EPT"Starcraft II Expansion To Feature Fourth Race?" - Page 2
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rushz0rz
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SiNnerSaVeD
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
Guess I'm just having de ja vu | ||
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Viledica
Canada361 Posts
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
On August 30 2008 12:26 freshtowers wrote: More units+ more races = more fun GREAT PHILOSOPHY. Lets add 10 races, 10 TIMES THE FUN!!!! You only have to look at warcraft 3 for a second to see the problem with adding more races. Less uniqueness between the races. More overlap of units. Starcraft currently has very little overlap of units. Each unit is very different from every other unit in the game, and gives each race a unique way of going about the game. The closest two units I can think of in starcraft would be the Ultralisk and the Archon. However they are still very different in the strategies used with them. If you look at warcraft 3, the similarities between units and races is just in your face the entire game. Tauren, Abominations, Knights are basically the same units with slightly differing stats. Footmen, Grunts, Ghouls. Catapults, Meat Wagons, Glaive Throwers. The more the races overlap, the less unique they are, the worse this game will be off. | ||
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freshtowers
Albania64 Posts
On August 30 2008 12:55 moebius_string wrote: It's called WC3. The game is fun, but the fun is fleeting because of balnance. I played Dawn of War which was also fun, but watched as the game was flogged to death with race after race after race at the expense of game balance. And why in the world would the race number have anything to do with those games being imbalanced? Infact wc3 is fairly balanced it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be and dawn of war isn't created by blizzard so it has nothing to do with anything. Balancing 4 races is very very easy and doesn't take long especially with input from pros. It's just up to how commited blizzard is to balancing it, if they are they can balance 6 races, it will take time but the finished product would be alot funner than 3 races. How are you going to be playing the sc2 ladder with a mirror matchup every 2 games or so? Going to be really boring | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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freshtowers
Albania64 Posts
On August 30 2008 14:37 Fen wrote: GREAT PHILOSOPHY. Lets add 10 races, 10 TIMES THE FUN!!!! You only have to look at warcraft 3 for a second to see the problem with adding more races. Less uniqueness between the races. More overlap of units. Starcraft currently has very little overlap of units. Each unit is very different from every other unit in the game, and gives each race a unique way of going about the game. The closest two units I can think of in starcraft would be the Ultralisk and the Archon. However they are still very different in the strategies used with them. If you look at warcraft 3, the similarities between units and races is just in your face the entire game. Tauren, Abominations, Knights are basically the same units with slightly differing stats. Footmen, Grunts, Ghouls. Catapults, Meat Wagons, Glaive Throwers. The more the races overlap, the less unique they are, the worse this game will be off. 2 very similar races are way better than just one unique because there will be less mirrors. Look at iccup so so so many players who are not korean pros training always pick a different race to avoid a boring mirror and just because wc3 races are slightly similar doesn't mean anything. Blizzard was abit less creative, so? It's not hard to make things not overlap if you put effort into it. If you don't think the more tha merrier then why not just limit the game to a single race? oh that's just too boring and 3 is still to little you guys never even tried a 4 race starcraft it's not like they couldn't remove the fourth race if it failed in beta. Look at the starcraft leagues at the moment and the talk about the decline that's all because it's too much of the same there's not enough things to make someone stand out and practicing 3 matchups is very easy. This will create more interest and raise the skill level because now you have to memorize 4 matchups instead of just 3 | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
but on topic, i'll really be surprised if there isnt a 4th race in the single player campaign just because they said they will be continuing the story line and that story line includes a protoss/zerg hybrid race. soooo yea. but if they put it in multiplayer, balance is going to altqq. | ||
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moebius_string
United States264 Posts
On August 30 2008 14:48 freshtowers wrote: And why in the world would the race number have anything to do with those games being imbalanced? Infact wc3 is fairly balanced it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be and dawn of war isn't created by blizzard so it has nothing to do with anything. Balancing 4 races is very very easy and doesn't take long especially with input from pros. It's just up to how commited blizzard is to balancing it, if they are they can balance 6 races, it will take time but the finished product would be alot funner than 3 races. How are you going to be playing the sc2 ladder with a mirror matchup every 2 games or so? Going to be really boring Balancing is not as easy as you think or Blizzard wouldn't have to patch these games multiple times. Go to MYM website and read the article on the pros opinions on the newest WC3 patch. Even if you could theoretically balance 6 races, how unique would those 6 races be? I brought up Dawn of War because it is a prime example of what you can get when the developer is primarliy focused on pleasing the ADD generation with imbalance and cheap gimmicks simply to keep people from getting bored. | ||
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freshtowers
Albania64 Posts
On August 30 2008 15:09 moebius_string wrote: This is just an issue of blizzard putting effort into sc2 and they said they want to make it as good as possible. wc3 patches take 2 years to release because its not big enough for them to care about it, blaancing 4 races isn't hard at all. If i took 2 years to do something I'm sure it would seem like my job is really hard when it isn'tBalancing is not as easy as you think or Blizzard wouldn't have to patch these games multiple times. Go to MYM website and read the article on the pros opinions on the newest WC3 patch. Even if you could theoretically balance 6 races, how unique would those 6 races be? I brought up Dawn of War because it is a prime example of what you can get when the developer is primarliy focused on pleasing the ADD generation with imbalance and cheap gimmicks simply to keep people from getting bored. On August 30 2008 15:07 yOko[LuNyA] wrote: i'm so tired of people complaining about mirror matches, when imo they can be some of the funnest games to watch and really are the only way to determine if someone is better than someone else because they have the same shit to work with. but on topic, i'll really be surprised if there isnt a 4th race in the single player campaign just because they said they will be continuing the story line and that story line includes a protoss/zerg hybrid race. soooo yea. but if they put it in multiplayer, balance is going to altqq. except mirror matches have the most luck involved in them just because both players get to use the exact same units. One player is 100 % going to have the lesser build of the 2 unless they do the EXACT same thing. ZvZ for example is almost all build order unless you're jaedong. Even mondragon beat savior in this matchup | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
There are still three races, but for those who want more races added in, this may be able to satisfy (I hope) while still maintaining balance~ | ||
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freshtowers
Albania64 Posts
On August 30 2008 15:22 Ozarugold wrote: Okay I just read the word 'funner' and 'funnest' and I'm like 60% sure they aren't real words. Anyways, I always thought that it would be neat if there was some sort of mini-races you could hire. It doesn't fit into the Starcraft lore, but I thought the premise was pretty fun...I mean, funner. Like a cow or a fish race might at a little variety and all of a sudden a TvZ is suddenly a TCvZF or the Zerg might be bold and go with that turkey race no one ever chooses because they are too micro-intensive. There are still three races, but for those who want more races added in, this may be able to satisfy (I hope) while still maintaining balance~ What does it matter if it's a word or not isn't the whole purpose to communicate? Is this an essay that will determine my future? must everything I type be done to the most utter perfection? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 30 2008 11:10 ohhsuup wrote: if a 4th race is introduced, it will no doubt destroy starcraft as we know it. IT'S NOT SC AS YOU KNOW IT: IT'S A 60 DOLLAR NEW GAME. fuck. i dont know if this will kill it or not but the idea that we have to make sc2-sc2x exactly like sc-bw is annoying the hell out of me. i dont know if i want a 4th race or what for the expansion but take some risks, wow me. i want more than two new units is all i'm sayin even if it, gasps, means change. i want a new game, at least a little, when i buy a new game. | ||
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freshtowers
Albania64 Posts
On August 30 2008 15:41 choboPEon wrote: IT'S NOT SC AS YOU KNOW IT: IT'S A 60 DOLLAR NEW GAME. fuck. i dont know if this will kill it or not but the idea that we have to make sc2-sc2x exactly like sc-bw is annoying the hell out of me. i dont know if i want a 4th race or what for the expansion but take some risks, wow me. i want more than two new units is all i'm sayin even if it, gasps, means change. i want a new game, at least a little, when i buy a new game. Exactly. There are already articles about starcraft declining in korea so why keep going down the same road? | ||
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Morzas
United States387 Posts
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Ozarugold
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On August 30 2008 15:26 freshtowers wrote: What does it matter if it's a word or not isn't the whole purpose to communicate? Is this an essay that will determine my future? must everything I type be done to the most utter perfection? Um...sorry? Didn't mean to insult you, I just thought it was funny... | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
On August 30 2008 16:35 yOko[LuNyA] wrote: english as a third language, sorry if i mess up a word or two. It's okay if you mess up a word or two, it's no big deal just as long you get your point across. I just find it a little depressing that my suceeding generation actually uses words incorrectly. Although, I'm not that much better myself -_-;; | ||
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