are playing on lowest settings, (2) you are playing SC2 and not some other games, and (3) your CPU is very slow.
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