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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-15 17:42:39
February 15 2023 17:42 GMT
#1
So I wasn't following SC2 too much lately but when watched IEM I saw so many pros using wireless mouse (Reynor, TIME, Maru etc.). Last time I checked everyone and their mom were using wired mouse with bungee. I remember everyone were against wireless because what you gonna do if suddenly battery dies or connection lost? When this started to become a thing?
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Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
February 15 2023 18:39 GMT
#2
You made me laugh so much but it is true, I still always go for wired Mouse and Keyboard. The thing is not only connection lose or battery but also response, I feel the answer could be reduced and as long as I won't be losing any tournament is weird to see pros going for them
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whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
February 15 2023 18:41 GMT
#3
logitech g pro wireless is standard for fps esports players, especially the new superlight version. i have a regular g pro wireless and i could never go back to using a corded mouse. also it has ridiculous battery life, a single charge can last something crazy, like 10-12 hours?
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 15 2023 18:44 GMT
#4
On February 16 2023 02:42 outscar wrote:
So I wasn't following SC2 too much lately but when watched IEM I saw so many pros using wireless mouse (Reynor, TIME, Maru etc.). Last time I checked everyone and their mom were using wired mouse with bungee. I remember everyone were against wireless because what you gonna do if suddenly battery dies or connection lost? When this started to become a thing?

When wireless mice switched from bluetooth to wifi. Once that happened delay and connection became way less of an issue.

Wireless is so much nicer to play with IMO.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
February 15 2023 18:49 GMT
#5
I noticed that too!!

If anyone is interested, you can get the Logitech Wireless Pro for $50 if you don't mind the blue League of Legends branding. I think it's very much worth the $50 personally. The normal black and white colors usually still go for $75+, so a pretty hefty discount on the blue ones!

You don't realize how nice it is until your cable is gone and you're like, "wow that sure was annoying".
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada70 Posts
February 15 2023 18:57 GMT
#6
These days wifi mice can get enough charge to play a match uninterrupted in under 60 seconds, so running out of battery really isn't an issue. If you were really worried you could just plug it in between games. But wireless mice are theoretically better if the response time is low because you don't have the cable giving you a variable force on the front of your mouse so your mouse accuracy should theoretically increase.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
February 15 2023 19:40 GMT
#7
Is there some super nerdy FPS-gamer spreadsheet that has the click actuation stats for gaming mice? I gave myself a wrist injury when I changed to a mouse that had just slightly too heavy clicks once
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 16 2023 20:17 GMT
#8
On February 16 2023 04:40 Waxangel wrote:
Is there some super nerdy FPS-gamer spreadsheet that has the click actuation stats for gaming mice? I gave myself a wrist injury when I changed to a mouse that had just slightly too heavy clicks once

Reddit pointed me to this google doc.

Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/

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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
February 16 2023 20:51 GMT
#9
been using a glorious model o wireless for a few months now after switching from a Razer Deathadder. It took me a little while to get use to the sensitivity and the placement of the wireless receiver, but I love it.
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kaby
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation195 Posts
February 16 2023 22:23 GMT
#10
Logitech G305 works around 3 months on a single AA battery and it still works for a couple of days after starting blinking red. I don't think it suddenly switched off even once for the few years I use it. I mean, one $5 battery pack supplies you for 3 years.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
February 16 2023 22:41 GMT
#11
many wireless mice are now claiming lower latency than wired connections. this is the main issue, assuming with enough preparation you can avoid the power issue.

for example, the Logitech "LightSpeed" technology is claiming just this. Here is a good reddit thread I found about some test results.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/99qq4a/about_that_1ms_lightspeed_wireless_technology/
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-16 23:09:08
February 16 2023 23:08 GMT
#12
On February 17 2023 05:17 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2023 04:40 Waxangel wrote:
Is there some super nerdy FPS-gamer spreadsheet that has the click actuation stats for gaming mice? I gave myself a wrist injury when I changed to a mouse that had just slightly too heavy clicks once

Reddit pointed me to this google doc.

Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/



damn there's really a spreadsheet for everything

gotta make sure to check that I'm getting light-press switches if I ever go shopping for new mice
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SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1107 Posts
February 16 2023 23:13 GMT
#13
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
February 17 2023 00:46 GMT
#14
Dude! I also noticed that lol. I saw the player videos during IEM and I said, "damn, that's a lot of wireless mouse."
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
February 17 2023 01:17 GMT
#15
Idk if the connection is functionally equivalent but I think high end wireless mice are almost as responsive as wired mice these days. and alot of competitive gamers show a strong preference for ultralight weight mice and no cord, this is to make moving the mouse smooth and consistent.

IMO your playing surface and the mouses friction coefficient impact this way more. I think that if you have a playing surface your comfortable with, then a lot of it just comes down to grip and feel preference.

I still prefer wired mice though, maybe I'm just used to it. I use a razer naga (i think this is still Lambos go to mouse, but maybe not anymore). Not so much for the buttons but the finger grip on the right. I have always found that using a claw grip on mice is uncomfortable for long gaming sessions, but it can be harder to get precise control with a palm grip, the finger grip solved this problem for me since I can squeez the mouse between my fingers and my thumb without needing to contract my joints for long periods of time. it also feels like your pointing at something which I like.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
February 17 2023 05:04 GMT
#16
If all the pro gamers like in various e-sports can perform with a wireless mice, then so can you. CS:GO, LoL, SC2, a lot of players in those games use wireless mice. It's crazy watching CS:GO players flick like that.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
February 17 2023 10:58 GMT
#17
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-21 09:49:02
February 17 2023 11:01 GMT
#18
Damn this is a thing now? I think I'm gonna jump right on that train. Any suggestions for decent mousepads to go with it?

Compiling a small list for my sake:

Razer DeathAdder V2 X Hyperspeed 60 €
Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro 155 €

Logitech G Pro Wireless 95 €
Logitech G305 45 €
Logitech G Superlight Pro x 115 €

Mousepad Steelseries QcK Edge (with stiched edges)
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 17 2023 11:22 GMT
#19
There are setups like wireless mouse + mousepad with wireless charging option, so the battery is not an issue

I've started to use Mamba Wireless like a year ago, happy with it for gaming and casual purposes, and you can happily play FPS/RTS

We prolly haven't noticed how the quality of the wireless devices raised significantly in last years
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 17 2023 11:32 GMT
#20
On February 17 2023 19:58 Jumperer wrote:
No, ball mouse is still better. This is what I use [image loading]

Absolutely. All these kids and their wireless devices, how many OSLs and MSLs have been won with a wireless mouse? Yeah didn't think so
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Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom199 Posts
February 17 2023 12:58 GMT
#21
I totally noticed the same thing, and actually just bought a Razer Deathadder Pro after watching IEM, as I'd always assumed latency was a problem for wireless mouse. I have to say, it's actually really great - much lighter than my old wired one, no cable feels and looks good, and I can't notice the latency at all.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 17 2023 17:33 GMT
#22
On February 17 2023 08:13 SHODAN wrote:
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo

I think mouse bungees were more so used for wires that slipped off the back of your desk and providing consistent weight and resistance.

But also cables were typically in that really heavy plastic tubing. These days you kids get fancy braided cables which are 10x lighter.
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QuiL
Profile Joined March 2016
Germany9 Posts
February 17 2023 19:30 GMT
#23
On February 18 2023 02:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2023 08:13 SHODAN wrote:
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo

I think mouse bungees were more so used for wires that slipped off the back of your desk and providing consistent weight and resistance.


Thats how ive been using it.
Even tho watching Dark's Player Cam at IEM was a shocker. His Bungee was going ham like it was a rod with a big fish pulling on it.


Btw is there any info on what wireless the players use most often? Is it just the G Pro or are there alternative mice?
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 17 2023 19:38 GMT
#24
On February 18 2023 04:30 QuiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2023 02:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 17 2023 08:13 SHODAN wrote:
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo

I think mouse bungees were more so used for wires that slipped off the back of your desk and providing consistent weight and resistance.


Thats how ive been using it.
Even tho watching Dark's Player Cam at IEM was a shocker. His Bungee was going ham like it was a rod with a big fish pulling on it.


Btw is there any info on what wireless the players use most often? Is it just the G Pro or are there alternative mice?

G Pro wireless is a popular choice, but there was a zowie wireless that came out recently and I know cs players love their zowie mice.

I recently got the Razer Basilisk after being a GPro user for a few years and am enjoying how it fits in my hand a little bit better than the gpro, but I've always felt like Razer mice were "made" for my hands.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 18 2023 00:19 GMT
#25
On February 17 2023 20:32 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2023 19:58 Jumperer wrote:
No, ball mouse is still better. This is what I use [image loading]

Absolutely. All these kids and their wireless devices, how many OSLs and MSLs have been won with a wireless mouse? Yeah didn't think so


You forgot WCG. It takes balls to win those tournaments!
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-18 01:36:02
February 18 2023 01:29 GMT
#26
Wireless mice are now miles better than before that it already rivals wired ones in terms of latency. In terms of battery life, most mice averages around 70 hours of straight usage but Logitech Pro X Superlight has some insane battery as it will last around a week or 2 before you need to charge it again. I am currently using Viper V2 Pro which is also a really insane mouse and I cannot see myself going back to a wired mouse in the future.


On February 18 2023 04:30 QuiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2023 02:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 17 2023 08:13 SHODAN wrote:
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo

I think mouse bungees were more so used for wires that slipped off the back of your desk and providing consistent weight and resistance.


Thats how ive been using it.
Even tho watching Dark's Player Cam at IEM was a shocker. His Bungee was going ham like it was a rod with a big fish pulling on it.


Btw is there any info on what wireless the players use most often? Is it just the G Pro or are there alternative mice?


Majority are using either a Razer Viper V2 Pro or Logitech Pro X Superlight. BTW if you want to know more about Wireless Mouse check out UpATree's stream and ask him there. He has like a dozen of mice coming from different gaming peripheral company and known to suggest and recommend mice for different SC2 pros
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SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1107 Posts
February 18 2023 22:23 GMT
#27
On February 18 2023 02:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2023 08:13 SHODAN wrote:
mouse bungees SUCK. why did pros ever use them in the first place? you get way higher resistance from a mouse bungee than if you just let the cable curl up loosey goosey on your desk (assuming the cable is long enough). I saw hero with the wireless superlight pro and ended up buying one. charges from 0 to 100% in 5 minutes. it's so sexy. worth the money imo

I think mouse bungees were more so used for wires that slipped off the back of your desk and providing consistent weight and resistance.

But also cables were typically in that really heavy plastic tubing. These days you kids get fancy braided cables which are 10x lighter.


ahhh I guess it made more sense in the 90s with those heavy thick cables
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-18 22:54:29
February 18 2023 22:31 GMT
#28
On February 17 2023 20:01 Harris1st wrote:
Damn this is a thing now? I think I'm gonna jump right on that train. Any suggestions for decent mousepads to go with it?

Compiling a small list for my sake:

Razer DeathAdder V2 X Hyperspeed 60 €
Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro 155 €

Logitech G Pro Wireless 95 €
Logitech G305 45 €


I think you can get a special mousepad with the wireless dongle built into it, like the one Maru used in IEM (POWERPLAY charging system?), that also charges your mouse without ever having to worry about it. I just use a normal large mousepad and the separate wireless dongle coiled up on my desk.

if you have the budget for a V3 Pro, add the Superlight Pro X to your list also. seems to be the most popular wireless mouse with the sc2 pros. it is an excellent mouse, though mine came with a busted middle-mouse wheel. not sure if I just got unlucky, or if it's a QA issue, bad batch, or whatever, but no issues with the replacement. it is a joy to play with.

I recommend a SteelSeries QcK Edge with the stitched edges. the stitched edges are a MUST because unstitched edges fray out and become warped over time. the large-sized one is really nice. those SteelSeries pads have been around for a long time. tried and tested! had the same mousepad when wings of liberty launched and have only replaced it once (again, make sure you get one with stitched edges!). you can wet clean it over and over using soapy water and it won't damage.

[image loading]
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
February 19 2023 09:08 GMT
#29
I've been using a g502 lightspeed with powerplay for a long time now, can't recommend it enough. The latency (per actual professional testers using high speed cameras) is indistinguishable from wired. The real improvement comes from the lack of influence of a cord, which is always going to be present in some form with a wired mouse no matter how good your cord setup is. I use my computer for hours almost daily and have never once had even the smallest hiccup in connectivity either.

Weird as it sounds, the best wireless mice have surpassed the best wired mice for gaming performance.
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asadash455
Profile Joined March 2024
4 Posts
March 17 2024 19:10 GMT
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