EPTFor now, Liquipedia calculations give us the following rosters:
Round of 24 (group stage)
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Round of 36 (play-in)
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Final-ish list of IEM Katowice 2023 players
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
For now, Liquipedia calculations give us the following rosters: Round of 24 (group stage) Round of 36 (play-in) | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13995 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
or coffee, let's go coffee. it's your time to shine | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
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TheCheapSkate
Slovenia317 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I'm also a bit curious to see if all the Korean decide to go, I feel like I've barely seen Armani, Ryung and Classic play in the last few months. | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy3656 Posts
- MaxPax playing - Cure able to travel - Zoun in military | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On December 22 2022 03:20 TheCheapSkate wrote: No MaxPax again? We get Harstem! His games need to be on Is it Imba or do I suck series | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
I'm expecting Zoun to make it to the ro24 at least | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
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tigera6
3483 Posts
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FrashQ
53 Posts
Anyway, have my tickets already and can't wait to whine about zerg in person! | ||
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Larisabrownb
United States1 Post
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CicadaSC
United States1905 Posts
Zergs capable of winning? Dark Solar Reynor Serral Terran: Cure Clem Maru but protoss gets the biggest nerfs to their key units and overall patch losers, not to mention the maps being zerg favored. h'okay buddy.  | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
(never... the answer is "never") Also why Cure and Clem but not Byun and Bunny who got quite a bit more success recently? When it was last time Cure consistently looked stronger that Byun or Bunny? If you include players like Cure and Clem then you also have to include Zoun and MaxPax. Yes, MaxPax won't participate, but it's not because P is weak. I agree that patch is Z-favored, maps are Z-favored, and if patch goes through - Zerg will win Katowice with 95% chance. But list of good enough T and P doesn't make much sense. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1905 Posts
On January 13 2023 18:37 ZeroByte13 wrote: If you include Cure and Clem, why not include Zoun and MaxPax? Yes, MaxPax won't participate, but it's not because P is weak. And why Cure and Clem but not Byun and Bunny who got quite a bit more success recently? When it was last time Cure consistently looked stronger that Byun or Bunny? I agree that patch is Z-favored, maps are Z-favored, and if patch goes through - Zerg will win Katowice with 95% chance. But list of good enough T and P doesn't make much sense. cuz maxpax is not going, and he has not shown offline performance so there is no guarantee he would even do well, especially if its because of insecurities his nerves could be a real factor. and does anyone really think Zoun is going to win? as for why not include byun and bunny? Maybe they could but just my personal opinion Clem or Cure would be more likely. I could see others disagreeing, particularly with ByuN who I would put a little higher than bunny atm | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
On January 13 2023 18:53 CicadaSC wrote: and does anyone really think Zoun is going to win? Does anyone think Cure or Clem is going to win? Answer is also "no", isn't it?So I'd say the actual "probable contenders" list looks like Z - Serral, Reynor, Dark P - herO T - Maru | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1905 Posts
On January 13 2023 18:55 ZeroByte13 wrote: Does anyone think Cure or Clem is going to win? Answer is also "no", isn't it? So I'd say the actual "probable contenders" list looks like Z - Serral, Reynor, Dark P - herO T - Maru I think my point is, in terms of likelyness cure or clem are a lot more likely to win than Zoun. Clem won DH EU beating reynor just a few months ago. Cure also got 2nd place and carried his team in team league and dont forget at start of last year he also got 2nd place in last chance tournament. Byun best result is 3rd place 2022. | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
Right now I'd say Byun has a significantly higher chance than Cure. Btw Zoun has won against Serral not so long ago so he's not a pushover. Also unfortunately Clem winning anything in EU never meant much outside for global tourneys... He can "farm" wins against Serral and Reynor but was never able to beat top koreans outside of a few very rare occasions. Heromarine got 4th place at last Katowice while Clem was... 12th? | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1905 Posts
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
And Cure is not even in top 20 with his 1102 points, so he will have to go through Round of 36. So Byun definitely and measurably had a better year than Cure, no? How someone can be a contender if they are not even in top-20? On January 13 2023 19:16 CicadaSC wrote: My position is - "if you could never perform well outside of EU, not even once, you are not a global contender".I think if you can beat serral and reynor consistently, who are global contenders, you are a global contender yourself. | ||
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
On January 13 2023 19:16 CicadaSC wrote: i think if you can beat serral and reynor consistently, who are global contenders, you are a global contender yourself. Maybe he has a bad winrate vs koreans but a good bracket could easily fix that. I think byun is definitely good. his homestory cup run was impressive but overall cure had a better year than byun imo Cure has a record of 0W-3L vs Serral with 0-5 map score and 1W-3L vs Reynor with 2-9 map score. Not sure you can call that consistently beating them if you look at last years results. | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
On January 13 2023 21:35 Ronski wrote: They were talking about Clem, I think.Not sure you can call that consistently beating them if you look at last years results. I mentioned Clem never winning anything outside of EU because he can win vs Serral/Reynor but not other top players, and I thought this was CicadaSC's answer to my words. But I might be wrong, of course. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On January 13 2023 19:22 ZeroByte13 wrote: But Byun is #11 in global standings, with 1,891 points. And Cure is not even in top 20 with his 1102 points, so he will have to go through Round of 36. So Byun definitely and measurably had a better year than Cure, no? How someone can be a contender if they are not even in top-20? My position is - "if you could never perform well outside of EU, not even once, you are not a global contender". I think Clem definitely has the skill to be a global contender, but until he delivers in an offline, global tournament I'm going to continue to doubt him. He'd need a dream bracket to win, and that's assuming that he can translate his online record against Reynor/Serral into an offline setting. Clem is heavily disadvantaged against Dark, Bunny, and Maru, and I think he'll have a hard time against herO, Serral, Reynor, Byun and Cure too. Bunny is the real non-Maru Terran hope. While I doubt he can beat multiple top Zerg back to back, he's good enough to beat one, and his other MUs are really good too. I don't have much faith that Bunny can win, but if a Terran not named Maru goes deep my money's on Bunny. | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
On January 14 2023 01:24 tigera6 wrote: Yeah, this feels about right, my list would be the same.I would put Byun > Bunny > Clem > HM > Cure > Gumiho | ||
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TheCheapSkate
Slovenia317 Posts
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tlnetuser108
83 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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tigera6
3483 Posts
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SeGaL
12 Posts
Byun , Bunny , Cure , Gumiho and sooner or later he will find them in his way . Reynor atm seems to not practise and losses left and right but if he comes at form can win it , Serral , Maru , Dark , Hero are obvious contenders and after those ill put Byun , Bunny if he practises hard , Maxpax if he comes and Clem . | ||
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