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kevisyum
Israel105 Posts
In the making of the game to make sure that the game can not easily be ended in 6 min but also will not likely last 36min? It seems that in order to do this, higher tech lvl units would need to take just a few seconds longer to get to (except for the fire bat) And there are soem crazy upgrades latter on that you could win the game with? My solution might be out of whack- Is this even a problem worth considering? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2576 Posts
This is a good thing. You want a game where a difference in skill levels shows quickly and leads to a quick and decisive victory. You do not want a game where you know your better than your opponent but it still takes ages to grind him down and make that victory certain. It also means you get to play more games wich is good. And it means that longer games are better. I think Blizzard said they wanted ~20 minute long games? | ||
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
12 - 15 minutes? | ||
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Kraekkling
Romania380 Posts
I think 12-15 minute is quite true, beeing different for each players style. | ||
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HonkHonkBeep
China353 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
On December 10 2007 07:58 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Yes. Blizzard have stated that they want the average game to be short. This is a good thing. You want a game where a difference in skill levels shows quickly and leads to a quick and decisive victory. You do not want a game where you know your better than your opponent but it still takes ages to grind him down and make that victory certain. It also means you get to play more games wich is good. And it means that longer games are better. I think Blizzard said they wanted ~20 minute long games? I agree with everything the cute kitten said :3 | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On December 10 2007 09:18 IntoTheWow wrote: I agree with everything the cute kitten said :3 Seconded, meow! | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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BlackSphinx
Canada317 Posts
On December 10 2007 09:24 IaniAniaN wrote: 12 minutes is the average if both people know what they're doing, but one has a better strategy. Longer if it turns into a huge macro game. I just hope that it doesn't end up like War3 with the game coming to a cataclismic end at 20ish minutes no matter what. ? Most games last about 14-16 minutes in WC3, and you'll often see even games go to 30-40 minutes. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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L0veandPeace
30 Posts
On December 10 2007 14:54 Luddite wrote: I have mixed feelings on this. in BW, there's a huge amount of variation in game lenght. Some times they're over in 5 minutes, other times it takes 2 hours. Now, on the one hand, that's nice because it adds a lot of variation to the game, which keeps it interesting. On the other hand, it can be very frustrating when you sit down to play a quick game of BW and end up having to leave before it's over because the game went long and you've got to get to work. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, if you're expecting to watch an epic 5 game championship series, and boxer ends it in 20 minutes with 3 bunker rushes- that sucks. ahahahahaha. boxer. poor yellow. | ||
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axel
France385 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On December 10 2007 19:44 axel wrote: i have noticed that top abusers in ladder have very short game lenght, whatever the race. Fixed | ||
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
He also told some whiny game-mag-journalist who complained about people 'disregarding the entire techtree and just trying to get 6 lings into your base asap' that they thought rushing was a vital part of the game and they'd keep it as a valid strategy, so games could end in 5 minutes as well. I'm sorry for the lack of source but I'm 100% sure this is what he said (I think it was Chris). Now for some speculation: I don't think 40-minute games will be as 'common' (you can't call them common I know, but they'll be even less common) in SC2 because a few 'sex-it-up' factors Blizzard has added, like yellow minerals and observatories giving a pretty strong advantage to the dominant player in terms of economy and mapcontrol. Seems like a conscient effort to keep games shorter =) | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32037 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2576 Posts
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sidz
Finland31 Posts
On December 11 2007 05:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Logically it should only affect 4 and 5 pool. but makes 6 pool easier :p | ||
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kevisyum
Israel105 Posts
so all new elements that will reduce average game time starting with 6 workers (my favorite) - saves around 40sec? yellow minerals - this will be very interesting to watch players rush/ build up for. But will Terran be able to hold and harras the yellow mineral areas better or will it all balance out? observatories on map for map control - I don't see this making games any shorter- but it will be an interesting point of conflict. extra "sex-it-up" factors as stegosaur added. So I think it;s currently looking like an average game length of 10-15min? | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On December 10 2007 09:18 IntoTheWow wrote: I agree with everything the cute kitten said :3 I actually disagree. Short games don't necessarily mean that the one who is better wins; there's more than enough instances where someone will pull some bs cheese build and end up winning by luck. | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
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wXs.Havok
Argentina529 Posts
It can be so fast jeez :D anyways i would love to have it a little bit less in sc2 ^^ im just like a early and mid game fan | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On December 11 2007 14:36 davidgurt wrote: I actually disagree. Short games don't necessarily mean that the one who is better wins; there's more than enough instances where someone will pull some bs cheese build and end up winning by luck. I think he meant that its good that the one who is better can win faster than before, not that short games is better at deciding than long games. Also that the games that are still long will have a higher quality to them than the old long games. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On December 11 2007 23:15 himurakenshin wrote: will starting with 6 workers make splitting them harder? There's auto-assign for multiple workers to minerals, no splits. Its like wc3 which I won't complain about I like battles more than base building anyway and that's exactly where their shift is going towards. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
a good time would be about 16-24 min a game most of them falling around 19 mins | ||
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intotherainx
United States504 Posts
On December 12 2007 12:57 Alizee- wrote: There's auto-assign for multiple workers to minerals, no splits. Its like wc3 which I won't complain about I like battles more than base building anyway and that's exactly where their shift is going towards.  i was looking forward to splitting 6 workers. damn | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
On December 12 2007 18:20 blagoonga123 wrote: The only matchup that I don't like in SC is TvT because like half of them are 40+ minute behemoths. Hopefully they'll fix that in sc2 well maybe thors will end up being tvt only in most instances becuase im under the impression that it has a larger range than the tanks. just a thought. But they still seem like they will be hell on the mind | ||
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On December 12 2007 16:56 intotherainx wrote: i was looking forward to splitting 6 workers. damnThey auto split was really annoying imo, When I tried to divide them up myself slightly before they did it themselves it just slowed it down even more because the crystals i put half the workers on would already have a auto assigned worker going to them and one of them stopped and had to find a new one. Its like better to do nothing at all except click all 6 on 1 crystal. There should still be a benefit for having the ability to micro 6 workers to separate crystals if you have the skill. I don't like the fact that you start with 6 in the first place either (maybe 5 would be fine, i dunno). 6 totally removes the threat of early economy sacrificing rushes. Because the buildings and tech still takes the same time. So by the time your 6pool arrives they wont have like 1-2rines and a bunker they will have 6 rines and an academy half way done. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
So you want to have the benefit of splitting, when you are not actually able to do it? Not to mention the completely rediculous example about early game rushes, both players get the first 40 seconds of the game cut off, there is no way in hell that this will magically tranfer into a 3 times more time for the terran compared to the zerg, it's obviously the same and seriously take your pills. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Its not 'just the same' for everyone but with more workers. Just try it in BW now, Make everyone start with 6 workers. I will guarantee you it will negate any 6 pool even if you do the most standard of builds. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the only thing that would change is z would be like 2 seconds behind since they can start their 6th drone before their 5th finishes with the current system. other than that it would be exactly the same as if you had 2 people playing for the first 40 seconds and then you took over for them. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On December 13 2007 06:59 CharlieMurphy wrote: The Bwchart data is flawed unless you save every single replay. Me personally , I only save replays which I consider good games (or for some specific purpose). Usually those criteria alone make every game longer than 7 or so minutes by default (I'm not saving 4pool reps and shit). If you use BWLauncher and you have the most updated version of ChaosPlugin, you can enable autoreplay saving, which saves every replay of every game you play. Which would make your results accurate. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On December 13 2007 06:21 CharlieMurphy wrote: Your missing my point. 6 marines is not just 6x more effective vs 6 zerglings, it doesn't work that way. I don't want to try and break it all down theorycraft style (mostly because we don't have the engine to test it anyways), but I know its going to change the whole concept of rushing drastically. Its not 'just the same' for everyone but with more workers. Just try it in BW now, Make everyone start with 6 workers. I will guarantee you it will negate any 6 pool even if you do the most standard of builds. What about following your own advice and testing it in BW, so you can finally see what everybody, except you, considers freaking obvious... thinking before posting will also help, but I bet it's too much to ask... | ||
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