EPTOn August 13 2024 21:45 MJG wrote:
Nothing intriguing for Protoss fans then...
Nothing intriguing for Protoss fans then...
But of course, it's a tournament
Five Narratives To Follow At EWC - Page 2
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On August 14 2024 03:20 WombaT wrote: Personally I wish the community was more against this than it is, but they’re not gonna flip via repetition, and I feel the whole mod team have given plenty of space for dissenting opinions. I agree on all three points. I don't really follow SC2 anymore, but just checked back after a couple of weeks and was positively surprised the Saudi sportswashing issue isn't completely swept under the rug. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On August 14 2024 03:59 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote: Agree, but I don't think it is derailing if the only reason this is in Saudi Arabia, 90 percent of whole SC2 funding is from Saudi Arabia. To me, it feels like all the people involved and paid by this AND the players are deliberately not even acknowledging the BIG elephant in the room, pretending that it is just another tournament. I get that it is probably the biggest paycheck they the commentators and players will ever have. But at some point, you have to ask yourself whether it is sustainable to have like all the players + 50 commentators for many languages, analysts, hosts etc while having likely pityful number of viewers. At this point, the players/commentators are just pawn solely to sportswash. At this point, it is probably better to find a normal fucking job with the benefit of not having to denigrate yourself. At least you keep your self-respect. Lol and which jobs would you be referring to? And keep in mind the company that you will be working for will be related to some form of human right violation or crime. I literally don’t want to hear anyone that is living in the first world trying desperately to stand on the moral high ground. Because new flash everything that you are using or enjoying in life is at the expense of someone else. I love what the Saudi are doing for the sc2 scene. These tournaments gets the fans hype up and supports the pros/caster/basically everyone involved in it. How Saudi gets these money to fund all these sports events I would not care less. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26617 Posts
On August 14 2024 07:27 Blitzball04 wrote: Lol and which jobs would you be referring to? And keep in mind the company that you will be working for will be related to some form of human right violation or crime. I literally don’t want to hear anyone that is living in the first world trying desperately to stand on the moral high ground. Because new flash everything that you are using or enjoying in life is at the expense of someone else. I love what the Saudi are doing for the sc2 scene. These tournaments gets the fans hype up and supports the pros/caster/basically everyone involved in it. How Saudi gets these money to fund all these sports events I would not care less. This is like when people take ‘there is no ethical consumption under capitalism’ to mean ‘well if that’s the case let’s not have any standards whatsoever’ | ||
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johnnyh123
124 Posts
Rooting for herO and Maru. Maru almost always underperforms in overseas offline tournaments, hope he can go to Riyadh a few days earlier and get used to the environment. (Though admittedly, Riyadh is a pretty boring tourist destination) | ||
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rwala
338 Posts
On August 14 2024 03:20 WombaT wrote: To a degree, my posting record is there for anyone to read that it’s both very consistently against this whole endeavour, with zero mod action whatsoever. But for me, say your piece and make your position known, engage if engaged and then leave the stage for the purposes of enjoying the games for those who wish to enjoy the games. There comes a point where it can just be crusading derailing. Personally I wish the community was more against this than it is, but they’re not gonna flip via repetition, and I feel the whole mod team have given plenty of space for dissenting opinions. Yeah, it's an important discussion. It's clear that those of us who are concerned about the Saudi money are in the minority, but then again I wouldn't expect gaming culture to be a paragon of sophistication when it comes to human rights or social justice. Gamergate was the tip of the iceberg. | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On August 14 2024 12:58 rwala wrote: Yeah, it's an important discussion. It's clear that those of us who are concerned about the Saudi money are in the minority, but then again I wouldn't expect gaming culture to be a paragon of sophistication when it comes to human rights or social justice. Gamergate was the tip of the iceberg. The moral implications of that should go to a separate topic instead of being lumped into there. I'd prefer to focus on esports, even if I literally burn to throw my opinion. Side note : I don't think Gamergate is the same thing because it involved criminal elements (won't enter into details) - there it's "only" moral and where you put your compass. | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
On August 14 2024 12:43 johnnyh123 wrote: Thanks for the write-up. Mostly agree with the 5 players, but definitely adding our Protoss hope, herO, for a potential champion candidate. Rooting for herO and Maru. Maru almost always underperforms in overseas offline tournaments, hope he can go to Riyadh a few days earlier and get used to the environment. (Though admittedly, Riyadh is a pretty boring tourist destination) By "underperform" you mean he made multiple Grand Finals in those tournaments but couldnt get the win? Thats a pretty high bar outside of Serral. But I am just more concerned with Maru drive and prepwork overall, seems like hes not very motivated to win, just rather about making money. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7150 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3489 Posts
On August 13 2024 21:45 MJG wrote: Nothing intriguing for Protoss fans then... Welcome to LotV post Serral solving the game. I think Dark will scrappily win this one. | ||
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PremoBeats
547 Posts
I would have liked to see herO as a representation of Protoss with herO being able to crown his insanely long career (he has more PT wins in the more competitive era in contrast to the "more figured out" era, which is why another win there would cement his status among the best of SC2) with a world championship. So far he never made it past the quarters and looking at his group it will be tough.. but it would be nice to see him as a player overall and as a Protoss take it home. | ||
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rwala
338 Posts
On August 14 2024 14:02 Philippe wrote: The moral implications of that should go to a separate topic instead of being lumped into there. I'd prefer to focus on esports, even if I literally burn to throw my opinion. Side note : I don't think Gamergate is the same thing because it involved criminal elements (won't enter into details) - there it's "only" moral and where you put your compass. That’s fine it can be a separate topic though as of now there is not one. That said, you’re kind of demonstrating my point here. You do realize that the reason Saudi is doing this is to cover up its criminal human rights record right? My intention is not to take away from anyone’s enjoyment of this event, but it seems to me fair to at minimum acknowledge the reality of the situation rather than bury our heads in the sand. | ||
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kAra
Germany1409 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1921 Posts
On August 14 2024 19:41 kAra wrote: did protoss go back to sc1 or where did they go? Incoming herO content soon. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada128 Posts
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Philippe
354 Posts
On August 14 2024 19:36 rwala wrote: That’s fine it can be a separate topic though as of now there is not one. That said, you’re kind of demonstrating my point here. You do realize that the reason Saudi is doing this is to cover up its criminal human rights record right? My intention is not to take away from anyone’s enjoyment of this event, but it seems to me fair to at minimum acknowledge the reality of the situation rather than bury our heads in the sand. Wanting to have a strictly separated topic does not mean the topic is buried as it's still public. On the contrary, that would be where the problem would be discussed best versus mixing both and jumping from A to Z and vice-versa. As for this topic, I'll still talk about the economical side of the coin : even if there's enough views for ESL to keep funding the circuit (and hopefully better distribute it, though I'm not optimistic about it), will they do so, is not a guarantee given how the RTS genre is on the pyramid compared to action, mobas or combat, but as long it only costs a fraction compared to CS:GO, probably. I can't exclude going to Katowice sometime in the future, but Riyadh is way too far and uncomfortable to boot in the summer. Would be interesting to know whether their live gate is and how far they're reliant on the sponsors. (and how deep the Saudi Ministry of Sport funded it, because looking at Gamers8 ...) | ||
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mintyminmus
Australia127 Posts
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Expensive-Law-9830
130 Posts
On August 14 2024 07:27 Blitzball04 wrote: Lol and which jobs would you be referring to? And keep in mind the company that you will be working for will be related to some form of human right violation or crime. I literally don’t want to hear anyone that is living in the first world trying desperately to stand on the moral high ground. Because new flash everything that you are using or enjoying in life is at the expense of someone else. I love what the Saudi are doing for the sc2 scene. These tournaments gets the fans hype up and supports the pros/caster/basically everyone involved in it. How Saudi gets these money to fund all these sports events I would not care less. I like how you are paid nothing but still actively work for saudis in their sportswashing | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26617 Posts
On August 15 2024 02:39 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote: I like how you are paid nothing but still actively work for saudis in their sportswashing Aside from various moral concerns, it’s also not a place with some sound bedrock in the history of eSports either. I feel this is somewhat neglected in the wider conversation. SC2 had a world championship equivalent, in Katowice. The ‘benefit’ of this tournament is commentators spending big chunks of the broadcast hyping the EWC qualifications rather than Katowice itself. An event in a location reasonably cheaply accessible to a big chunk of SC2’s actual audience too. They have enough money to throw some show matches at Gamers 8 that had a prize pool in the ballpark if not more than a GSL season. If they were ‘good for SC2’ instead of sportswashing and doing vanity projects, maybe they’d throw money where it would actually benefit the wider scene. Korea’s scene, such a storied part of the history of this game is sorely needing that investment. But it doesn’t get it because this has nothing to do really with the health of the wider SC2 ecosystem. It’s a nonsense vanity project | ||
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