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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
The SC [and future SC2] community might be big compared to other game communities, but globally we are small and working together is much smarter -.- | ||
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Hammy
France828 Posts
On April 04 2009 11:39 GGQ wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2009 11:09 Spartan wrote: Not trying to start a war here or anything, but what exactly do you aim to achieve with your site? Your site is called StarCraft2Forum.org, so from what any outsider would see is that it is just another forum site for StarCraft II fans. There are dozens of sites on the internet, so what will separate SC2F.org from the rest of the pack? TL will keep the old school and take waves upon waves of new students over SC2F.org because of it's sheer almighty presence in the general StarCraft community. There are tens of thousands more people that frequent TL and you can bet that at least 2/3rds of those numbers will play SC2 eventually and they'll tell their friends to visit TL also. SC2F will get a few new people, sure. But how are you going to keep the new people coming in after the initial launch of SC2? And how are you going to keep your current members active? Obviously we all know that the internet is an unpredictable/uncontrollable beast in it's own, but what is common knowledge is that if you can't secure your spot in the race ahaed of time you won't be able to catch up unless you fight back ten-fold. And the leaders of the race more often than not hold a monopoly (ie. Digg, Twitter). I'm assuming you are going to provide the usual, like a map/mod/replay database. There is already a well-established communities for that Staredit.net. As I said before, the name of your site is rather detrimental to it. It lacks flare or uniqueness. No one will quickly associate at the very least as a map/mod/replay site. I think the best move, since from what I quickly deducted that SC2F and ORGnetwork are affiliated closely, is to combine to them. TL is more than just a forum, it is the best source of original StarCraft articles and the latest in professional/competitive gaming news. Again, not trying to start a war. Just offering my point of view and critique on SC2F thus far. Hopefully it will help you assess your goals with SC2F further. If you don't come up with something by the time SC2 launches to attract long-lasting members, then SC2F will just be left behind. Not to speak for him, but I've been looking at his site. It seems like a nice and comfortable environment for casual players to discuss SC2, and it will more than likely stay that way. As long as the admins there enjoy running the website and being a part of their community, I don't see why anyone should have to worry about what 'unique special thing' they will bring to become a top site. But to Jon, I would have to say that it isn't very accurate to say the TL is focused on the old school game while SC2F is looking at the new game. It's more like TL is focused on both SC and SC2; SC just gets more attention here because, well, it's actually a completed game that people can play atm. When SC2 is released, I am sure it will get more discussion here, and if/when it develops its pro-scene, TL will probably continue to be the number one site for pro-scene coverage. I totally agree with this. Jon you seem to be saying that SC2F caters to SC2 (future) fans, and TL.net caters to SC fans but I don't see any SC2 news on your site that I wasn't aware of, or any SC2 related discussions that I haven't already witnessed (or participated in). And TL.net is my only source of SC/SC2 info. However (this is the part where I say I think your site is really good), the way the info is presented is very different. Your front page pretty much sums up most of the SC2 info you need; while on TL you have to dig it out if you don't check the site frequently (and it took me some time to discover how awesome the Pony Express is). This isn't a problem because I DO check TL.net frequently. And that makes me a pretty serious fan, which is why I navigate on TL. So what I'm trying to say is that the distinction isn't about SC2 fan versus SC fan, but serious fan versus more casual fan (generalizing obviously, but the statement still stands). But I'm just repeating what GGQ said. On a second note: The reason i'm posting though, is because someone brought up the interesting question of how each SC/SC2 related site will evolve after SC2 is released. I believe Spartan (not sure it was, i'll check after posting) said that TL.net would have a more pronounced relative growth than the other sites but I doubt that will be the case. Quite the opposite actually. Both will grow rapidly, but the sites that cater to more casual fans will gain popularity faster (despite the fact there are many of them that serve the same purpose), because most of the new blood WILL be very casual players, who will mostly be casual fans, and they won't be interested in who is all-killing in the proleague, but rather what the latest patch did and when the next expansion will be out. And the tone we come to TL.net for might be a tad too serious for those more casual fans. Note that i'm not saying the "more casual fans" are a bunch of 13 year old kids who play whatever is popular. I'm just saying they are more casual than the average current TL.net user. However, the casual players who make up most of the casual fanbase will stop being interested in SC2 when they stop playing (which should be in a pretty long time considering it's a blizzard game). However their numbers will vary faster than the more stable serious-fanbase and that'll be a huge factor in the long run. Basically, in my opinion the SC2 fan sites should hit a spike in popularity when SC2 is released, while TL.net (and sites like it, if there are any), should have a more stable long lasting growth. That being said, the most important part of a community is it's core, and as long as its there, fans will gather around it. And if SC2 takes the same turn as SC:BW, there's no way we could possibly speculate on the next 11 years anyways  . | ||
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LordKerwyn
4 Posts
On April 06 2009 04:45 ghermination wrote: It doesn't seem like a very intelligent thing to do to try to insult a site 1000x larger than yours. Please go away. This right here is what I believe Jon was pointing out as the problem. It is the arrogant/ignorant stance of someone who thinks they are better than you simply because they choose to hang out here (in this instance) versus somewhere else. TL's hardcore fanbase, tournanments, and collection of pro players that hang out here is at the very least, respectable. The curse of being as respectable as TL is, is that it draws a lot of people who act like the person I quoted, who believe just because they choose to hang out here they are gods gift to gaming. In turn this collection of people give off the impression that TL is full of arrogant blowhards that only want to see Sc2 cater to the very elite of Sc players. For example the last time I posted here I noticed two very distinct groups of people, one who respected my opinion because I had obviously thought it out and was willing to disscuss it and another group of people who berated me simply because I wouldn't instantly agree them. Granted, the are people like the latter group on all websites, TL just seems to have a higher proportion of them, or atleast a higher proportion who post. The reason for this, is like I said earlier, TL has (or had depending on point of view) a large amount of respect, and that much respect tends to attract people who will destroy it. I agree, with Arbiter and Parasit, the us them mentality has to stop, but its only going to when the people who promote it are quashed or ignored. | ||
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Ych9
Canada39 Posts
I absolutely agree with everything you said. Although I rarely post here, I have been reading the boards here for quite a while. I have a huge amount of respect for the dedicated members at TL. However, many of the people are so arrogant/ignorant, that they just simply don't accept another community's website or their opinions. Just by browsing through this post, you can see some examples of those. On March 28 2009 12:30 Jonoman92 wrote: If they honestly are leaving TL out of some starcraft website announcement type deal then there is seriously something wrong with them. Hopefully the April fool's joke is, "lol u silly nub sites ain't gettin no Beta keys! We giving them all to TL.net!" Just an example. On the other hand, I still don't get why people are so sensitive about the hardcore/casual part of SC2. Why can't we just all get along? I mean, aren't we all buying SC2 just to enjoy the game? I mean, all these fighting and hating between the hardcore/casual gamers are extremely childish and lack of intelligence. If people want to make a constructive argument/criticism, thats great. But I have been seen tons of arguments on the hardcore/casual part that basically leads to no where. I absolutely agree with FrozenArbiter. Working together would be much better. But in order to do that, the first step is to learn how to respect other people's and their communities opinion. Without respect, the SC2 community will always be separated. | ||
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