At this time they are about ~4 days 12 hours. That leads us to April 1st. My guess it is a beta announcement. However, this doesn't appear on the official Starcraft 2 site so far so it is possible it is a terribly mean ruse. ;p
It's gonna suck if those sites actually have beta keys to hand out to their members through contests, community events and such and tl.net gets none...
Pardon me for asking but what happened to the regular layout of both SCL and SC.org? SCL used to have a fulling working site but are they updgrading it or about to close or what's going on?
But looking forward to some realy goodies And not a fake, dumb April's Fool joke.
I find it very interesting that they are all the same timer... probably pulling from the same site. That means that all of the information that these sites got, came from one source. o.O
On March 28 2009 02:01 f0rgiv3n wrote: I find it very interesting that they are all the same timer... probably pulling from the same site. That means that all of the information that these sites got, came from one source. o.O
It can mean the 3 site will merge or something like that.
On March 28 2009 02:01 f0rgiv3n wrote: I find it very interesting that they are all the same timer... probably pulling from the same site. That means that all of the information that these sites got, came from one source. o.O
It can mean the 3 site will merge or something like that.
this is much more likely than sc2 counters because TL crew apparently doesn't know about it.
Pulled this from the SC2 forum website source code. I tried typing it in but it didn't work, also its currently disabled and the link will probably be enabled when the count down stops.
I still think we will see a beta announcement next week as well though
My guess is that the theme park announcement will come early in the day and fansites will play it off as "It's coming... The blizzard theme park!" or w/e. Then in the afternoon they'll make a real announcement.
I doubt it has anything to do with Blizzard or StarCraft II, and much more so just site/community related. The webmaster & server admin SCL and SC.org are the same person (I think he works for SC2F also). All 3 sites also have banners advertising the aforementioned dude's new website. Nonetheless, I'm excited a little. :o
But really, I doubt that blizz will put an April fools joke on this. They know how much the fans are looking forward to it, so...it just doesn't seem reasonable.
On March 28 2009 06:51 Eternity241 wrote: "Why so serious?"
But really, I doubt that blizz will put an April fools joke on this. They know how much the fans are looking forward to it, so...it just doesn't seem reasonable.
ATM I'm looking more forward to the reaction of the community when it's an april fools joke than I'm looking forward to SC2.
My guess: one of these has something to do with the 2nd battlereport (hopefully the blue one)...
or... maybe the asnadi or w/e tourney's secret sponsor who must not be named who will benefit in some way that will not be named is involved (blizzard)?!?! ..............probably not but i want credit if it is.
Like I said in the beta theory thread, They could poll a reverse april fools joke. People think its a prank so they ignore it and laugh it off, but really its not and they think they are so smart, joke's on them. April fools!
Other theories; Blizz could have a fake SC MMO (or some other faux game) with pics and videos or something as first announcement but its really fake (for now anyways).
They could act like the beta keys are for some other game like another wow game and have people in an uproar mad cause they thought the keys were for sc2. April fools, they are for sc2!
Like I said in the beta theory thread, They could poll a reverse april fools joke. People think its a prank so they ignore it and laugh it off, but really its not and they think they are so smart, joke's on them. April fools!
Other theories; Blizz could have a fake SC MMO (or some other faux game) with pics and videos or something as first announcement but its really fake (for now anyways).
They could act like the beta keys are for some other game like another wow game and have people in an uproar mad cause they thought the keys were for sc2. April fools, they are for sc2!
it has to be something that any retard can understand because they're going to put it on the front of the wow page
Like I said in the beta theory thread, They could poll a reverse april fools joke. People think its a prank so they ignore it and laugh it off, but really its not and they think they are so smart, joke's on them. April fools!
Other theories; Blizz could have a fake SC MMO (or some other faux game) with pics and videos or something as first announcement but its really fake (for now anyways).
They could act like the beta keys are for some other game like another wow game and have people in an uproar mad cause they thought the keys were for sc2. April fools, they are for sc2!
it has to be something that any retard can understand because they're going to put it on the front of the wow page
Am I the only one expecting the Theme Parks to be their April Fools? >.<
Like I said in the beta theory thread, They could poll a reverse april fools joke. People think its a prank so they ignore it and laugh it off, but really its not and they think they are so smart, joke's on them. April fools!
Other theories; Blizz could have a fake SC MMO (or some other faux game) with pics and videos or something as first announcement but its really fake (for now anyways).
They could act like the beta keys are for some other game like another wow game and have people in an uproar mad cause they thought the keys were for sc2. April fools, they are for sc2!
it has to be something that any retard can understand because they're going to put it on the front of the wow page
Am I the only one expecting the Theme Parks to be their April Fools? >.<
Pretty sure SCLegacy's first timer (the one that is not synced with the other sites) is a countdown to a new site design for them. They love to redesign their site
On March 28 2009 12:30 Jonoman92 wrote: If they honestly are leaving TL out of some starcraft website announcement type deal then there is seriously something wrong with them.
Hopefully the April fool's joke is, "lol u silly nub sites ain't gettin no Beta keys! We giving them all to TL.net!"
+1...
in fact... any1 registered on TL before the last month gets a key... *crosses fingers...
or its a countdown for Diablo 3, they just only told some of the SC sites... jokes on them.. .haha
On March 28 2009 23:18 Mutaahh wrote: get a hold of yourselves, why would those site's, have anything important to tell us?
Like blizzard is going to tell them anything...
Its just something, but nothing that is important imo
Wow... you don't know much about the SC community as a whole do you? TL, while an amazingly awesome site, is not the end-all of SC sites. We might not do things that you like but we do things that create value.
On March 28 2009 03:51 Spartan wrote: I doubt it has anything to do with Blizzard or StarCraft II, and much more so just site/community related. The webmaster & server admin SCL and SC.org are the same person (I think he works for SC2F also). All 3 sites also have banners advertising the aforementioned dude's new website. Nonetheless, I'm excited a little. :o
Wrong. I run SCL, AJ runs .org, and Joneagle runs sc2f. AJ does run the server that I'm hosted on and I have never run a banner supporting the new left4dead forum. So... yeah...
On March 28 2009 23:18 Mutaahh wrote: get a hold of yourselves, why would those site's, have anything important to tell us?
Like blizzard is going to tell them anything...
Its just something, but nothing that is important imo
Wow... you don't know much about the SC community as a whole do you? TL, while an amazingly awesome site, is not the end-all of SC sites. We might not do things that you like but we do things that create value.
On March 28 2009 03:51 Spartan wrote: I doubt it has anything to do with Blizzard or StarCraft II, and much more so just site/community related. The webmaster & server admin SCL and SC.org are the same person (I think he works for SC2F also). All 3 sites also have banners advertising the aforementioned dude's new website. Nonetheless, I'm excited a little. :o
Wrong. I run SCL, AJ runs .org, and Joneagle runs sc2f. AJ does run the server that I'm hosted on and I have never run a banner supporting the new left4dead forum. So... yeah...
~LoA
LOA talks to Blizzard employees more than we do :D
SCLegacy has been around since like, the Dawn of Time or some such -.- I learned to play protoss partially from the guides posted there by Z_Dragon (he actually posts on TL, but dunno if he wants ID known).
"Pros" (read: trained noobs) on TL.net like to feel superior by bashing other SC communities. Most likely they received "training" from resources hosted by these other sites too. These are the same people who zealously bash the idea of MBS. Here's an interesting thought: If blizzard gave you the option of removing MBS but to do so you also had to remove the replay feature, would you accept this compromise? Good luck becoming any where half decent at sc2 to 90%+ of the current "pro" players (read: trained noobs).
PS. I don't pretend I'm superior. I'm a "trained noob" who relied on resources such as strategy guides and replays compiled by other players across a large range of sites. I just don't bash other sites and players, and I'm not against MBS at all.
On March 29 2009 14:36 Shade692003 wrote: Blizzard asked them to up the counter. That's what it means..
that's a pretty big inference.
on a related note: LoA, i realize that you are (successfully) trying to stir up expectations. thats fine. and while i appreciate scl and all that it has done for so long, you should know that i will probably have to kill you if this countdown ends in a thud and not a bang. whatever the bang is, let it be good.
Ah right, *they* could also means the *3 sites* vradovic is talking about in the post. However, is that would be the case, why would the moderator say 'Actually'? This word is used as a form of rebuttal, if he wanted to go in the direction of the poster (vradovic), he would have used a word like 'Indeed', to support his claim, not refute it.
i think it would be very very odd if teamliquid wasnt included in this annoucement of the sc2 beta since many blizzard employees have posted here.... would be very odd.
On March 30 2009 01:28 likeaboss wrote: i think it would be very very odd if teamliquid wasnt included in this annoucement of the sc2 beta since many blizzard employees have posted here.... would be very odd.
Well, LoA did say himself that :
TL, while an amazingly awesome site, is not the end-all of SC sites.
It's funny how the two scl timers are no longer in sync. I'm pretty sure they were at some point. Right now they are 45m off but it will probably increase with time seeing how slow the blue timer is .
On March 30 2009 06:38 Hammy wrote: It's funny how the two scl timers are no longer in sync. I'm pretty sure they were at some point. Right now they are 45m off but it will probably increase with time seeing how slow the blue timer is .
I know its not the end all be all website but gg.net and tl.net are without a doubt the biggest sc sites.... how could neither of them have a countdown?
On March 30 2009 07:02 likeaboss wrote: I know its not the end all be all website but gg.net and tl.net are without a doubt the biggest sc sites.... how could neither of them have a countdown?
Cant think of a possible reason, really? They aren't the biggest sc2 sites for one, correct me if im wrong....(probably somewhat safe to assume the countdown has something to do with sc2)
On March 30 2009 06:38 Hammy wrote: It's funny how the two scl timers are no longer in sync. I'm pretty sure they were at some point. Right now they are 45m off but it will probably increase with time seeing how slow the blue timer is .
they were never in sync iirc
How could that make any sense?... You mean from the start the put a timer that was actually slower than a regular clock? That's unlikely... besides i'm pretty sure I had already seen them in sync.
Here is a ss I took when I posted the 1st time and a ss taken just now:
Sure, this is completely meaningless but I still think it's funny that a timer everyone is anticipating so much seems to be screwed up. Reminds me of that clock that had been running for ages counting down to the year 2000 that broke down a few months before the big day :p. Unless this clock will keep on slowing down untill it's syncronized with the red clock again, and it would be part of some sort of an April fool's joke (yeah that's far fetched...). Or SCL just needs to buy some more time to get the new site up and running. Can't wait to see it though.
On March 30 2009 07:02 likeaboss wrote: I know its not the end all be all website but gg.net and tl.net are without a doubt the biggest sc sites.... how could neither of them have a countdown?
GG.net and TL.net are not SC fansites, thats the differnce
gay....... it disappeared for me as well.... it was supposeod to be up at 1 am eastern but well see.... maybe they just took it off because it was buggy hopefully something new is unveiled in 25 minutes
On March 30 2009 14:47 tEkK wrote: yup, nothing! Well the counter did disappear. Leave it to SCL to fuck us over. I'm not going there anymore.
SCL FAIL
"As many of you may have noticed the first timer (teal) has been removed from our site. Due to unforseen circumstances we were unable to bring you the long awaited revamped StarCraft Legacy. For the past several months there has been a core team of dedicated gamers who has tirelessly iterated an entire new SC:L expierence for you. The engineering and building of the next evolution in our site has had its fair share of set-backs and we were finally excited and proud to have been bringing you the final fruits of our labors. We have planned meticulously for this day for many, many weeks and we had definitely thought that the time was finally upon us. However, we have failed. As I sat this afternoon working furiously to produce the product we have long awaited and promised; I too, as many of you watched the timer countdown. I was ultimately forced to make the call - release SC:L Alpha as it was, unfinished and unworthy, just to say we finished on-time - or to bow my head, ask your forgiveness and continue to work and eventually deliver. There is no excuse, no reason to have built the hype to an anti-climactic head and for that I apologize. When the site is ready and meets the quality standards that you have come to expect from the SC:L staff - we will launch it and hope you - our reason for existence - approve. Thank you, LordofAscension Lead Administrator - StarCraft Legacy. lordofascension[at]sclegacy.com"
Geez the last 10 posts are so negative. My god, LoA is working on a new site and all people do is bitch because it's a few days late? I'm disapointed too because I was looking forward to something new but we should definitely be getting some new SC2 updates in a few days. Hopefully scl will be up by then to relay the info
For what it's worth - at least the second countdown still there lol... Don't hate too much. We did try. I won't give you excuses - we'll just shut-up till we can put-up.
On March 30 2009 17:17 LordofAscension wrote: For what it's worth - at least the second countdown still there lol... Don't hate too much. We did try. I won't give you excuses - we'll just shut-up till we can put-up.
~LoA
It’s Ok, I forgive you guys, and you still got 1 day, 20 hours to redeem yourselves.
On March 30 2009 13:38 vradovic wrote: yes they remove that and nothing happend. Idiots from Sclegacy
How can posting like this be acceptable?? SC:L guys are actually DOING something for the community unlike most of you flamers and trolls. They were here since the beginning of time so please have some fucking respect.
On March 30 2009 13:38 vradovic wrote: yes they remove that and nothing happend. Idiots from Sclegacy
How can posting like this be acceptable?? SC:L guys are actually DOING something for the community unlike most of you flamers and trolls. They were here since the beginning of time so please have some fucking respect.
giving people blue balls is worse than doing nothing at all
Eh all the bashers of SC:L please stfu, offer to help out in constructing the site or be happy that the place exists at all. The owners and creators of SC:L do it out of a passion and for free, if you want to be petty and complain like immature brats then go throw yourselves off a cliff.
What exactly is the problem? We knew the countdown was for the new design. They didn't deliver so what? But yeah kinda wasteful having a counter ticking when you aren't even gonna make it. Could have just done a "surprise surprise new design" when it was ready. Nothing to cry about tbh.
On March 31 2009 01:10 sagrado_corazon wrote: hey everybody! Let's bitch about how SC:L keeps and helps the SC community alive!
*sigh*
i could do without the outdated coverage and bombardment of ad banners. the only useful contribution was pimpest plays imo.
Although I must disagree with you, but everyone has their own opinions, they're still a SC site that at least tries to help dude. It's not like they're charging you for anything, they love the game and thus have kept the site alive for so many years. I'm just glad that there are so many sites out there that have helped the SC community for so many years. Have some respect dude.
I mean it kinda sucks that the first countdown was for nothing but really people are just getting too emo cause its (hopefully) so close to the sc2 beta launch. I think that people are overreacting a little but I have to say I agree with Idra. Giving people blue balls is worse then nothing at all, so true.
giving people blue balls is worse than doing nothing at all
Grow up and get used to it.
How many times has Blizzard pushed back their release date?
None? Because maybe they have never announced any sort of release date?
If you look at your starcraft cdcase, or the manual, (i forget which one) d2 was announced to release in 1998, it was actually released in 2000. If I remember correctly :O
"Oh how I pray.. Santa, this year... I want my official starcraft 2 beta release key, and that the count-down timers on sites such as SCL are for the beta testing."
"I dont know johnny boy, your parents don't look like the ones to pay for a developing game.."
Its gonna be BattleReport2 I did read a interview with Dustin and he said he had something to say about the Beta in the next BattleReport. So probably an Beta Announcement (NOT RELEASE) and I guess we iwll have a beta 2 weeks after that.
The chances of a beta announcement is very small in my opinion. BattleReport 2 is quite possible. To be honest, I don't want beta just yet. ;p I really want a key and they should wait until blizzcon so I can get another chance to get one!
On April 01 2009 06:23 LeperKahn wrote: The chances of a beta announcement is very small in my opinion. BattleReport 2 is quite possible. To be honest, I don't want beta just yet. ;p I really want a key and they should wait until blizzcon so I can get another chance to get one!
If they released beta that means the retail of the game would be out before blizzcon, your logic is about as good as a midget trying to grab a kite on a long string during a windy day.
On April 01 2009 06:23 LeperKahn wrote: The chances of a beta announcement is very small in my opinion. BattleReport 2 is quite possible. To be honest, I don't want beta just yet. ;p I really want a key and they should wait until blizzcon so I can get another chance to get one!
If they released beta that means the retail of the game would be out before blizzcon, your logic is about as good as a midget trying to grab a kite on a long string during a windy day.
On April 01 2009 06:23 LeperKahn wrote: The chances of a beta announcement is very small in my opinion. BattleReport 2 is quite possible. To be honest, I don't want beta just yet. ;p I really want a key and they should wait until blizzcon so I can get another chance to get one!
If they released beta that means the retail of the game would be out before blizzcon, your logic is about as good as a midget trying to grab a kite on a long string during a windy day.
yeah, it'll probably last a little after blizzcon but i still don't understand his reasoning. if beta came out now, he would at least have a chance to get in and play the game, but even if he didn't get in, he would only have to wait another month or two max after blizzcon to play the game.
why would he want to eliminate all chances of him getting in beta for the next few months just so he would be guarenteed a spot later? i mean, it would make sense if he just wanted a free game to play for a while, but this is starcraft 2! i'm assuming everyone on this forum will buy it.
On April 01 2009 06:23 LeperKahn wrote: The chances of a beta announcement is very small in my opinion. BattleReport 2 is quite possible. To be honest, I don't want beta just yet. ;p I really want a key and they should wait until blizzcon so I can get another chance to get one!
If they released beta that means the retail of the game would be out before blizzcon, your logic is about as good as a midget trying to grab a kite on a long string during a windy day.
i honestly don't believe there will be a beta announcement tonight or tomorrow, but the possibility of beta running all the way to blizzcon where they will announce a solid release date is very likely imo
On April 01 2009 04:06 FrozenArbiter wrote: Let's not blow his comment out of proportion please, I very much doubt he's gonna send SCL angry letters -_-
No reason now to believe beta is coming anytime soon. It will at least be a few weeks, if not month(s). There's no reason to miss this date (31) unless they just weren't ready even for an announcement.
Well they didn't really give a date about signups and I am still pretty optomistic, they wouldn't have sign ups if they are not able to produce soon. I reemember somewhere that the signup dates and the bet a start was fairly close so lets just see...
What's weird is, I was tweaking my computer time yesterday to see the affect it would have on a program (emulator), and I tweaked it 24 hours ahead. I forgetfully left it on, came to this site, then went to the SC:L website and looked at the countdown, and I saw 0 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes left (look a few pages back to see my post).
I was surprised as hell to come home from school today and find that my system time said April 1st already, and that the countdowns all read 0 on everything.
I set my system time back to normal, and the countdown normalized again.
So it seems the countdown is dependent on your system clock, which while I don't know what that means, makes me believe that the whole thing is a hoax if you can have six different times that the countdown ends, depending on what time zone you're in.
On April 01 2009 13:07 Xception704 wrote: 1 more hour for me too.
What's weird is, I was tweaking my computer time yesterday to see the affect it would have on a program (emulator), and I tweaked it 24 hours ahead. I forgetfully left it on, came to this site, then went to the SC:L website and looked at the countdown, and I saw 0 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes left (look a few pages back to see my post).
I was surprised as hell to come home from school today and find that my system time said April 1st already, and that the countdowns all read 0 on everything.
I set my system time back to normal, and the countdown normalized again.
So it seems the countdown is dependent on your system clock, which while I don't know what that means, makes me believe that the whole thing is a hoax if you can have six different times that the countdown ends, depending on what time zone you're in.
bleh my internal clock was wrong by an hour, I checked the site and the timer said 00:00:00 and I was like OMG WAT HAPPENED but nothing had happened....18 minutes left (hopefully somethign will happen!)
First off, we want to congratulate you for making it this far. We realize that Starcraft 2 has been a long time coming and we want to thank you for your patience. From the first release of Starcraft on April 1, 1998 until Starcraft 2's formal announcement on May 19, 2007, many of you have been waiting patiently. We're glad to say that the wait for a select few of you is over. As of 10:00 p.m. (PST) March 31, 2009, Fan Site Program sites will begin the first stage of registering for Starcraft 2 beta keys. Official registration for the Starcraft 2 beta has not yet begun, nor has a date been set, but we would like to extend an opportunity to select fansite participants to submit an application from which we will select a number of participants for the Starcraft 2 beta testing. The following fansites have been approved to participate in this first wave of early application submissions:
Please submit a short application (300 words or less) telling us why you should be selected to participate in the upcoming Starcraft 2 beta. Please be aware that applications longer than 300 words will not be reviewed. One entry per person. The applications will be judged and the winners decided by the staff of the sites listed above. Applications must be received by 10:00 p.m. (PST) April 1, 2009. Entries received after this period will not be considered. You should submit your application to sc2beta@gmail.com. We look forward to reviewing your entries, and will notify receipt of your submission via e-mail. Happy Birthday, StarCraft!
First off, we want to congratulate you for making it this far. We realize that Starcraft 2 has been a long time coming and we want to thank you for your patience. From the first release of Starcraft on April 1, 1998 until Starcraft 2's formal announcement on May 19, 2007, many of you have been waiting patiently. We're glad to say that the wait for a select few of you is over. As of 10:00 p.m. (PST) March 31, 2009, Fan Site Program sites will begin the first stage of registering for Starcraft 2 beta keys. Official registration for the Starcraft 2 beta has not yet begun, nor has a date been set, but we would like to extend an opportunity to select fansite participants to submit an application from which we will select a number of participants for the Starcraft 2 beta testing. The following fansites have been approved to participate in this first wave of early application submission:
Starcraft.org StarCraft2Forum.org SCLegacy.com StarcraftZone.com Please submit a short application (300 words or less) telling us why you should be selected to participate in the upcoming Starcraft 2 beta. Please be aware that applications longer than 300 words will not be reviewed. One entry per person. The applications will be judged and the winners decided by the staff of the sites listed above. Applications must be received by 10:00 p.m. (PST) April 1, 2009. Entries received after this period will not be considered. You should submit your application to sc2beta@gmail.com. We look forward to reviewing your entries, and will notify receipt of your submission via e-mail. Happy Birthday, StarCraft!
Releasing this on April Fool's day and e-mail listed to gmail.com doesn't actually scream for anything but prank. Then again, I wonder how many jolly 4chan fellows are going to spam that mail with 300-word-letters consisting of "This is Spartaaaaa!", which kinda makes me happy inside.
Upcoming Opportunities to look out for: Beta Opt-in BlizzCast Contests/Events Future Find Raynor Screenshots (will be announced when it starts, unfortunately does not include previous finds) StarCraft II Trivia StarCraft II Fan Site Program and more...
On April 01 2009 14:06 Tsagacity wrote: This better be a joke :s
cause you don't got no writing skillz huh?
I'm actually majoring in professional writing :D
You don't think a countdown is a little bit excessive for a 300-word essay opportunity?
Its actually a beta opportunity (if its real). The "opportunity" isn't the essay itself....that is just the means.
Are you trolling me? =/
Instead of responding to my point that a countdown is excessive, you're responding to the fact that I didn't include the word "beta" in a post where everyone knows exactly what I mean -_-
ahahahahahaha. I love how there's been like FIVE countdowns in the SC/TL world in the past few months, and the only one that was even remotely good was the TL front page redesign.
Yea, why no countdown for the other contests? No need to build up that much excitement over just one more way to get into beta. (Although I am bias because im already in >< )
On April 01 2009 14:08 Sayara wrote: Releasing this on April Fool's day and e-mail listed to gmail.com doesn't actually scream for anything but prank. Then again, I wonder how many jolly 4chan fellows are going to spam that mail with 300-word-letters consisting of "This is Spartaaaaa!", which kinda makes me happy inside.
On April 01 2009 14:06 Tsagacity wrote: This better be a joke :s
cause you don't got no writing skillz huh?
I'm actually majoring in professional writing :D
You don't think a countdown is a little bit excessive for a 300-word essay opportunity?
Its actually a beta opportunity (if its real). The "opportunity" isn't the essay itself....that is just the means.
Are you trolling me? =/
Instead of responding to my point that a countdown is excessive, you're responding to the fact that I didn't include the word "beta" in a post where everyone knows exactly what I mean -_-
Don't be stupid.
The fact I was reminding you of is that any beta opportunity is a big deal and that this one is a lot more exciting because it is open to a larger spectrum of people (rather than those who have artistic talent--a rare thing).
The point is that it is the first time that these particular fansites can give their members beta keys. THAT is a lot more exciting than a fansite being able to give you a picture of a game you can't play.
Do you think these sites have had anything more interesting happen to them in the last year?
EDIT: for those thinking the countdown is excessive, just think of it from the site's point of view. They can rarely give their members something of real value...usually just pictures and news. If you were running a site, you would have made a HUGE deal about the fact that YOU could get your members beta keys.
(although I say all this, it is under the assumption that it really IS real which has not been established. It could definitely still be an April Fools joke by the sites, but that would seem pretty distasteful to me)
I typed out something fast and sent to that gmail and instantly received this in my mailbox. I'm not getting my hopes up or anything because I have a blizzcon key anyways.. but thought some should know. Being April first doesn't instill any confidence in said site. Seems mildly legit though.
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----
Thank you for your submission! This e-mail confirms that you have submitted for the FSP StarCraft 2 beta opt-in. Please check your e-mail at 10:00 p.m. (PST) tonight, April 1, 2009, for further updates.
On April 01 2009 14:06 Tsagacity wrote: This better be a joke :s
cause you don't got no writing skillz huh?
I'm actually majoring in professional writing :D
You don't think a countdown is a little bit excessive for a 300-word essay opportunity?
Its actually a beta opportunity (if its real). The "opportunity" isn't the essay itself....that is just the means.
Are you trolling me? =/
Instead of responding to my point that a countdown is excessive, you're responding to the fact that I didn't include the word "beta" in a post where everyone knows exactly what I mean -_-
Don't be stupid.
The fact I was reminding you of is that any beta opportunity is a big deal and that this one is a lot more exciting because it is open to a larger spectrum of people (rather than those who have artistic talent--a rare thing).
The point is that it is the first time that these particular fansites can give their members beta keys. THAT is a lot more exciting than a fansite being able to give you a picture of a game you can't play.
Do you think these sites have had anything more interesting happen to them in the last year?
Now you're just being obvious with your trolling You were good earlier.
On a serious note, a lot of people complain about artistic talent being required for these competitions, but that's definitely not true if people can win with screen shots.
On April 01 2009 14:06 Tsagacity wrote: This better be a joke :s
cause you don't got no writing skillz huh?
I'm actually majoring in professional writing :D
You don't think a countdown is a little bit excessive for a 300-word essay opportunity?
Its actually a beta opportunity (if its real). The "opportunity" isn't the essay itself....that is just the means.
Are you trolling me? =/
Instead of responding to my point that a countdown is excessive, you're responding to the fact that I didn't include the word "beta" in a post where everyone knows exactly what I mean -_-
Don't be stupid.
The fact I was reminding you of is that any beta opportunity is a big deal and that this one is a lot more exciting because it is open to a larger spectrum of people (rather than those who have artistic talent--a rare thing).
The point is that it is the first time that these particular fansites can give their members beta keys. THAT is a lot more exciting than a fansite being able to give you a picture of a game you can't play.
Do you think these sites have had anything more interesting happen to them in the last year?
EDIT: for those thinking the countdown is excessive, just think of it from the site's point of view. They can rarely give their members something of real value...usually just pictures and news. If you were running a site, you would have made a HUGE deal about the fact that YOU could get your members beta keys.
(although I say all this, it is under the assumption that it really IS real which has not been established. It could definitely still be an April Fools joke by the sites, but that would seem pretty distasteful to me)
Imo what they did was completely unethical. This counter has been picked up by every Starcraft site on the internet and tons of multi-gaming websites and they are giving everyone the impression that something actually important was going to happen. They should have announced a few days that this was not a beta announcement nor was it for the release of battle report 2. They knew they were giving everyone the wrong impression. Obviously they didn't do this because they were probably enjoying actually getting traffic for once.
What kind of a contest has a deadline 24 hours it's set up? : ) I don't buy it...It's not a bad joke though, and i'll still be writing something up real fast just in case haha : )
I think it's a prank, still sent in an essay obv. If this is a joke, I'm never visiting any of those sites ever again and I'll ignore every single person from there who posts here like that LOA guy.
On April 01 2009 14:25 Pufftrees wrote: I typed out something fast and sent to that gmail and instantly received this in my mailbox. I'm not getting my hopes up or anything because I have a blizzcon key anyways.. but thought some should know. Being April first doesn't instill any confidence in said site. Seems mildly legit though.
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----
Thank you for your submission! This e-mail confirms that you have submitted for the FSP StarCraft 2 beta opt-in. Please check your e-mail at 10:00 p.m. (PST) tonight, April 1, 2009, for further updates.
Though some may doubt me, I have mystical powers. I can see the future.
I see... I see... I see an email entitled "APRIL FOOLS" arriving in your mailbox at 10:00 p.m (PST) tonight, April 1, 2009!
i don't get how you could write 300 words about why you should be in beta "I should be in beta because i have played x years and really like starcraft" whats that like 15-20 words lol
SC was actually released March 31st 1998, the fansite message says April 1st 1996. Hmmmm. Mistake, or hint? The email is just gmail, it's not even a blizzard email. Anyone could be behind that email address. No evidence that blizzard is involved.
You bet I sent in an "application". Still, I'm not so sure about this.
On April 01 2009 19:02 Kadoka wrote: SC was actually released March 31st 1998, the fansite message says April 1st 1996. Hmmmm. Mistake, or hint? The email is just gmail, it's not even a blizzard email. Anyone could be behind that email address. No evidence that blizzard is involved.
You bet I sent in an "application". Still, I'm not so sure about this.
i kinda feel like an idiot for applying now, i hope its real :p
On April 01 2009 19:02 Kadoka wrote: SC was actually released March 31st 1998, the fansite message says April 1st 1996. Hmmmm. Mistake, or hint? The email is just gmail, it's not even a blizzard email. Anyone could be behind that email address. No evidence that blizzard is involved.
You bet I sent in an "application". Still, I'm not so sure about this.
the date is correct on the other sites, only scl has this mistake
This is really bad joke and has some serious flaws in it. Apart from the whole nonsense there are 2 main flaws - the letter must be send till the end of 1 of April and the email is on gmail.
On April 01 2009 19:02 Kadoka wrote: SC was actually released March 31st 1998, the fansite message says April 1st 1996. Hmmmm. Mistake, or hint? The email is just gmail, it's not even a blizzard email. Anyone could be behind that email address. No evidence that blizzard is involved.
You bet I sent in an "application". Still, I'm not so sure about this.
i kinda feel like an idiot for applying now, i hope its real :p
On April 01 2009 19:02 Kadoka wrote: SC was actually released March 31st 1998, the fansite message says April 1st 1996. Hmmmm. Mistake, or hint? The email is just gmail, it's not even a blizzard email. Anyone could be behind that email address. No evidence that blizzard is involved.
You bet I sent in an "application". Still, I'm not so sure about this.
it's not blizzard giving out beta keys, its the fansites that blizzard already gave beta keys to.
I don't think it's an april's fools, LoA is too credible. Although I guess that's the perfect setup for a prank, establish trust over a period of ~9 years, then blow it all away with fake SC2 beta keys.
Did Karune just confirm that this was fake with this response?:
To give you guys an update, the Battle Report is still in localization and needs to be ready in all supported regions before it will go up. Many times this adds to the development timeline, but it allows everyone worldwide to be able to experience Blizzard updates at the same time, so no particular region feels neglected.
In regards to beta, I'm seeing many websites and hoaxes messing with people's expectations. These are not official announcements, and when that time comes, the official announcement will be written by a blue or posted up on official websites like battle.net and StarCraft2.com.
The developers are hard at work in getting StarCraft II to a beta phase. With each of the Q&As, you can see the types of updates they are working on. More and more, we are trying to include 'behind the scenes' type content in the Q&As (localized in all regions as well), which unfortunately adds a little bit to the production timeline of Q&As as well, but gives the community something to 'see' in addition to what they 'read.' Comparing Q&A 49 & 50, they have changed drastically from say Q&A 1 & 2. In order to get more content out there as well, we have begun soliciting questions from fansites a part of our fan site program, so stay on the look out for those when they get answered.
We have a habit of holding things back at Blizzard to make sure when we finally show everyone, it will be up to par - we want to make sure it will our products are something both the community will love to play and something that we too can be very proud of.
Gah, I feel pretty dumb now. It seems really wrong of the sites to mess with peoples hopes. I've stayed up to 1 in the morning 2 days in a row, so I'm feeling pretty dumb at this point.
Unfortunately, in true April Fool's Day tradition, you have been duped! APRIL FOOLS! Despair not, it's not as bad as it seems!
Believe us, you'll want to read this! (EDIT: this is a link)
Thank you for your participation! And Happy Birthday StarCraft!
--http://www.starcraft.org/
If you click the link:
Congratulations on submitting for the Starcraft 2 FSP beta registration! This e-mail is confirmation that your submission has been received and is valid. Unfortunately, in true April Fool's Day tradition, you have been duped! APRIL FOOLS! Despair not, it's not as bad as it seems!
We have no beta keys to distribute at the moment but, as promised, all users who submitted for today's registration will be eligible for a fansite beta key drawing when the real beta begins. No other users will be eligible for this drawing - only those who participated in today's event. So a gigantic "HAHA!" to all of those who thought this wasn't for real because they are the ones who really got fooled. We really are going to give away beta keys!
We hope you enjoyed your 24 hours of suspense and we hope you have found a laugh and perhaps some excitement today as we surely have. We look forward to the Starcraft 2 beta just as much as you do, and we hope you'll stay tuned for when the actual beta is released, as we will be hosting additional contests and drawings for beta keys.
Again, all users who have submitted an e-mail to sc2beta@gmail.com prior to 10:00 p.m. (PST) are eligible for a Starcraft 2 Beta Key drawing from the participating fansites. Users will be identified by their e-mail submissions, so please make sure your e-mail remains valid so you can be contacted.
Thank you for your participation! And Happy Birthday StarCraft! Oh, by the way, we baked a cake. Enjoy a slice, won't you?
Congratulations on submitting for the Starcraft 2 FSP beta registration! This e-mail is confirmation that your submission has been received and is valid. Unfortunately, in true April Fool's Day tradition, you have been duped! APRIL FOOLS! Despair not, it's not as bad as it seems!
We have no beta keys to distribute at the moment but, as promised, all users who submitted for today's registration will be eligible for a fansite beta key drawing when the real beta begins. No other users will be eligible for this drawing - only those who participated in today's event. So a gigantic "HAHA!" to all of those who thought this wasn't for real because they are the ones who really got fooled. We really are going to give away beta keys!
We hope you enjoyed your 24 hours of suspense and we hope you have found a laugh and perhaps some excitement today as we surely have. We look forward to the Starcraft 2 beta just as much as you do, and we hope you'll stay tuned for when the actual beta is released, as we will be hosting additional contests and drawings for beta keys.
Again, all users who have submitted an e-mail to sc2beta@gmail.com prior to 10:00 p.m. (PST) are eligible for a Starcraft 2 Beta Key drawing from the participating fansites. Users will be identified by their e-mail submissions, so please make sure your e-mail remains valid so you can be contacted.
Thank you for your participation! And Happy Birthday StarCraft! Oh, by the way, we baked a cake. Enjoy a slice, won't you?
Everybody gets to feel dumb. If you submitted an essay, then you know you fell for their joke, but if you didn't then you lost out on a chance at beta.
On April 02 2009 14:24 MannerKiss wrote: unfortunately i haven't actually received the email yet. Did anyone else? It would piss me off if my submission didn't count for some reason
Fuck... I spent a good 5 minutes writing my reason. I kinda knew it would be like this though. Fuckin' other sites.... This is why TL is gosu. It delivers.
I never ever got the 2nd e-mail that was supposed to come saying i was pwned.
Ingenious. The only ones who qualify are those who want a beta key so bad that they're willing to ignore their pride in the face of what was almost certainly a prank and submit anyway.
Don't worry if you didn't get the second email - we ran into issues mass emailing everyone without having everyone's email showing.
So congrats and thanks to those of you that trusted us a bit. Admittedly it probably wasn't the best - but I did have the rug pulled out from under me... but that's a different story. Hopefully there won't be so much hate and you'll love the new alpha as soon as we release it (when it's done!) :p
On April 02 2009 14:57 LordofAscension wrote: Lol.
Don't worry if you didn't get the second email - we ran into issues mass emailing everyone without having everyone's email showing.
So congrats and thanks to those of you that trusted us a bit. Admittedly it probably wasn't the best - but I did have the rug pulled out from under me... but that's a different story. Hopefully there won't be so much hate and you'll love the new alpha as soon as we release it (when it's done!) :p
On April 02 2009 14:57 LordofAscension wrote: Lol.
Don't worry if you didn't get the second email - we ran into issues mass emailing everyone without having everyone's email showing.
So congrats and thanks to those of you that trusted us a bit. Admittedly it probably wasn't the best - but I did have the rug pulled out from under me... but that's a different story. Hopefully there won't be so much hate and you'll love the new alpha as soon as we release it (when it's done!) :p
<3
~LoA
It was a great april 1st joke imo. I was not sure about it beeing real, but I couldnt avoid sending in!!
Do you even know you'll get keys to distribute? Gmail?? So, the 1 person that impersonated 100 people can get all your keys. "Fair", and stinks of trying to save face. I think Sclegacy should get keys, but these other sites... and starcraft.org has been dead for ages?
Last time StarCraft.org had any decent info was right BEFOR Blizzard gave them sc1 map responcibility, that was like in 2000`?
On April 02 2009 19:39 Bash wrote: Oh wow how fun, reward the idiots who didn't know what day it was.
Trust me, most of us knew what day it was and sent one in anyway. Whats the worst that could happen? you get an email that says 'lol april fools?'
People are too offended by april fools, I love getting pranked, and I would have laughed at the glimmer of hope I had if I had received and april fools response and gone to bed happy.
On April 02 2009 19:27 ocoini wrote: Do you even know you'll get keys to distribute? Gmail?? So, the 1 person that impersonated 100 people can get all your keys. "Fair", and stinks of trying to save face.
Yes, we'll have keys. Of course we used gmail, it was the easiest platform for all of our sites to share access throughout. No one impersonated anybody- only a couple attempts to send multiple emails were made. It was definitely the plan from the beginning to run it as it was, no abrupt changes in the middle of the "joke."
On April 02 2009 19:27 ocoini wrote: I think Sclegacy should get keys, but these other sites... and starcraft.org has been dead for ages?
Last time StarCraft.org had any decent info was right BEFOR Blizzard gave them sc1 map responcibility, that was like in 2000`?
and the other sites i havent even heard of t.t
While I definitely appreciate the love, I think it's funny that you'd rather no other sites get beta keys, since that will always work in your favor with regard to any chance at getting one. But it's always great to meet the fans - so glad we've got your support.
I didnt say anything about not wanting sites to get keys. I pointed out how some of theese sites have no background, minimal following and have been dead for years.
If I was to have made 10 diffrent applications, from 10 diffrent email accounts and ip's you would'nt have been able to find out, and your not going to find the ones that did such a thing allready.
On April 03 2009 02:34 ocoini wrote: I didnt say anything about not wanting sites to get keys. I pointed out how some of theese sites have no background, minimal following and have been dead for years.
Well you're a large fanboy, so I'll try to tread lightly here- but believe it or not SC.org and SCL are extremely comparable in terms of popularity, "background" and following. And really always have. I mean you'd know since you're privy to all the pertinent data, but just so others realize that you're pulling info out of your ass.
On April 03 2009 02:34 ocoini wrote: If I was to have made 10 diffrent applications, from 10 diffrent email accounts and ip's you would'nt have been able to find out, and your not going to find the ones that did such a thing allready.
You can feel however you care to about it. In fact I invite you to feel it was a wasted joke, a failed joke, not a joke- whatever you want to. Regardless the number of spoofed emails is extremely low, most have already been found/tagged, and it isn't a concern of mine.
On April 03 2009 04:36 Ideas wrote: AJ/LoA, if I can ask, how many people actually sent in legitimate essays (not just "HEY GIMME BETA PLZ or something)?
fanboy of what, what the fuck have i said that would make me fanboy why the hell are you insulting me at all for.
I was noteing to the other sites and not sc.org and scl.net with "background" and following. sc.org has huge background, but it's only seen very sporadic updates dureing the last few years. Fine, if you say sc.org and scl are practically equal in activity, OK. I never said anything about
But it's absolute bullcrap that you guys think you can weed out duplicates from an email. And that you take so lightly on this. "and it isn't a concern of min", have you seen what a betakey on Ebay is going for? When real people that have a passion for sc gets duped out of a key because someone sent in 50 well written applications and gets a goal with some of them that should be a concern. The way you are handeling the key handling is poor. i've made my point, and leaving the thread, i dont want to flamebait or waste my time anymore on this
taken from a post of karuune's on b.net forums :: "In regards to beta, I'm seeing many websites and hoaxes messing with people's expectations. These are not official announcements, and when that time comes, the official announcement will be written by a blue or posted up on official websites like battle.net and StarCraft2.com."
On April 02 2009 14:57 LordofAscension wrote: Lol.
Don't worry if you didn't get the second email - we ran into issues mass emailing everyone without having everyone's email showing.
So congrats and thanks to those of you that trusted us a bit. Admittedly it probably wasn't the best - but I did have the rug pulled out from under me... but that's a different story. Hopefully there won't be so much hate and you'll love the new alpha as soon as we release it (when it's done!) :p
<3
~LoA
i dont understand why you would punish those who used their logic to determine it was just an april fool's joke (it was obvious) by not letting them into the initial beta drawing
On April 02 2009 14:57 LordofAscension wrote: Lol.
Don't worry if you didn't get the second email - we ran into issues mass emailing everyone without having everyone's email showing.
So congrats and thanks to those of you that trusted us a bit. Admittedly it probably wasn't the best - but I did have the rug pulled out from under me... but that's a different story. Hopefully there won't be so much hate and you'll love the new alpha as soon as we release it (when it's done!) :p
<3
~LoA
i dont understand why you would punish those who used their logic to determine it was just an april fool's joke (it was obvious) by not letting them into the initial beta drawing
I'm sorry that the stick up your ass refuses to let you participate in fun, most of the people who sent in essays knew very well that it was probably a joke and they could get burned but they still choose to participate so why should they not benefit for participating over those who are to "smart."
On April 03 2009 09:52 Bash wrote: So basically they're rewarding people who send in an email just "for the lulz"? How exactly does that differ from rewarding people for idiocy?
I'll just say that I honestly don't care about the beta, I just think it's wrong to reward people for this kind of stuff.
maybe aj or loa could clarify but it seems only those who sent in legitimate essays are being rewarded.
On April 03 2009 09:52 Bash wrote: So basically they're rewarding people who send in an email just "for the lulz"? How exactly does that differ from rewarding people for idiocy?
I'll just say that I honestly don't care about the beta, I just think it's wrong to reward people for this kind of stuff.
maybe aj or loa could clarify but it seems only those who sent in legitimate essays are being rewarded.
On April 03 2009 09:52 Bash wrote: So basically they're rewarding people who send in an email just "for the lulz"? How exactly does that differ from rewarding people for idiocy?
I'll just say that I honestly don't care about the beta, I just think it's wrong to reward people for this kind of stuff.
So basically, in April 1, everything is a lie and anyone who believes in something told on that day is an idiot? I guess you're the biggest idiot here.
On April 03 2009 10:52 Kadoka wrote: I'm wondering why some people got the confirmation email, and the follow-up APRIL FOOLS email at 10PST, while some got no response at all.
Were some people disqualified for some odd reason?
Do we have to be long time members of these fansites to have a chance?
he said they had problems with mass emails. gmail only allows so many emails a day and this may have had something to do with that?
I have to say I'm mostly pleased with the attitudes of the members on here about the April Fools registration.. and I think most people have got it spot on. Those who thought it was worth it to sacrifice a little pride and gamble on getting pranked are being rewarded with a chance at a beta key. I'd stop very short of calling those who submitted "idiots." In fact, I might bestow the title on those who didn't submit.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
On April 03 2009 12:41 Joneagle_X wrote: I have to say I'm mostly pleased with the attitudes of the members on here about the April Fools registration.. and I think most people have got it spot on. Those who thought it was worth it to sacrifice a little pride and gamble on getting pranked are being rewarded with a chance at a beta key. I'd stop very short of calling those who submitted "idiots." In fact, I might bestow the title on those who didn't submit.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
On April 03 2009 12:41 Joneagle_X wrote: I have to say I'm mostly pleased with the attitudes of the members on here about the April Fools registration.. and I think most people have got it spot on. Those who thought it was worth it to sacrifice a little pride and gamble on getting pranked are being rewarded with a chance at a beta key. I'd stop very short of calling those who submitted "idiots." In fact, I might bestow the title on those who didn't submit.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
I know this is uncalled for, but coming here and calling here every "idiots", and making remarks "drooling over koreans pro's all day", is pretty inmature of you, and you're just making your website look even worse by doing these kind of actions.
On April 03 2009 12:41 Joneagle_X wrote: I have to say I'm mostly pleased with the attitudes of the members on here about the April Fools registration.. and I think most people have got it spot on. Those who thought it was worth it to sacrifice a little pride and gamble on getting pranked are being rewarded with a chance at a beta key. I'd stop very short of calling those who submitted "idiots." In fact, I might bestow the title on those who didn't submit.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
I know this is uncalled for, but coming here and calling here every "idiots", and making remarks "drooling over koreans pro's all day", is pretty inmature of you, and you're just making your website look even worse by doing these kind of actions.
Want me to translate that for you?...
Get some manners, and stfu.
Well played, sir. Doesn't bode well for the admin of a site that has 1% the traffic of TL to insult the largest StarCraft site on the internet.
It's a little weird, especially since there is clearly a signature function. I think what LoA does is even funnier - signs his posts LoA and has a signature.
Firstly, I never "insulted" TL.net. What I insulted is the attitude that is voiced here daily raging against the sites that "don't matter" are "insignificant" or "no one cares about." You can take your pick of ignorant or insulting suggestions that some trolls here seem to insert at will in posts.
Only my last two sentences were sarcastic. I simply despise the suggestion that any opinion outside of this fansite doesn't matter. I tire of the daily rage against the masses and the condescension about the game's development that comes from posts here. I refuse to engage in any kind of name calling, and I certainly respect the opinions of some of you, but I think it's time that someone else showed that there are other users out there that exist outside of TL's pro-gaming box, and hold different opinions.
If that offends you, and that causes you to be "angry" at me, or my fansite, then I apologize. But perhaps you should open your view a bit and realize that there are other communities for StarCraft that do matter, including StarCraft.org and SCLegacy, and we certainly make up more than "1%" of TL's user base.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
I am a relatively new member to TeamLiquid, but have been heavily involved in many online gaming communities. There is nothing even close to TeamLiquid in terms of quality for StarCraft. I will just say that because of your comments, I personally will never visit your website.
Quaility aside (cause quality is subjective), realize that Jon is still spending a large portion of his time dedicated to his site, and there IS a community for it of more than enough people at least. Its not like 10 people visit his site, its somewhat popular, of course not near TL but that shouldnt matter, point is he works his butt off for free to cater to starcraft fans, just because he doesnt talk about Savior all day, shouldnt make his site less of a SC site than here.
I don't expect you to visit my site. I speak for the opinion of my members, just as I would if I was representing TL. As far as I've seen there is no overlap. TL members tend to be heavily SC oriented and, meanwhile, my site is heavily SC2 oriented.
You can keep the old school, I'll take the new book, thanks.
And if logical thought is enough to keep you away from my site, so be it.
On April 04 2009 10:43 Joneagle_X wrote: @Pufftrees
I don't expect you to visit my site. I speak for the opinion of my members, just as I would if I was representing TL. As far as I've seen there is no overlap. TL members tend to be heavily SC oriented and, meanwhile, my site is heavily SC2 oriented.
You can keep the old school, I'll take the new book, thanks.
And if logical thought is enough to keep you away from my site, so be it.
@ Skyze
Thanks for the backup?
I think you are looking at this wrong. Skyze summed it up very well I believe. You've spent a lot of time developing your website and a lot of energy and it's all for StarCraft2, so for that I have a lot of respect for you right away. However, that does not at all take away from your pompous attitude displayed especially with those 2 direct insults to the entire TL forum community. You talk as if TeamLiquid is stoneage SC1... well when there is actually some SC2 news we will see then. I am just expressing the disappointment that you ruined your hard working website in my eyes (and others probably) by throwing in some stupid insults where they weren't needed.
On April 04 2009 10:43 Joneagle_X wrote: @Pufftrees
I don't expect you to visit my site. I speak for the opinion of my members, just as I would if I was representing TL. As far as I've seen there is no overlap. TL members tend to be heavily SC oriented and, meanwhile, my site is heavily SC2 oriented.
You can keep the old school, I'll take the new book, thanks.
And if logical thought is enough to keep you away from my site, so be it.
@ Skyze
Thanks for the backup?
Not trying to start a war here or anything, but what exactly do you aim to achieve with your site?
Your site is called StarCraft2Forum.org, so from what any outsider would see is that it is just another forum site for StarCraft II fans. There are dozens of sites on the internet, so what will separate SC2F.org from the rest of the pack? TL will keep the old school and take waves upon waves of new students over SC2F.org because of it's sheer almighty presence in the general StarCraft community. There are tens of thousands more people that frequent TL and you can bet that at least 2/3rds of those numbers will play SC2 eventually and they'll tell their friends to visit TL also. SC2F will get a few new people, sure. But how are you going to keep the new people coming in after the initial launch of SC2? And how are you going to keep your current members active?
Obviously we all know that the internet is an unpredictable/uncontrollable beast in it's own, but what is common knowledge is that if you can't secure your spot in the race ahaed of time you won't be able to catch up unless you fight back ten-fold. And the leaders of the race more often than not hold a monopoly (ie. Digg, Twitter).
I'm assuming you are going to provide the usual, like a map/mod/replay database. There is already a well-established communities for that Staredit.net. As I said before, the name of your site is rather detrimental to it. It lacks flare or uniqueness. No one will quickly associate at the very least as a map/mod/replay site. I think the best move, since from what I quickly deducted that SC2F and ORGnetwork are affiliated closely, is to combine to them. TL is more than just a forum, it is the best source of original StarCraft articles and the latest in professional/competitive gaming news.
Again, not trying to start a war. Just offering my point of view and critique on SC2F thus far. Hopefully it will help you assess your goals with SC2F further. If you don't come up with something by the time SC2 launches to attract long-lasting members, then SC2F will just be left behind.
On April 04 2009 10:43 Joneagle_X wrote: @Pufftrees
I don't expect you to visit my site. I speak for the opinion of my members, just as I would if I was representing TL. As far as I've seen there is no overlap. TL members tend to be heavily SC oriented and, meanwhile, my site is heavily SC2 oriented.
You can keep the old school, I'll take the new book, thanks.
And if logical thought is enough to keep you away from my site, so be it.
@ Skyze
Thanks for the backup?
Not trying to start a war here or anything, but what exactly do you aim to achieve with your site?
Your site is called StarCraft2Forum.org, so from what any outsider would see is that it is just another forum site for StarCraft II fans. There are dozens of sites on the internet, so what will separate SC2F.org from the rest of the pack? TL will keep the old school and take waves upon waves of new students over SC2F.org because of it's sheer almighty presence in the general StarCraft community. There are tens of thousands more people that frequent TL and you can bet that at least 2/3rds of those numbers will play SC2 eventually and they'll tell their friends to visit TL also. SC2F will get a few new people, sure. But how are you going to keep the new people coming in after the initial launch of SC2? And how are you going to keep your current members active?
Obviously we all know that the internet is an unpredictable/uncontrollable beast in it's own, but what is common knowledge is that if you can't secure your spot in the race ahaed of time you won't be able to catch up unless you fight back ten-fold. And the leaders of the race more often than not hold a monopoly (ie. Digg, Twitter).
I'm assuming you are going to provide the usual, like a map/mod/replay database. There is already a well-established communities for that Staredit.net. As I said before, the name of your site is rather detrimental to it. It lacks flare or uniqueness. No one will quickly associate at the very least as a map/mod/replay site. I think the best move, since from what I quickly deducted that SC2F and ORGnetwork are affiliated closely, is to combine to them. TL is more than just a forum, it is the best source of original StarCraft articles and the latest in professional/competitive gaming news.
Again, not trying to start a war. Just offering my point of view and critique on SC2F thus far. Hopefully it will help you assess your goals with SC2F further. If you don't come up with something by the time SC2 launches to attract long-lasting members, then SC2F will just be left behind.
Not to speak for him, but I've been looking at his site. It seems like a nice and comfortable environment for casual players to discuss SC2, and it will more than likely stay that way. As long as the admins there enjoy running the website and being a part of their community, I don't see why anyone should have to worry about what 'unique special thing' they will bring to become a top site.
But to Jon, I would have to say that it isn't very accurate to say the TL is focused on the old school game while SC2F is looking at the new game. It's more like TL is focused on both SC and SC2; SC just gets more attention here because, well, it's actually a completed game that people can play atm. When SC2 is released, I am sure it will get more discussion here, and if/when it develops its pro-scene, TL will probably continue to be the number one site for pro-scene coverage.
On April 04 2009 11:39 GGQ wrote:Not to speak for him, but I've been looking at his site. It seems like a nice and comfortable environment for casual players to discuss SC2, and it will more than likely stay that way. As long as the admins there enjoy running the website and being a part of their community, I don't see why anyone should have to worry about what 'unique special thing' they will bring to become a top site.
I wasn't necessarily insinuating that his goal was to make SC2F profitable or a top site. There is nothing wrong with running a website as a hobby and to converse with people that share your interests, but you can't disagree that without something to get new blood flowing inwards your community will just become stale and stagnant; additionally, the current blood will slowly leave out of boredom. I guess I assumed that Jon wanted to expand SC2F further than what it is now.
On April 03 2009 12:41 Joneagle_X wrote: I have to say I'm mostly pleased with the attitudes of the members on here about the April Fools registration.. and I think most people have got it spot on. Those who thought it was worth it to sacrifice a little pride and gamble on getting pranked are being rewarded with a chance at a beta key. I'd stop very short of calling those who submitted "idiots." In fact, I might bestow the title on those who didn't submit.
And I don't see why this would worry any of you here. Clearly since TL.net is the only fansite on the planet you have the only chances of getting keys. :D
Who could possibly not like drooling over Korean pros all day?
Stop thinking in terms of "us" and "them". TL is not a homogeneous group of people.
And if you want people here to stop expressing opinions that imply that TL is the only starcraft fansite worth the name, then make them do that by producing a better site. Don't come here and whine about it.
On April 04 2009 10:43 Joneagle_X wrote: @Pufftrees
I don't expect you to visit my site. I speak for the opinion of my members, just as I would if I was representing TL. As far as I've seen there is no overlap. TL members tend to be heavily SC oriented and, meanwhile, my site is heavily SC2 oriented.
You can keep the old school, I'll take the new book, thanks.
And if logical thought is enough to keep you away from my site, so be it.
@ Skyze
Thanks for the backup?
Not trying to start a war here or anything, but what exactly do you aim to achieve with your site?
Your site is called StarCraft2Forum.org, so from what any outsider would see is that it is just another forum site for StarCraft II fans. There are dozens of sites on the internet, so what will separate SC2F.org from the rest of the pack? TL will keep the old school and take waves upon waves of new students over SC2F.org because of it's sheer almighty presence in the general StarCraft community. There are tens of thousands more people that frequent TL and you can bet that at least 2/3rds of those numbers will play SC2 eventually and they'll tell their friends to visit TL also. SC2F will get a few new people, sure. But how are you going to keep the new people coming in after the initial launch of SC2? And how are you going to keep your current members active?
Obviously we all know that the internet is an unpredictable/uncontrollable beast in it's own, but what is common knowledge is that if you can't secure your spot in the race ahaed of time you won't be able to catch up unless you fight back ten-fold. And the leaders of the race more often than not hold a monopoly (ie. Digg, Twitter).
I'm assuming you are going to provide the usual, like a map/mod/replay database. There is already a well-established communities for that Staredit.net. As I said before, the name of your site is rather detrimental to it. It lacks flare or uniqueness. No one will quickly associate at the very least as a map/mod/replay site. I think the best move, since from what I quickly deducted that SC2F and ORGnetwork are affiliated closely, is to combine to them. TL is more than just a forum, it is the best source of original StarCraft articles and the latest in professional/competitive gaming news.
Again, not trying to start a war. Just offering my point of view and critique on SC2F thus far. Hopefully it will help you assess your goals with SC2F further. If you don't come up with something by the time SC2 launches to attract long-lasting members, then SC2F will just be left behind.
Not to speak for him, but I've been looking at his site. It seems like a nice and comfortable environment for casual players to discuss SC2, and it will more than likely stay that way. As long as the admins there enjoy running the website and being a part of their community, I don't see why anyone should have to worry about what 'unique special thing' they will bring to become a top site.
But to Jon, I would have to say that it isn't very accurate to say the TL is focused on the old school game while SC2F is looking at the new game. It's more like TL is focused on both SC and SC2; SC just gets more attention here because, well, it's actually a completed game that people can play atm. When SC2 is released, I am sure it will get more discussion here, and if/when it develops its pro-scene, TL will probably continue to be the number one site for pro-scene coverage.
I totally agree with this. Jon you seem to be saying that SC2F caters to SC2 (future) fans, and TL.net caters to SC fans but I don't see any SC2 news on your site that I wasn't aware of, or any SC2 related discussions that I haven't already witnessed (or participated in). And TL.net is my only source of SC/SC2 info. However (this is the part where I say I think your site is really good), the way the info is presented is very different. Your front page pretty much sums up most of the SC2 info you need; while on TL you have to dig it out if you don't check the site frequently (and it took me some time to discover how awesome the Pony Express is). This isn't a problem because I DO check TL.net frequently. And that makes me a pretty serious fan, which is why I navigate on TL. So what I'm trying to say is that the distinction isn't about SC2 fan versus SC fan, but serious fan versus more casual fan (generalizing obviously, but the statement still stands). But I'm just repeating what GGQ said.
On a second note: The reason i'm posting though, is because someone brought up the interesting question of how each SC/SC2 related site will evolve after SC2 is released. I believe Spartan (not sure it was, i'll check after posting) said that TL.net would have a more pronounced relative growth than the other sites but I doubt that will be the case. Quite the opposite actually. Both will grow rapidly, but the sites that cater to more casual fans will gain popularity faster (despite the fact there are many of them that serve the same purpose), because most of the new blood WILL be very casual players, who will mostly be casual fans, and they won't be interested in who is all-killing in the proleague, but rather what the latest patch did and when the next expansion will be out. And the tone we come to TL.net for might be a tad too serious for those more casual fans. Note that i'm not saying the "more casual fans" are a bunch of 13 year old kids who play whatever is popular. I'm just saying they are more casual than the average current TL.net user.
However, the casual players who make up most of the casual fanbase will stop being interested in SC2 when they stop playing (which should be in a pretty long time considering it's a blizzard game). However their numbers will vary faster than the more stable serious-fanbase and that'll be a huge factor in the long run.
Basically, in my opinion the SC2 fan sites should hit a spike in popularity when SC2 is released, while TL.net (and sites like it, if there are any), should have a more stable long lasting growth. That being said, the most important part of a community is it's core, and as long as its there, fans will gather around it. And if SC2 takes the same turn as SC:BW, there's no way we could possibly speculate on the next 11 years anyways .
On April 06 2009 04:45 ghermination wrote: It doesn't seem like a very intelligent thing to do to try to insult a site 1000x larger than yours. Please go away.
This right here is what I believe Jon was pointing out as the problem. It is the arrogant/ignorant stance of someone who thinks they are better than you simply because they choose to hang out here (in this instance) versus somewhere else. TL's hardcore fanbase, tournanments, and collection of pro players that hang out here is at the very least, respectable. The curse of being as respectable as TL is, is that it draws a lot of people who act like the person I quoted, who believe just because they choose to hang out here they are gods gift to gaming. In turn this collection of people give off the impression that TL is full of arrogant blowhards that only want to see Sc2 cater to the very elite of Sc players.
For example the last time I posted here I noticed two very distinct groups of people, one who respected my opinion because I had obviously thought it out and was willing to disscuss it and another group of people who berated me simply because I wouldn't instantly agree them. Granted, the are people like the latter group on all websites, TL just seems to have a higher proportion of them, or atleast a higher proportion who post. The reason for this, is like I said earlier, TL has (or had depending on point of view) a large amount of respect, and that much respect tends to attract people who will destroy it.
I agree, with Arbiter and Parasit, the us them mentality has to stop, but its only going to when the people who promote it are quashed or ignored.
I absolutely agree with everything you said. Although I rarely post here, I have been reading the boards here for quite a while. I have a huge amount of respect for the dedicated members at TL. However, many of the people are so arrogant/ignorant, that they just simply don't accept another community's website or their opinions. Just by browsing through this post, you can see some examples of those.
On March 28 2009 12:30 Jonoman92 wrote: If they honestly are leaving TL out of some starcraft website announcement type deal then there is seriously something wrong with them.
Hopefully the April fool's joke is, "lol u silly nub sites ain't gettin no Beta keys! We giving them all to TL.net!"
Just an example.
On the other hand, I still don't get why people are so sensitive about the hardcore/casual part of SC2. Why can't we just all get along? I mean, aren't we all buying SC2 just to enjoy the game? I mean, all these fighting and hating between the hardcore/casual gamers are extremely childish and lack of intelligence. If people want to make a constructive argument/criticism, thats great. But I have been seen tons of arguments on the hardcore/casual part that basically leads to no where.
I absolutely agree with FrozenArbiter. Working together would be much better. But in order to do that, the first step is to learn how to respect other people's and their communities opinion. Without respect, the SC2 community will always be separated.