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StarcraftHistorian
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aringadingding
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aringadingding
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Creager
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On April 08 2023 03:45 aringadingding wrote: i know a few vocal people are obsessing with the viewbot stuff, but people MUST realize that it probably did not help at all. Its a bit sad that people actually thought it meant a lot. The most simple explanation is often the correct one. And this is what I mentioned above, i.e. streaming consistently, almost every day, for many hours, with constant chat interaction and preparation. Instead of better players showing up streaming 3 hours one day, then off for 5 days, then 2 hours, the off for a a day etc. For me, for example, i dont look at the amount of viewers, and even if it would mean i would tune into the stream, i would not watch if the stream was bad. Sc2 is not that huge that there is a huge of amount of streamers so its safe to say that many viewers check out more than one stream. That being said, i dont like the viewbot thing, but for the love of god, let it go now. He has probably attracted a lot of people into sc2. No, hard disagree, it did help with EVERYTHING, he was there with ~1k viewers out of nowhere and the people with most views get... wait for it... more views! Always has been like this on twitch, so please don't try to make it sound as if this did not play a role, it kickstarted everything for him. And like with cheaters this is about integrity, so hard pass with no chance for appeal for me. | ||
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aringadingding
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EDIT: considering the amount of viewers he had and what other players had, the activity was WAY above most of the other peoples streams. User was warned for this post | ||
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Slydie
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On April 09 2023 02:57 aringadingding wrote: get a life Creager. It was not "out of nowhere". Just admit you dont like him. Maybe you are right if he used the most complex viewbots ever that subbed, donated and discussed stuff all the time during the streams.... I have been watching sc2 for a long time and what you describe is not reality. EDIT: considering the amount of viewers he had and what other players had, the activity was WAY above most of the other peoples streams. Can someone dig up some old TL posts about streaming hours and views to end this discussion? Back in the day, his viewer number vs. content did seem very fishy indeed, and others were sinking in a lot of hours too. I don't think he is viewbotting anymore, though. Being a solid contributor to the scene and cutting some corners to get a footing are not mutually exclusive. Personally, I have often been annoyed by how self righteous Winter can be, but so can Big Gabe, especially on a bad day. In the end, I appreciate why they do for the great moments of entertainment and knowledge they do provide! | ||
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Creager
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On April 09 2023 02:57 aringadingding wrote: get a life Creager. It was not "out of nowhere". Just admit you dont like him. Maybe you are right if he used the most complex viewbots ever that subbed, donated and discussed stuff all the time during the streams.... I have been watching sc2 for a long time and what you describe is not reality. EDIT: considering the amount of viewers he had and what other players had, the activity was WAY above most of the other peoples streams. User was warned for this post Interesting knee-jerk reaction right there, so I'm assuming you must be a regular viewer of his, then? I, too, have been around since before he became a known personality within the community and with him there was no upcoming, one day he wasn't there, next day he's a top-tier streamer with very constant viewer count, yet little to 0 chat intercation for the amount of viewers? That's how it was, this is the reality we're talking here, not whatever you are trying to sell us. And no, I usually don't do anti-Winter crusades in my freetime, I just don't consume any content featuring this guy since he's been ingenuine about the whole thing ever since it happened and I don't want to support people under false pretenses. | ||
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On April 09 2023 04:38 Slydie wrote: Can someone dig up some old TL posts about streaming hours and views to end this discussion? Back in the day, his viewer number vs. content did seem very fishy indeed, and others were sinking in a lot of hours too. I don't think he is viewbotting anymore, though. Being a solid contributor to the scene and cutting some corners to get a footing are not mutually exclusive. Personally, I have often been annoyed by how self righteous Winter can be, but so can Big Gabe, especially on a bad day. In the end, I appreciate why they do for the great moments of entertainment and knowledge they do provide! There were some really, really old threads about it, no idea if they're in my post history. Nonetheless, anyone who was streaming or knew who he was at the time can definitely confirm he went from like ~42 average viewers to 1k at random times inconsistently > consistently > leveled out after it became an issue that people were protesting (aka stopped botting, but retained the new viewers). At the time it happened, twitch didn't do anything to people who were botting because it was a new issue and they were unable to differentiate between whether it could have been the person themselves vs others doing it in order to get their channel flagged, essentially a ddos. The only thing I'll say about this thread though is it's at least good to hear he made a clear comment about the funds. | ||
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luxon
United States117 Posts
On April 07 2023 17:28 Creager wrote: Without watching: Has he been honest about his beginnings as a streamer? I somehow smell that he might have left out some details on his 'upcoming'... My immediate thoughts too; I get he's a positive force in the community but until he comes out and owns his past mistakes, I'm not too interested. Also re: all the comments arguing over the viewbotting, does someone have the hilarious clip where he wrote a script to donate encouraging messages to himself but he messed up the javascript so the entire source code was in the donate message? Edit: vods are gone but https://i.imgur.com/MXTNoZk.jpg lol. A humble reminder to always test your code! Edit 2: I am somewhat convinced @aringadingding is another one of Winter's burner, regurgitating his responses from 2015. It's not debatable - there was a TON of analysis back then showing he did, and TL resisted banning him but then eventually had to, and they make those decisions carefully. Like I say, he's a net good and it's been a decade so there's no point flaming him over it; I would've done the same too to gain initial traction back then. | ||
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gagglewig
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On April 13 2023 08:20 luxon wrote: My immediate thoughts too; I get he's a positive force in the community but until he comes out and owns his past mistakes, I'm not too interested. Also re: all the comments arguing over the viewbotting, does someone have the hilarious clip where he wrote a script to donate encouraging messages to himself but he messed up the javascript so the entire source code was in the donate message? Edit: vods are gone but https://i.imgur.com/MXTNoZk.jpg dumb ways to die lol. A humble reminder to always test your code! Edit 2: I am somewhat convinced @aringadingding is another one of Winter's burner, regurgitating his responses from 2015. It's not debatable - there was a TON of analysis back then showing he did, and TL resisted banning him but then eventually had to, and they make those decisions carefully. Like I say, he's a net good and it's been a decade so there's no point flaming him over it; I would've done the same too to gain initial traction back then. It's so confusing, it's all new information to me | ||
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