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On May 26 2012 00:52 Womwomwom wrote:
The cheapest board on Newegg is around $200, around $100 more than your typical LGA1155 board. And that's a board with only 4x DIMM slots, instead of the 8x DIMM slots that make the socket worthwhile.
And of course "cheapest" and "enthusiast socket" tends to be a really stupid idea anyways.
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That looks okay. PSU is priced well but out of stock I think? You're way under 550W, so you could take the 450W model if you wanted.
GTX 550 Ti is overpriced in general. HD 6850 is slightly more expensive and considerably better. But considering that you're just talking about Blizzard games (which run better on Nvidia anyway and don't require too much graphics power), and that the GTX 550 Ti is factory overclocked, it is fine.
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=619301
The case is needlessly large, expensive, has too many fans, etc. If you want it, it's probably okay though.
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What is your budget?
Around 1000 euros, I can stretch to about 1200 euros if it is worth the money
What is your resolution?
1920×1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming, pretty new games.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years.
When do you plan on building it?
Maybe one or two months from now.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't know how to do it, but if it is required to build a good pc, then i will figure out how to do it. I don't plan on it.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, Windows.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in Sweden, but i don't know any good sites or stores that i can buy from. Maybe http://www.komplett.se will do.
Please reply with a good build, and thank you in advance.
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What would be better for streaming? Going from i5-3570K to i7-3770K or going from GTX 570 to GTX 670?
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Would someone be so kind to review my build? 
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I wanted to end up at 900 euro, but slightly went over that 
Around page 1101-1103 i already asked for help, but i had to change some things since i forgot to take into account a network card. I also decided i could settle for a 500 gb HDD in favor of a better gpu, that only needs one 6 pin instead of 2, which was the case for the 6870.
I got worried about the PSU though, since my build will probably use around 380 watt on full load, but 430 watt is pretty close to that especially since im not sure how much watt is on the 12v rail.., it might deteriorate over the years and be insufficient right? so i added the 500w model.
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So I'm thinking about building a new PC within the next few months because my friend is offering me some cash for my current PC and I feel like it's time for an upgrade anyway (most of the components are about 2 years old or so).
I'll list my current specs so that you guys know what I want to upgrade from. (My current setup can handle streaming some games but not at consistent 60fps and usually only at the lowest settings. I also get general FPS issues in many other games, even without streaming.)
Intel i5 750 @2.67 GHz 8MB L3 Cache
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600
Radeon 5770 HD 1GB DDR5
motherboard is an MSI H55M-E33.
Hardware Survey:
What is your budget?
Target range is $800-1000, maybe even a bit higher depending on what's available.
Also I haven't actually bought/built a new PC totally from scratch in a long time, I've just been upgrading the parts to a 2004 Alienware Aurora system every 2-3 years or so and now all that is left from the original is the tower and DVD drives. But since my friend is going to buy my entire PC, I'll need a new tower/power supply/dvd drive as well. The only things I'm not selling are my hard drives, peripherals, and monitors.
What is your resolution?
1920×1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming, STREAMING (HD sc2 @ 60fps medium settings at least, some other games too like d3, tribes, dota 2 etc), adobe stuff
What is your upgrade cycle?
About 2 years but it depends on what deals/tech become available and how much money I make.
When do you plan on building it?
Probably within 3-6 weeks
Do you plan on overclocking?
Not really, at least not for a while.
Do you need an Operating System?
Nope, already have win 7 ultimate
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Not unless it is a cost-effective way to solve my streaming needs
Where are you buying your parts from?
USA, so Newegg and TigerDirect most likely.
Any advice is greatly appreciated, I haven't really kept up with desktop hardware news for a while so I'm not really sure what the best options for me are right now. One last thing I'd like some tips about are SSDs, right now I have a few 7200rpm SATA drives but depending on price and practicality I'd be willing to consider running my OS from an SSD or something.
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On May 25 2012 22:33 iKill[ShocK] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:50 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 25 2012 20:47 iTzSnypah wrote:On May 25 2012 20:39 Shauni wrote:
pumps make noise and radiators need fans as well. Sure it can become more silent, but more expensive and at a risk of leakage. The risk of leakage on a properly installed system is miniscule. The water pressure of a whole system isn't enough to make a hose slip off the nipple even WITH the clamp took off. How often do you have to cycle out the liquid when you use a closed loop? Thanks. Closed loops as in Corsair H series and Antec Kuhler series? None, warranty is very likely voided if you do.
I meant the custom ones I guess. Aren't those still considered closed loop?
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On May 26 2012 12:29 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:33 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On May 25 2012 21:50 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 25 2012 20:47 iTzSnypah wrote:On May 25 2012 20:39 Shauni wrote:
pumps make noise and radiators need fans as well. Sure it can become more silent, but more expensive and at a risk of leakage. The risk of leakage on a properly installed system is miniscule. The water pressure of a whole system isn't enough to make a hose slip off the nipple even WITH the clamp took off. How often do you have to cycle out the liquid when you use a closed loop? Thanks. Closed loops as in Corsair H series and Antec Kuhler series? None, warranty is very likely voided if you do. I meant the custom ones I guess. Aren't those still considered closed loop?
No, they go by "custom" loops. Closed roop refers to self enclosed all-in-one solutions, that are shitty, overpriced, or both.
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On May 26 2012 12:29 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 22:33 iKill[ShocK] wrote:On May 25 2012 21:50 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 25 2012 20:47 iTzSnypah wrote:On May 25 2012 20:39 Shauni wrote:
pumps make noise and radiators need fans as well. Sure it can become more silent, but more expensive and at a risk of leakage. The risk of leakage on a properly installed system is miniscule. The water pressure of a whole system isn't enough to make a hose slip off the nipple even WITH the clamp took off. How often do you have to cycle out the liquid when you use a closed loop? Thanks. Closed loops as in Corsair H series and Antec Kuhler series? None, warranty is very likely voided if you do. I meant the custom ones I guess. Aren't those still considered closed loop?
Every 18-24months. Or if the liquid turns green.
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What if the liquid is dyed green 
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Hey guys I am back again to make another computer this time for another cousin after finishing one today. I have some leftover parts, a 500gb western digital harddrive and a fractal design core 1000 case. I was wondering if you guys can suggest me some other parts that fit the given case so I can make another computer for gaming purposes.
What is your budget?
Less than $400 for the remaining parts.
What is your resolution?
1440x900
What are you using it for?
Gaming for Sc2, D3
What is your upgrade cycle?
About 3 years.
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope
Do you need an Operating System?
Nope
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, Tigerdirect, Amazon, NCIX
Thank you.
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A friend of mine just sent me his build with a couple questions that I'm not really qualified to answer so I figured I'd bring them here...He's wondering if he should go for a more powerful CPU than the i3, and if so should it be i5 or i7? Also, hes worried about this upgrade warranting a better power supply. The rig would be used for gaming and general college work stuff, I don't anticipate him really going for overclocking or anything fancy. Thanks, let me know if I need to include any more information .
CPU Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor
Motherboard ASRock P67 PRO3 SE ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory
Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
Case Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Monitor Dell E2211H 21.5" Monitor
Keyboard Microsoft B2L-00002 Wired Ergonomic Keyboard
Mouse Razer Abyssus Mirror Special Edition Wired Optical Mouse
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On May 26 2012 14:18 MattLz wrote:A friend of mine just sent me his build with a couple questions that I'm not really qualified to answer so I figured I'd bring them here...He's wondering if he should go for a more powerful CPU than the i3, and if so should it be i5 or i7? Also, hes worried about this upgrade warranting a better power supply. The rig would be used for gaming and general college work stuff, I don't anticipate him really going for overclocking or anything fancy. Thanks, let me know if I need to include any more information . CPU Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor Motherboard ASRock P67 PRO3 SE ATX LGA1155 Motherboard Memory PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card Case Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer Monitor Dell E2211H 21.5" Monitor Keyboard Microsoft B2L-00002 Wired Ergonomic Keyboard Mouse Razer Abyssus Mirror Special Edition Wired Optical Mouse
Everything looks good, except for the motherboard, you dont need a P67 if you're not gonna overclock, get a H61/H67 motherboard , he doesn't need a power supply. If he wants a better CPU he should get a i5 2500k/3570k
also it would be better if you/he answered the question in the OP
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What is your budget?
$500
What is your resolution?
1366x768
What are you using it for?
Gaming; more specifically: SC2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, and Dota 2. Some lesser strenuous games: Warcraft 3 and Perfect World International
What is your upgrade cycle?
4 years
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP
Do you plan on overclocking?
No
Do you need an Operating System?
I'm guessing I can just download one, I don't want it to strain my budget. If not I'll just pay out with my own money (not from the $500 budget).
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I'm in the United States. Anywhere online is generally fine like newegg.com, microcenter (online or locally), or whatever else is cheaper.
Edit: I thought I'd just add I already have a monitor.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-X183H-18-5-Inch-LCD-Monitor/dp/B001ER6CCI
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Hey folks, I need a quick advice.
I'm renovating my brother's computer.
He runs:
Motherboard: Asrock Alivenf6g-vsta
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core 4000+ 2.11GHz
RAM: 2Gb (2x1gb) not sure which clock, gonna check when I shut down, if neccessary
Display: 1920 x 1080
His graphics card died, so the computer runs on the integrated graphics card now.
I will probably get rid of the RAM I have, and buy 2x2 GB (because I already had problems with these sticks of RAM, they're different manufacturer, maybe different clock, and I had to put them on different channels).
My question is: I want to buy a graphics card, what is the best graphics card I can get for around $50?
Is there an auto-pick in this price range? I would maybe choose to spend slightly more than $50, but the prices are also higher in Croatia, so aim for below $50 please. I want to be able to play SC2, minimum settings is fine.
(I will probably be buying it here:
http://protis.hr/products/index/graficke-kartice/90?filter=bcMQA1ADgAOAB8AH4AfAB8AH4AfABQAEMASQBlACAAeAAxADYAfAB-AHwAUwBhAGIAaQByAG4AaQBjAGEAfAAkAHwALQAyAHwAfgB8ADMAfAB-AHwAMgAwADAAIAAtACAANAA5ADkAfAB-AHwAQwBpAGoAZQBuAGEA
The price I'm looking for is below 300,00 kn there)
Thanks in advance!
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On May 12 2012 01:57 skyR wrote:
There won't be much benefit for SLI at 1080p. You'd need to play on absolutely max settings or at Eyefinity resolutions to see tangible benefits.
650w is more than sufficient, you can even get by with a 550w unit for such a setup.
Well you were right that I can't find the GTX 680 anywhere in stock.
I see a 670 here at newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787
It says it is the FTW version which I'm not sure what that is but I doubt it is too different.
Back about this though--I know a single 670 will handle games like SC2 and Diablo III with no problem.
But I also play games like Crysis and Battlefield 3--and would like to max out all settings at 1920x1200.
For that will I need two cards?
Thanks.
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On May 27 2012 01:04 Jayde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 01:57 skyR wrote:
There won't be much benefit for SLI at 1080p. You'd need to play on absolutely max settings or at Eyefinity resolutions to see tangible benefits.
650w is more than sufficient, you can even get by with a 550w unit for such a setup. Well you were right that I can't find the GTX 680 anywhere in stock. I see a 670 here at newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787It says it is the FTW version which I'm not sure what that is but I doubt it is too different. Back about this though--I know a single 670 will handle games like SC2 and Diablo III with no problem. But I also play games like Crysis and Battlefield 3--and would like to max out all settings at 1920x1200. For that will I need two cards? Thanks.
Do you need more than low levels of AA and AF? Can you describe what they both do? In particular, can you give a brief executive summary of HOW AA does what it does, without getting too technical? If not, and you're not playing on a 32"+ display at that resolution, you probably won't actually see much benefit to "truly" maxing settings.
A single 670 should let you get 60ish FPS reasonably close to full maxed, unless there's bizarre driver issues. If you're using a 120hz display, you'd want more GPU horsepower to lock in at 120 FPS.
Also, beyond the lower levels of AA/AF, most games with tech demo syndrome are fast-paced enough that you won't see the benefits while you're really playing them. Just when you stop to look.
Take it from someone who loves playing with shit like that. You get severe diminishing returns per dollar when you aim for true max vs maxed enough. If you just want to, go for it, but there's not much value to the average user if they don't enjoy benching and e-peen wars.
http://jinglehelltech.blogspot.com/2011/10/anti-aliasing-gpu-murder-justified-or.html
There's some comparative screenies in there, I did a write-up on pretty much this specific thing a while back. It will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Bearing in mind that we're talking easily 40-80% more money to go from low levels of AA to maxed AA in most "pretty" games at similar framerates.
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Marshall Islands104 Posts
On May 27 2012 01:09 JingleHell wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2012 01:04 Jayde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 01:57 skyR wrote:
There won't be much benefit for SLI at 1080p. You'd need to play on absolutely max settings or at Eyefinity resolutions to see tangible benefits.
650w is more than sufficient, you can even get by with a 550w unit for such a setup. Well you were right that I can't find the GTX 680 anywhere in stock. I see a 670 here at newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787It says it is the FTW version which I'm not sure what that is but I doubt it is too different. Back about this though--I know a single 670 will handle games like SC2 and Diablo III with no problem. But I also play games like Crysis and Battlefield 3--and would like to max out all settings at 1920x1200. For that will I need two cards? Thanks. Do you need more than low levels of AA and AF? Can you describe what they both do? In particular, can you give a brief executive summary of HOW AA does what it does, without getting too technical? If not, and you're not playing on a 32"+ display at that resolution, you probably won't actually see much benefit to "truly" maxing settings. A single 670 should let you get 60ish FPS reasonably close to full maxed, unless there's bizarre driver issues. If you're using a 120hz display, you'd want more GPU horsepower to lock in at 120 FPS. Also, beyond the lower levels of AA/AF, most games with tech demo syndrome are fast-paced enough that you won't see the benefits while you're really playing them. Just when you stop to look. Take it from someone who loves playing with shit like that. You get severe diminishing returns per dollar when you aim for true max vs maxed enough. If you just want to, go for it, but there's not much value to the average user if they don't enjoy benching and e-peen wars. http://jinglehelltech.blogspot.com/2011/10/anti-aliasing-gpu-murder-justified-or.htmlThere's some comparative screenies in there, I did a write-up on pretty much this specific thing a while back. It will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Bearing in mind that we're talking easily 40-80% more money to go from low levels of AA to maxed AA in most "pretty" games at similar framerates.
I understand that AA is smoothing angled lines and is done sort of by sampling the colors of surrounding pixels. It takes a significant amount of power to do at high resolutions. My 1920x1200 display is a 24 inch display so fairly average ppi for a monitor (as far as I know).
I am not sure what AF is.
My screen is not 120hz.
The other thing I think of is that I don't want to turn around and upgrade my machine in 1 or 2 years. In other words--is it worth it at all to get 2 cards now and be a little on the 'overkill' side but then still be able to run games 3 years from now?
But then--costs get cheaper as time goes on--so maybe it would be easier just to get a capable PSU now and then buy a new graphics card in 2014 or whenever I deem necessary.
Thanks for you quick reply, by the way. Any more thoughts are welcome.
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