EPTEither that, or a protoss
GOAT Addendum: Maru and the perception of Code S - Page 10
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Acrofales
Spain17971 Posts
Either that, or a protoss | ||
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njleslu2024
57 Posts
On May 24 2024 02:51 Charoisaur wrote: We're comparing Maru and Serral here so Rogue/Inno etc. being better than him isn't relevant. The Serral fans argument is that Maru can't be the Goat because Serral is better than him. But Serral being clearly better than him was only the case for 2,5 years out of Marus 14 year career. XY has more than 17 years of Starscraft career including BW, serral only became better than XY after 2017 (when serral becomes a full time player), which is only 7 years out of 17 years of his long career. So XY should be ranked higher in list than Serral. | ||
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rwala
279 Posts
On May 23 2024 22:37 goldensail wrote: I never thought I would have to defend Maru's micro, it's a bit like defending MJ's fade-away, but here's one of the many games where he showed me what I hadn't seen before (from 05:53): That one was very cute, but try this: | ||
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AlexGano
28 Posts
On May 24 2024 05:57 njleslu2024 wrote: XY has more than 17 years of Starscraft career including BW, serral only became better than XY after 2017 (when serral becomes a full time player), which is only 7 years out of 17 years of his long career. So XY should be ranked higher in list than Serral. (1/1)? Glad to hear that as a XY's fan | ||
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njleslu2024
57 Posts
bro saw you from scboy forum | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15919 Posts
On May 24 2024 05:57 njleslu2024 wrote: XY has more than 17 years of Starscraft career including BW, serral only became better than XY after 2017 (when serral becomes a full time player), which is only 7 years out of 17 years of his long career. So XY should be ranked higher in list than Serral. Shouldn't have bothered replying to a troll account. But I'm not the one saying head-to-head is the deciding factor so you don't even have an argument | ||
Poopi
France12790 Posts
On May 24 2024 09:22 rwala wrote: That one was very cute, but try this: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-_2kjicW6o Those are amazing, thanks  Especially for back then, it's pretty good micro. I remember Maru showcasing insane micro in 2017 as well, but for some reason he didn't manage yet to be successful in LotV. Since I didn't follow much of HotS, I remembered Maru as this young promising terran from Prime, and I wondered why he wasn't as successful as TY/INno/ByuN in LotV after seeing some of his TvZ games. He was displaying crazy micro and multitasking, but somehow wasn't winning the events. (at the time I saw no one else in the world display such micro, it was after ByuN's blizzcon win so probably 2017) Then in 2018 history had been made, he found a way to just win, things started clicking for him | ||
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goldensail
132 Posts
On May 24 2024 19:08 Poopi wrote: Those are amazing, thanks Especially for back then, it's pretty good micro. I remember Maru showcasing insane micro in 2017 as well, but for some reason he didn't manage yet to be successful in LotV. Since I didn't follow much of HotS, I remembered Maru as this young promising terran from Prime, and I wondered why he wasn't as successful as TY/INno/ByuN in LotV after seeing some of his TvZ games. He was displaying crazy micro and multitasking, but somehow wasn't winning the events. (at the time I saw no one else in the world display such micro, it was after ByuN's blizzcon win so probably 2017) Then in 2018 history had been made, he found a way to just win, things started clicking for him I went back to watch 2018 GSL S1 again, the RO4 between Maru and Dark was breathtaking and this was Maru with the full package - offense, defense, strategy, tactics, micro, multi-tasking - during a time when there was actually decent balance: This and the 2020 GSL ST1 Final between Maru and Dark are two of the best TvZs I've seen. Maru's multi-tasking was insane: | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On May 25 2024 02:50 goldensail wrote: I went back to watch 2018 GSL S1 again, the RO4 between Maru and Dark was breathtaking and this was Maru with the full package - offense, defense, strategy, tactics, micro, multi-tasking - during a time when there was actually decent balance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccz_kY51tEY&list=PL9kbtXdyV0zvm9WFqSZvLNap4S6G6AFqV&index=65 This and the 2020 GSL ST1 Final between Maru and Dark are two of the best TvZs I've seen. Maru's multi-tasking was insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBINsLYKkp4&t=8527s Should include also Maru vs Dark at WESG. | ||
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goldensail
132 Posts
On May 25 2024 04:54 swarminfestor wrote: Should include also Maru vs Dark at WESG. While that was an exciting series, from a level-of-play perspective I feel it was not as high as the two above. Btw as a Maru fan, I find the two World Team League 2022 Winter Code A matches between Onsyde and Invictus (liquipedia.net) a lot of fun. While they were one-sided, they did allow Maru to showcase some very entertaining micro. | ||
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Comedy
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On May 29 2024 00:04 Comedy wrote: keep the echo chamber rollin' There was no echo chamber about Serral whatsoever  So, Maru is incredible in many ways, but to me what was the most impressive was his ability to do virtually impossible things, like this game vs Reynor + Show Spoiler + He could have defended far more easily, but he thought Reynor's attack was over or something, and he would have lost the game if not for his incredible micro / defense. It made the game goes for far longer (albeit Maru was slightly ahead basically the whole game) and it provided insane entertainment in the beginning of the game (especially for those who like flashy action), and also nice and chill entertainment with a calmer macro game later on. That ability not just to win, but to win looking like a god in the process, is what makes Maru the greatest player imho. Obviously his resume / results are incredible, but the way he plays is also pure entertainment | ||
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Comedy
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On May 29 2024 01:09 Comedy wrote: that game just looks like a throw by reynor I mean aren’t all lost Zerg games kind of throws anyways? Except in the mirror MU  | ||
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goldensail
132 Posts
On May 29 2024 00:04 Comedy wrote: keep the echo chamber rollin' We're sharing entertaining content, as fans do, under a thread that is about Maru. You contribute nothing but sarcasm, just because you like a different player. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On May 29 2024 01:53 ZeroByte13 wrote: I guess it comes with the territory when you root for the second best Starcraft II player of all times. You have Serral as #2 best player of all time? It's an interesting choice, personally I hesitate between #3 and #4, him or Zest. #1 I have Maru, and #2 (no it's not soO) I have INnoVation. The fact that his brother Gumayusi is also godlike in League of Legends, playing in the GOAT LoL team (hi Boxer, thank you very much for SKT) alongside the LoL GOAT Faker, finished to convince me that talent > everything in esports. Inspiration is a close 2nd, as it drives people to work hard. Still, I have Serral as the uncontested best zerg player of all time in starcraft 2. Life doesn't hold a candle to Serral in terms of talent. As for poor INno, he was so absurdly dominant during the early HotS days with broken hellbats, it must have felt boring. The 4-0 by Maru in that 2013 WCS KR / OSL was probably the first time he realized he just encountered the future god of Starcraft 2, similarly to the 5 gods in Super Smash Bros Melee. His WESG victory versus Serral is the time he managed to defeat the zerg god of Starcraft 2. | ||
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ZeroByte13
761 Posts
On May 29 2024 02:25 Poopi wrote: I referenced the Mizenhauer's list here.You have Serral as #2 best player of all time? But I'd also say Serral is #2 or #3 behind Rogue - probably #2 as Rogue went to military service while Serral kept raking in tourney wins. If Rogue didn't leave - maybe we'd have somewhat different conversation. Inno at his peak was just terrifying but he fell off a lot after 2018 when he basically stopped practicing. Zest is the best, and the protoss GOAT for sure, but I'd have him as #5 or #6 maybe. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1847 Posts
On May 29 2024 02:43 ZeroByte13 wrote: I referenced the Mizenhauer's list here. But I'd also say Serral is #2 or #3 behind Rogue - probably #2 as Rogue went to military service while Serral kept raking in tourney wins. If Rogue didn't leave - maybe we'd have somewhat different conversation. Inno at his peak was just terrifying but he fell off a lot after 2018 when he basically stopped practicing. Zest is the best, and the protoss GOAT for sure, but I'd have him as #5 or #6 maybe. Some interesting INnoVation and Rogue content on the way (i hope it's interesting to someone other than me). | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25038 Posts
On May 29 2024 00:04 Comedy wrote: keep the echo chamber rollin' Ah yes the echo chamber with constant disagreement and discourse in it, that one. | ||
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