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Hello,
Due to the last annoucement of GSL contraction prize pool, I would like to think about saving StarCraft 2 before the 2 next years. There are not so many ideas to figure out, as usually I am not able to write a lot of things because of my native language but I am convinced that we should ask before it will be too late, a new version of the game within everyone could create his own server.
Each of these servers could own his proper ladder or be linked by group on a single one. And each of this server could host his own mod. Then community will naturally go to his favorite server, on the original mod or on some maybe fresher like Starbow.
If there is one patch needed, it's that one.
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I think this sounds like a good idea
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One big no-no : that won't bring any money to Blizzard. Pretty sure this gonna get vetoed even with popular pressure anyway.
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It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are
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On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are
Stormgate is not your  Savior
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1) Find a big country and make it declare SC2 its national sport.
2) Become a billionaire (or find one) and fund SC2.
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Blizzard can't even fix their own servers, let alone fix sc2. I get random drops from game while I have perfectly working access to YouTube, websites or any other internet content. I'm never disconnected from e.g. CS: GO while I have internet access.
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On February 26 2023 00:13 SC-Shield wrote:
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Yes, I know some people here play 1vs1 only but game isn't only 1vs1.
Imo the biggest oversight in the nearly 13 years of SC2.
They started way too late with things like Coop, let alone the fact that arcade is an absolute embarrassment when you compare it to BW and WC3 or even Dota2's custom modes and never got fixed
You have no sense of community when you open the game. Battlenet 2.0 has deprived us of so many functions that were common in older titles.
And all of that apologized because this is "the most competitive game" out there just doesnt cut it. Have a fun and substancial game and the whole esport thing might follow, not the other way around.
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On February 26 2023 04:52 ZiZzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2023 00:13 SC-Shield wrote:
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Yes, I know some people here play 1vs1 only but game isn't only 1vs1. Imo the biggest oversight in the nearly 13 years of SC2. They started way too late with things like Coop, let alone the fact that arcade is an absolute embarrassment when you compare it to BW and WC3 or even Dota2's custom modes and never got fixed You have no sense of community when you open the game. Battlenet 2.0 has deprived us of so many functions that were common in older titles. And all of that apologized because this is "the most competitive game" out there just doesnt cut it. Have a fun and substancial game and the whole esport thing might follow, not the other way around.
Yes, agreed. I still remember Battle.net 2.0 started without channels when Battle.net 1.0 (older) had channels, the game felt anti-social to some people. That was fixed but had there been co-op from start, it would have drawn a lot more casual players. I think the problem with sc2 is it's so competitive and easy to lose a game, even if you're a veteran, that not a lot of people can put up with that and just quit. There are some units which aren't fun to use or play against (e.g. swarm hosts back in HotS) but that's secondary. In my opinion, "there is nothing much for casual players" is the bigger issue than unit balance itself.
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On February 25 2023 20:18 Vision_ wrote:
Hello,
Due to the last annoucement of GSL contraction prize pool, i would like to think about saving Starcraft 2 before the 2 next years. There s not so many ideas to figure out, as usually i m not able to write a lot of things because of my native langage but i m convinced that we should ask before it will be too late, a new version of the game within everyone could create his own server.
Each of these servers could own his proper ladder or be linked by group on a single one. And each of this server could host his own mod. Then community will naturally go to his favorite server, on the original mod or on some maybe fresher like Starbow.
If there s one patch needed, it s that one.
It's already way too late for this. It would take quite a lot of work to implement.
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On February 26 2023 06:39 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2023 20:18 Vision_ wrote:
Hello,
Due to the last annoucement of GSL contraction prize pool, i would like to think about saving Starcraft 2 before the 2 next years. There s not so many ideas to figure out, as usually i m not able to write a lot of things because of my native langage but i m convinced that we should ask before it will be too late, a new version of the game within everyone could create his own server.
Each of these servers could own his proper ladder or be linked by group on a single one. And each of this server could host his own mod. Then community will naturally go to his favorite server, on the original mod or on some maybe fresher like Starbow.
If there s one patch needed, it s that one. It's already way too late for this. It would take quite a lot of work to implement.
I m not sure,... LAN version already exists, used in Major tournament offline, isn t it ?
With something like 'Hamachi' (to open port on your local network), They would have to create a ladder option by mod and i guess it s a bit of work but don t know how much
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On February 25 2023 22:34 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior It can be if you  Dream a just a little. It could be the  herO to carry our FanTaSy. Our Light at the end of the Dark, our Cure against this NightMare.
Nice
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On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior
Stormgate is not my what? Please type in complete sentences
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I've thought of an open-sourced RTS game, but after some thoughts I abandoned that idea. Things don't work that way.
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On February 28 2023 16:28 jy_9876543210 wrote:
I've thought of an open-sourced RTS game, but after some thoughts I abandoned that idea. Things don't work that way.
The major problem with open source competitive games is how to deal with cheating. It would require a seperate proprietary anti-cheat, and even that wouldn't be 100% effective.
Another problem would be doing all balance patches "by committee", which invites a whole host of potential foibles & hurt feelings.
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On February 28 2023 17:53 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 16:28 jy_9876543210 wrote:
I've thought of an open-sourced RTS game, but after some thoughts I abandoned that idea. Things don't work that way. The major problem with open source competitive games is how to deal with cheating. It would require a seperate proprietary anti-cheat, and even that wouldn't be 100% effective.
I don't think that's necessarily true, nor do I think it is the major problem with open-sourcing a competetive game.
To the point of needing anti-cheat: BW has a competetive scene and didn't ship with anticheat software. And SC2 did ship with anticheat and there are still plenty of cheaters online. Having an anticheat program isn't a panacea, and not having one doesn't doom a game to unplayability.
And regardless of where you land in that discussion, dealing with cheating wouldn't even make my top ten list of issues with creating a successful open-source RTS game. A modern RTS requires millions of dollars worth of labor to design and develop. Making the game open-source doesn't reduce the size of the required investment, it just means you are relying on a community of volunteers to form and provide that labor for free. That is not impossible - there are certainly successful open-source projects of a similar scope - but it's very unlikely to work. You need someone with a compelling vision and organizational skills who is willing and able to gather and inspire a team of passionate volunteers to spend years working on a very challenging project for no reward other than the fun of being involved. I think that finding the person with that vision and skillset, who is willing to invest that talent and time in a passion project instead of paid labor, is the major problem with creating an open source RTS.
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Let me shoot up a statistics here. Can we agree that average SC peaks around 13 years? BW started on '98 and last OSL went on 2011 = 13 years. Just like SC2 launched 13 years ago and if this years GSL will be last it means 13 years.
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On February 28 2023 15:38 Akio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior Stormgate is not my what? Please type in complete sentences
A shit ton of people think that Stormgate somehow is the game that is gonna save RTS, esport (RTS) scene and fix everything wrong, solely based on that it is made by some former Blizz employes.
I mean, sure maybe it will Da Best gaem evAR, but this is all speculation (or dreaming) as this point. It might as well fail completely as a game. Add to that that it is not a established franchise with insane amount of money to develop and keep maintaining. Plus, even if it IS good, maybe it will still not be succesful (some of the best games ever made never got the fanbase it deserved).
Im just sick of people letting themselves overhyping stuff again and again. You are only building yourself more up for disappointment. Maybe just be cautious optimistic and see what they deliver when it is ready.
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On March 01 2023 02:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 15:38 Akio wrote:On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior Stormgate is not my what? Please type in complete sentences A shit ton of people think that Stormgate somehow is the game that is gonna save RTS, esport (RTS) scene and fix everything wrong, solely based on that it is made by some former Blizz employes. I mean, sure maybe it will Da Best gaem evAR, but this is all speculation (or dreaming) as this point. It might as well fail completely as a game. Add to that that it is not a established franchise with insane amount of money to develop and keep maintaining. Plus, even if it IS good, maybe it will still not be succesful (some of the best games ever made never got the fanbase it deserved). Im just sick of people letting themselves overhyping stuff again and again. You are only building yourself more up for disappointment. Maybe just be cautious optimistic and see what they deliver when it is ready.
I agree with you. I know people want there to be a new SC-like RTS that is widely popular, but I think the reality is that the viability of an esport and the quality of a game are sort of independent. Even if the game is a lot of fun, it needs to be accessible and exciting to watch for it to even be a good esport. There is a reason SC2's scene faded, and it's not because the game wasn't a good game...
And don't forget that it's a small studio and not Blizzard or Riot backing it. They probably will never be able to bankroll tournaments the way Blizz & Riot do / used to. That may not be necessary, but I think it makes a big difference for elevating an esport from indie scene (Smash / Broodwar now) to Premiere Esport (CSGO, Valorant, LoL, Dota).
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Hope! The Beginning of Dissapointment! Quote from the "real" SC2 Lore  (Hail to the Emperor)
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Guys you're right, we don't know how well Stormgate is going to do and how good its gonna be how much anyone will like it will see, can only hope!
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SoCal8910 Posts
On March 01 2023 02:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 15:38 Akio wrote:On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior Stormgate is not my what? Please type in complete sentences A shit ton of people think that Stormgate somehow is the game that is gonna save RTS, esport (RTS) scene and fix everything wrong, solely based on that it is made by some former Blizz employes. I mean, sure maybe it will Da Best gaem evAR, but this is all speculation (or dreaming) as this point. It might as well fail completely as a game. Add to that that it is not a established franchise with insane amount of money to develop and keep maintaining. Plus, even if it IS good, maybe it will still not be succesful (some of the best games ever made never got the fanbase it deserved). Im just sick of people letting themselves overhyping stuff again and again. You are only building yourself more up for disappointment. Maybe just be cautious optimistic and see what they deliver when it is ready.
i couldn't agree more.
we don't even know for certain if Stormgate will be similar enough to Starcraft to be a proper spiritual successor.
we saw what happened to the Warcraft 3 pros that tried to make it in Starcraft, early on. we also can see what it's like when games get forced into being a tier 1 esport.
i would rather be pleasantly surprised and watch the game grow into it's own than force it to be something it's not.
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On March 01 2023 02:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 15:38 Akio wrote:On February 25 2023 22:12 SmoKim wrote:On February 25 2023 22:02 Highwinds wrote:
It's too late. Wait for Stormgate like the pros are Stormgate is not your Savior Stormgate is not my what? Please type in complete sentences A shit ton of people think that Stormgate somehow is the game that is gonna save RTS, esport (RTS) scene and fix everything wrong, solely based on that it is made by some former Blizz employes. I mean, sure maybe it will Da Best gaem evAR, but this is all speculation (or dreaming) as this point. It might as well fail completely as a game. Add to that that it is not a established franchise with insane amount of money to develop and keep maintaining. Plus, even if it IS good, maybe it will still not be succesful (some of the best games ever made never got the fanbase it deserved). Im just sick of people letting themselves overhyping stuff again and again. You are only building yourself more up for disappointment. Maybe just be cautious optimistic and see what they deliver when it is ready.
I am as pessimistic about Stormgate as you are, I just made a Voldemort joke 
It seems like they're trying to make everything at once. It's not StarCraft 3 but it kind of is, and it has the skillcap of BroodWar while also being super accessible to new players? Just seems kind of unrealistic to me... I do want it to succeed though.
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A friend of mine introduced me to Tetris tournaments. They don't hand out huge prizes in the Tetris scene. The players are amateurs who are in it for the passion. I had a blast watching Tetris tournaments. Similarly, I will still be watching StarCraft: Brood War and StarCraft II when nobody is making a living off of it.
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