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Elentos
55511 Posts
On January 18 2023 05:33 GTR wrote: did he say if he was going to commentate GSL again? I would imagine not. He didn't stop commentating GSL when he went to the military, he stopped commentating when JYP came back from the military. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
Have we ever had a player in both ASL and GSL at the same time? Even early rounds? I would imagine not, but why not? | ||
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Telephone
United States138 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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DrunkenJedi
Germany175 Posts
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goody153
44114 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
TY bout to slay some nerds again | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On January 18 2023 08:52 Captain Peabody wrote: Awesome! Have we ever had a player in both ASL and GSL at the same time? Even early rounds? I would imagine not, but why not? Because nobody really plays BOTH games at the same time at a high level. Everyone is focusing their efforts on either BW or SC2 but never both. I figure TY could be the first to pull it off, if he gets into good form in SC2 he'll at least make opening rounds into GSL, then he just needs to get his form in BW good enough too. Obviously far easier said than done, but if anyone can do it, it's most likely him. | ||
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fermatlittle-theorem
3 Posts
SC2 & BW at the same time, that's so TY. Good luck and look forward to your performance. | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On January 18 2023 08:52 Captain Peabody wrote: Awesome! Have we ever had a player in both ASL and GSL at the same time? Even early rounds? I would imagine not, but why not? A few people have tried (e. g. soO in 2017) but it's just hard to be competitive enough to get into both. Particularly ASL has such a large player pool, if your main focus is another game you're probably getting blasted by random amateurs in the qualifiers. | ||
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dysenterymd
1202 Posts
On January 18 2023 23:21 Elentos wrote: A few people have tried (e. g. soO in 2017) but it's just hard to be competitive enough to get into both. Particularly ASL has such a large player pool, if your main focus is another game you're probably getting blasted by random amateurs in the qualifiers. Not knowing too much about ASL, I feel like focusing mainly on BW and a little on SC2 would be the best way to qualify for both, since virtually every good player qualifies for Code S rn (of course, depending on how the format is changed for 2023 this may no longer be the case.) TY is good enough that he could maybe make it work focusing more on SC2 though | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 19 2023 00:17 dysenterymd wrote: Not knowing too much about ASL, I feel like focusing mainly on BW and a little on SC2 would be the best way to qualify for both, since virtually every good player qualifies for Code S rn (of course, depending on how the format is changed for 2023 this may no longer be the case.) TY is good enough that he could maybe make it work focusing more on SC2 though There's just more money to be made for TY in sc2 tournaments compared to bw ones. Doing well in sc2 competitively is a lot more profitable, and TY's potential to do well is very high with enough effort being put in. In bw his potential is unsure, and the gain to be the best of the best isn't as high because the environment is a lot more reliant on being a popular streamer. Imo he wants to tap into that streamer audience already in case he will fully switch when sc2 esports isn't lucrative anymore. He'll surely be part of all the 'proleague' content the korean bw scene is producing, etc. It will definitely be interesting to see how TY handles this though, an ASL qualification would be incredible! Outside of TY i always thought Rain would be able to potentially qualify for GSL if he played sc2 'on the side' still. | ||
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nostrasbeefs
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rwala
281 Posts
On January 19 2023 02:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: There's just more money to be made for TY in sc2 tournaments compared to bw ones. Doing well in sc2 competitively is a lot more profitable, and TY's potential to do well is very high with enough effort being put in. In bw his potential is unsure, and the gain to be the best of the best isn't as high because the environment is a lot more reliant on being a popular streamer. Imo he wants to tap into that streamer audience already in case he will fully switch when sc2 esports isn't lucrative anymore. He'll surely be part of all the 'proleague' content the korean bw scene is producing, etc. It will definitely be interesting to see how TY handles this though, an ASL qualification would be incredible! Outside of TY i always thought Rain would be able to potentially qualify for GSL if he played sc2 'on the side' still. More money in SC2 tournaments, sure, but what about streaming, etc.? Don't forget how much more popular BW is than SC2 in Korea. I think there are some pretty good reasons that Rain, Soulkey, Jaedong, etc. switched back to BW (all were winning premier tourneys in SC2, FWIW). | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On January 18 2023 05:33 GTR wrote: did he say if he was going to commentate GSL again? It'd be quite the feat if he were able to juggle casting and playing in both tournaments at the same time. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1142 Posts
On January 19 2023 08:32 rwala wrote: More money in SC2 tournaments, sure, but what about streaming, etc.? Don't forget how much more popular BW is than SC2 in Korea. I think there are some pretty good reasons that Rain, Soulkey, Jaedong, etc. switched back to BW (all were winning premier tourneys in SC2, FWIW). None of them did at the end though. In fact, wasn't Soulkey especially known for having zero fun anymore, barely putting the work in? I'm not that familiar with the ASL, but I'm pretty sure all players are listed as amateurs. Sure, they stream, but it is probably still much time-consuming to try and compete in SC2. SC2 is much more profitable - IF you can keep up with the top. If you can't, and neither of the three you mentioned could at the end, it is probably easier to try your chances with BW, where the competition is much thinner. When TY can reach later stages of GSL and have some international success, going for SC2 was a great decision. If he fails to do so, BW would probably have been a better call...but then again, starting streaming it, he already lays the foundation for a transition later. | ||
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tommey.liang
United States362 Posts
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rwala
281 Posts
On January 19 2023 10:36 Balnazza wrote: None of them did at the end though. In fact, wasn't Soulkey especially known for having zero fun anymore, barely putting the work in? I'm not that familiar with the ASL, but I'm pretty sure all players are listed as amateurs. Sure, they stream, but it is probably still much time-consuming to try and compete in SC2. SC2 is much more profitable - IF you can keep up with the top. If you can't, and neither of the three you mentioned could at the end, it is probably easier to try your chances with BW, where the competition is much thinner. When TY can reach later stages of GSL and have some international success, going for SC2 was a great decision. If he fails to do so, BW would probably have been a better call...but then again, starting streaming it, he already lays the foundation for a transition later. What do you mean "listed as amateurs"? Soulkey finished 3rd last ASL season, and Rain finished 2nd the season before. This is the official BW pro league. Both also won KSLs to take home 25K, which I'm pretty sure is more than 90% of SC2 pros have taken home in any one tournament. I won't pretend to know which financial decisions are best when factoring in streaming, sponsorships, etc., but I'm basically just assuming these folks are smart guys and know what's best for themselves. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1142 Posts
On January 19 2023 12:36 rwala wrote: What do you mean "listed as amateurs"? Soulkey finished 3rd last ASL season, and Rain finished 2nd the season before. This is the official BW pro league. Both also won KSLs to take home 25K, which I'm pretty sure is more than 90% of SC2 pros have taken home in any one tournament. I won't pretend to know which financial decisions are best when factoring in streaming, sponsorships, etc., but I'm basically just assuming these folks are smart guys and know what's best for themselves. Apologies for the "amateur" part, that was weird. I remembered that until SC:R came along, a lot of ex-pros where "amateurs" in BW, which was just a remnant from Kespa. However, if you just take the financial aspect: You are right, winning an ASL gives you a huge paycheck. But have you looked how bad it gets for the lower ranks? Of course we don't know how the payout will be this year, but just as a comparison: The first money you got in the last GSL was 3K for reaching Top 20. If you want to get that kind of money from ASL, you have top reach Top 4. And the ASL is practically your only source of tournament income and it only happens twice a year. In SC2, you have the ESL Cups, international tournaments and a mutlitude of offline tournaments, always with the chance of getting to Kattowice for the big bugs. Next ASL starts in a month, qualifiers are in one or two weeks. Think it is safe to say that TY won't make a deep-run, right? Dates for GSL are not even announced yet, so there is plenty of time to get back in the game to atleast reach the money-range. So yeah, definetly the much smarter choice to go for SC2 right now if you haven't already established a good amount of viewers and/or can be confident that you will dominate the ASL. | ||
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Loisl
21 Posts
My second thought was: Damn, I am stupid. And old. Really looking forward to seeing him play again! | ||
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