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2023 Code S Season 3 Ro16 Groups

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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
September 21 2023 03:02 GMT
#1
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Poll: Group of Death?

There is no Group of Death (47)
 
44%

Group D (34)
 
32%

Group A (11)
 
10%

Group C (10)
 
9%

Group B (5)
 
5%

107 total votes

Your vote: Group of Death?

(Vote): Group A
(Vote): Group B
(Vote): Group C
(Vote): Group D
(Vote): There is no Group of Death

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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7379 Posts
September 21 2023 07:50 GMT
#2
D is Group of no idea. Everything can happen here.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
September 21 2023 10:34 GMT
#3
D if you consider their competitive history back then, but not their current competitive skills level.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-21 17:20:29
September 21 2023 16:26 GMT
#4
Yayy Creator should be able to win vs 2 Z!
Nice to see Stats back too, he should be able to beat Nightmare and Bunny!
Nice to see DRG and soo back just cus it'd suck if they were gone that long.
Really cool to see 2 foreigners in, and Astrea making it again is impressive.
Too bad Ty didn't make it... Ro16 is so competitive now.

Wow we have 6 protoss in Ro16, awesome!!

Are they still gonna try to push the new patch before this? I guess they would have 2 weeks to practice.
It'd be insane actually to see such a big patch change (especially with the new Cyclone/mech!!).
It'd be insane in a very entertaining and healthy way for the viewership. Exciting times!!
Though it's really sad Ty isn't there, he would have done some Mech for sure!
At least we have Gumiho, and maybe Maru will try it too if it's good!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
September 21 2023 18:58 GMT
#5
On September 22 2023 01:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Yayy Creator should be able to win vs 2 Z!
Nice to see Stats back too, he should be able to beat Nightmare and Bunny!
Nice to see DRG and soo back just cus it'd suck if they were gone that long.
Really cool to see 2 foreigners in, and Astrea making it again is impressive.
Too bad Ty didn't make it... Ro16 is so competitive now.

Wow we have 6 protoss in Ro16, awesome!!

Are they still gonna try to push the new patch before this? I guess they would have 2 weeks to practice.
It'd be insane actually to see such a big patch change (especially with the new Cyclone/mech!!).
It'd be insane in a very entertaining and healthy way for the viewership. Exciting times!!
Though it's really sad Ty isn't there, he would have done some Mech for sure!
At least we have Gumiho, and maybe Maru will try it too if it's good!

I'd be pretty shocked if Stats didn't come in last in that group, but if he gets back in shape I'd be thrilled.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 22 2023 06:24 GMT
#6
This GSL is hype as fuck

(P)Stats, (Z)DRG, (P)Classic, (Z)soO, (P)Astrea and (Z)Scarlett.

If (P)sOs and (T)SpeCial (and (T)INnoVation.... hope he tries to qualify another time) it would pretty much be perfect
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
September 22 2023 06:46 GMT
#7
I'm a little sad. It's almost impossible for groups of death to happen now, especially with just 16 players. Excited nonetheless though!
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
199 Posts
September 23 2023 16:36 GMT
#8
If Stats has been putting in the hours for a few months I think he is gonna surprise everyone, his ability to understand and read the game is unmatched imo, that's why he always gets stronger the longer we stay on 1 patch. But with the state of Protoss I don't really know
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16087 Posts
September 23 2023 21:27 GMT
#9
On September 21 2023 19:34 swarminfestor wrote:
D if you consider their competitive history back then, but not their current competitive skills level.

soO is the weak link but Classic, herO and Gumiho are all very strong right now
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ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
September 23 2023 22:19 GMT
#10
I hope Inno isn't done, we never got to properly say goodbye.
SampritB
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom56 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-28 18:45:16
September 28 2023 18:45 GMT
#11
Does anyone know if the group stages will have a live audience ? I will be in Seoul for the First two groups and would love to be able to go.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
September 30 2023 15:43 GMT
#12
Classic / herO group has my vote for most interesting.
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
September 30 2023 16:18 GMT
#13
Did Ragnarok fail to qualify again? I loved his play style when he reached the finals last year. Other than that, I'm happy that my favorite tournament still happens in 2023.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3514 Posts
October 04 2023 09:51 GMT
#14
Ragnarok (or Shin) has not been consistent in those Bo3 qualifier. And the new promo for GSL this season is pretty much Maru Terran vs GSL.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-04 15:40:35
October 04 2023 15:27 GMT
#15
Damn, i didn't realize sOs played in the qualifiers... would have loved if he made it in, but it's so hard now with only Ro16.
Hope he doesn't give up and makes it in next year!

Also i just realized didn't see Dream this year, did he retire? He doesn't seem to have played in the qualifiers this year

Would love for GSL to go back up to Ro24, but i get that they can't sustain it. Just would feel more exciting having more variety of players and feeling they have a chance to go deep, instead of mostly seeing the same Ro16 players.
So many players that could be included like Ty, sOs, Ragnarok, Ryung, Armani, Keen

Hmm seems like Innovation didn't play though rip
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1355 Posts
October 04 2023 16:58 GMT
#16
On October 05 2023 00:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn, i didn't realize sOs played in the qualifiers... would have loved if he made it in, but it's so hard now with only Ro16.
Hope he doesn't give up and makes it in next year!

Also i just realized didn't see Dream this year, did he retire? He doesn't seem to have played in the qualifiers this year

Would love for GSL to go back up to Ro24, but i get that they can't sustain it. Just would feel more exciting having more variety of players and feeling they have a chance to go deep, instead of mostly seeing the same Ro16 players.
So many players that could be included like Ty, sOs, Ragnarok, Ryung, Armani, Keen

Hmm seems like Innovation didn't play though rip


The simple reason why there is no Ro24:
If I haven't misscounted, only 22 players showed up for the qualifier. So this season, if it was Ro24, you would have two BYEs because not even enough players bothered to try it.
...okay, not true, some registered and didn't bother showing up, so I guess these guys would have gotten a free ticket. But you get my point. There are literally not enough players in SK to actually fill a GSL Ro24 and still have it mean something.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16087 Posts
October 04 2023 17:09 GMT
#17
On October 05 2023 01:58 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2023 00:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn, i didn't realize sOs played in the qualifiers... would have loved if he made it in, but it's so hard now with only Ro16.
Hope he doesn't give up and makes it in next year!

Also i just realized didn't see Dream this year, did he retire? He doesn't seem to have played in the qualifiers this year

Would love for GSL to go back up to Ro24, but i get that they can't sustain it. Just would feel more exciting having more variety of players and feeling they have a chance to go deep, instead of mostly seeing the same Ro16 players.
So many players that could be included like Ty, sOs, Ragnarok, Ryung, Armani, Keen

Hmm seems like Innovation didn't play though rip


The simple reason why there is no Ro24:
If I haven't misscounted, only 22 players showed up for the qualifier. So this season, if it was Ro24, you would have two BYEs because not even enough players bothered to try it.
...okay, not true, some registered and didn't bother showing up, so I guess these guys would have gotten a free ticket. But you get my point. There are literally not enough players in SK to actually fill a GSL Ro24 and still have it mean something.

Not sure what you counted but looking at the liquipedia page I already see 25 notable participants and looking at the bracket there are quite some more unknown participants, not to mention the top 4 from last season is already seeded
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1355 Posts
October 04 2023 17:57 GMT
#18
On October 05 2023 02:09 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2023 01:58 Balnazza wrote:
On October 05 2023 00:27 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn, i didn't realize sOs played in the qualifiers... would have loved if he made it in, but it's so hard now with only Ro16.
Hope he doesn't give up and makes it in next year!

Also i just realized didn't see Dream this year, did he retire? He doesn't seem to have played in the qualifiers this year

Would love for GSL to go back up to Ro24, but i get that they can't sustain it. Just would feel more exciting having more variety of players and feeling they have a chance to go deep, instead of mostly seeing the same Ro16 players.
So many players that could be included like Ty, sOs, Ragnarok, Ryung, Armani, Keen

Hmm seems like Innovation didn't play though rip


The simple reason why there is no Ro24:
If I haven't misscounted, only 22 players showed up for the qualifier. So this season, if it was Ro24, you would have two BYEs because not even enough players bothered to try it.
...okay, not true, some registered and didn't bother showing up, so I guess these guys would have gotten a free ticket. But you get my point. There are literally not enough players in SK to actually fill a GSL Ro24 and still have it mean something.

Not sure what you counted but looking at the liquipedia page I already see 25 notable participants and looking at the bracket there are quite some more unknown participants, not to mention the top 4 from last season is already seeded


Apparently yes, I did misscount. 26 players did show up for the Round 1 qualifier (one group was complete, the other three had one BYE and one player not showing up each, so I didn't count them).
Combine that with the 4 players that were already qualified and you come to 30 players. So in the so-called hardest league, in a Ro24 format, only six players would not qualify. At that point just skip the qualifier and make it a Ro32 tournament.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-05 01:48:14
October 05 2023 01:46 GMT
#19
IMO though it's ok because even earlier in SC2, the skill difference between those that qualified to GSL vs those who actually got far was immensely different. The players in Ro64 or Ro32 didn't stand a chance to those getting to Ro4s.

Ro16 is super competitive now, I feel that players in the Ro24 especially Ty/Ragnarok/sOs would have a good shot at getting to Ro8-Ro4, and even players like Percival gave Rogue a very difficult match, and players like Spear even beat regular GSL players like Special. It just feels boring to me seeing the upper cut of players fight each other all the time, to me having those newer underdogs was a huge part of what made GSL seasons so exciting.

The meta feels more stagnant when 16 players only have to prepare for those 16, vs having to account for newer players with newer approaches and unfamiliar playstyles and strategies.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3514 Posts
October 05 2023 04:00 GMT
#20
I think one of the reason for the reduced format is because of the prize pool. GSL used to have very generous prize for those who made it to Ro 24/32, and they simply cant afford it with the current prize pool (not counting the donation from fans). An extra 8 players making it to GSL would require about 4k additional prize (assume 500$/person) and thats maybe too much, sadly. Which bring up the point, why GSL never announce the actual prize pool, with all the money added and how they are distributed, officially.
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