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On March 30 2023 08:46 Telephone wrote:
Okay, if you don't want to consider that perfectly logical comparison, that's fine.
Can we still leave politics out of SC? It might shock some people but I actually want to watch and play starcraft without engaging in geopolitics. Is that so much to ask? That we can just shut up about politics for two seconds?
you are free at any time to ignore all posts you deem "political" and instead post your "nonpolitical" thoughts on starcraft. no clue why this requires you to police what others care to discuss. 
On March 30 2023 10:15 yht9657 wrote:Amazing news for the scene, hopefully this gives the Korean players more incentive to keep practicing. Also, ranting politics on a videogame forum doesn't make the world a better place for anyone, but I guess certain people just have to showcase their smug sense of moral superiority somewhere.  indeed! i'm sure there's nothing smug or superior to the intent of your post!
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On March 30 2023 05:50 outscar wrote:UNEXPECTED!! Good news. Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 01:27 lepricon1992 wrote:
They *might* have $400k for Starcraft 2, and $100k for Broodwar It's other way around! That prince who funded is for sure FlaSh or Bisu fanboy.
Hell, lets have BW players compete in SC2 and SC2 players compete in BW and see who does better, set 50k prize goal for that.
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On March 30 2023 11:38 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 05:50 outscar wrote:UNEXPECTED!! Good news. On March 30 2023 01:27 lepricon1992 wrote:
They *might* have $400k for Starcraft 2, and $100k for Broodwar It's other way around! That prince who funded is for sure FlaSh or Bisu fanboy. Hell, lets have BW players compete in SC2 and SC2 players compete in BW and see who does better, set 50k prize goal for that.
Let's not repeat that season of Proleague, please :p.
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If that split comes out even close to even this might be the biggest prizepool BW event ever organized. Pretty crazy. I hope they announce qualifier format soon
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BW?
It's amazing to see that BW is also included！
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On March 30 2023 12:01 RaGe wrote:
If that split comes out even close to even this might be the biggest prizepool BW event ever organized. Pretty crazy. I hope they announce qualifier format soon
A chinese tournament, a crowdfunded Afreeca BJ tournament and numerous OSL/MSL's have had 100k prize pools (after conversion). Either way, it's a pleasant surprise to see.
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On March 30 2023 12:01 RaGe wrote:
If that split comes out even close to even this might be the biggest prizepool BW event ever organized. Pretty crazy. I hope they announce qualifier format soon
I think it was stated somewhere, that it might be invites only, but could be mistaken.
Hope it is going to be qualifiers though.
To people that are upset about the politics aspect in this thread:
The biggest reason we get this tournament, is actually politics, this is sportswashing and everyone should be aware of it.
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If it wasn't for politics the IP Rights fiasco between Blizzard and KeSPa would've never happened all those years ago lol. Like someone else said earlier ethical consumption is impossible these days but drawing your line in the sand with whataboutism in regards to the US or EU as a defense for Saudi Arabia sportswashing their actively bad choices away, is ridiculous. Even if things are bad in one place that doesn't mean you don't get to call out bad things elsewhere!!
The poverty line isn't fixed globally, its higher in Toronto than it is in Saudia Arabia by like 40%.
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On March 30 2023 16:08 Master of DalK wrote:If it wasn't for politics the IP Rights fiasco between Blizzard and KeSPa would've never happened all those years ago lol. Like someone else said earlier ethical consumption is impossible these days but drawing your line in the sand with whataboutism in regards to the US or EU as a defense for Saudi Arabia sportswashing their actively bad choices away, is ridiculous. The poverty line isn't fixed globally, its higher in Toronto than it is in Saudia Arabia by like 40%.
Hey, just don't engage in these country-country comparisons. Regardless of who's "right" or "wrong", it centers morality on nationalism, which is problematic in many ways. Your country's moral deficiencies shouldn't prevent you from calling out the problems in another country, nor should you blindly defend your motherland  .
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On March 30 2023 16:39 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 16:08 Master of DalK wrote:If it wasn't for politics the IP Rights fiasco between Blizzard and KeSPa would've never happened all those years ago lol. Like someone else said earlier ethical consumption is impossible these days but drawing your line in the sand with whataboutism in regards to the US or EU as a defense for Saudi Arabia sportswashing their actively bad choices away, is ridiculous. The poverty line isn't fixed globally, its higher in Toronto than it is in Saudia Arabia by like 40%. Hey, just don't engage in these country-country comparisons. Regardless of who's "right" or "wrong", it centers morality on nationalism, which is problematic in many ways. Your country's moral deficiencies shouldn't prevent you from calling out the problems in another country, nor should you blindly defend your motherland .
I probably shouldn't have started posting about this after being awake for 30 hours and stuck on a plane, that's the point I was trying to make but didn't do a good job at communicating lmao
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On March 30 2023 02:18 Master of DalK wrote:
First it was China's turn to bankroll everything and now it's MBS' turn but with equal or a whole lot more "look at us we're not evil" intentions behind it
Hey don't drag us into this at least Xiaose sold his dignity for money from just normal businesses.
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On March 30 2023 04:25 Glorfindelio wrote:
Ehhhh, great for the players but feeling rather conflicted about this one. The world is a complicated place.
ESL is owned by Saudi Arabia. At this point, with or without this tournament, eSports heavily relies on Saudi Arabian money. Here it's just much more out in the open compared to other events. I'm not sure this is worse than other events though.
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On March 30 2023 19:15 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 04:25 Glorfindelio wrote:
Ehhhh, great for the players but feeling rather conflicted about this one. The world is a complicated place. ESL is owned by Saudi Arabia. At this point, with or without this tournament, eSports heavily relies on Saudi Arabian money. Here it's just much more out in the open compared to other events. I'm not sure this is worse than other events though.
Ethics are for people that can't afford anything else - truly depressing reality we live in. Another sad thing is that outside of quite a bit of money for the established players I don't see this helping develop/sustain both esports in any way -> money bags will lose interest shortly after and move to the next thing, so this kind of circuit will be a one-time thing, but yeah, that's quite the 'cup is half-empty' take, of course.
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On March 30 2023 16:39 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 16:08 Master of DalK wrote:If it wasn't for politics the IP Rights fiasco between Blizzard and KeSPa would've never happened all those years ago lol. Like someone else said earlier ethical consumption is impossible these days but drawing your line in the sand with whataboutism in regards to the US or EU as a defense for Saudi Arabia sportswashing their actively bad choices away, is ridiculous. The poverty line isn't fixed globally, its higher in Toronto than it is in Saudia Arabia by like 40%. Hey, just don't engage in these country-country comparisons. Regardless of who's "right" or "wrong", it centers morality on nationalism, which is problematic in many ways. Your country's moral deficiencies shouldn't prevent you from calling out the problems in another country, nor should you blindly defend your motherland .
Man, I agree with you.
everyone is unique, every country is unique too
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Brood War?! :O
Wow.. now that is unexpected. Awesome!
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so we support a brutal dictatorship with countless human rights violations sponsoring our esports now?
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This is so great. If this is the final year of SC2, it is a happy ending for me. Our community is so strong, even without official support.
PS: For those people talking about politics, as a chinese player, I just want to say that SCboy and chinese fans are just ordinary people. Fortunately, some investors were also SC players (like the CEO of Hypergryph), so we can keep the scene going. Oliveira/Time really inspired a lot of us, which also brought new investors. This has definitely nothing to do with CCP. Dota 2 also has the oil money cup, and they at least spent the oil money on something good to society. I really hate politics...
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On March 30 2023 02:38 cesmin wrote:www.youtube.comSaudi Arabia is the world's largest arms importer ( ~11% of all global arms imports ), the United States is their top supplier (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute). 22% of the Saudi population lives below the poverty line ( Saudi Journal of Medicine, 2017 ). ~233,000 people have been killed due the Saudi "intervention" in Yemen ( Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project ). The United Nations has described the situation in Yemen as the world's worst humanitarian crisis, with millions of people suffering from hunger, disease, and displacement.
I don’t care. People suffering all around the world. News at 11
More SC2 is always good news
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On March 30 2023 21:55 hwjdts224 wrote:
so we support a brutal dictatorship with countless human rights violations sponsoring our esports now?
Personally, I stopped watching ESL content after they were bought by Savvy Gaming Group in February 2022. I kept watching World Team League because SCboy is not the CCP.
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