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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-30 11:39:38
November 30 2022 11:38 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: "How much does the quality of the grand finals affect your enjoyment of a tournament?"
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
November 30 2022 11:48 GMT
#2
Usually a lot, with the exception of a major underdog winning, or a player I really like winning. Sometimes it can also be fun for it to be a scrappy shitshow, but just really close games.
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
November 30 2022 12:55 GMT
#3
As long as it's not a mirror match up I'm good with it.

Nothing worse then that, a mirror match up is almost an auto no watch for me in the grand finals, thankfully it's pretty rare.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
November 30 2022 13:34 GMT
#4
Quality of Grand Final? I wonder why that being asked now that Rogue has gone to the military.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
November 30 2022 14:43 GMT
#5
On November 30 2022 22:34 tigera6 wrote:
Quality of Grand Final? I wonder why that being asked now that Rogue has gone to the military.

Honestly, I enjoyed Rogue finals. Seeing whatever weirdo strategy he'd decide to beat someone to death with was fun

Watching Serral play nothing but defensive macro games, on the other hand...
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2624 Posts
November 30 2022 15:06 GMT
#6
I don't think a grand finals can _ruin_ a tournament for me, but it sure as hell can cement a good tournament into a great tournament.
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_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands676 Posts
November 30 2022 18:41 GMT
#7
What makes a tournament for me are good upsets, crazy long back n forth games, and the occasional draw

The game play in Grand Finals is extremely solid (obviously). Enjoyable as well, but not jumping-off-the-couch-fist-pumping exciting.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-04 10:37:30
December 04 2022 10:33 GMT
#8
Hmmm, very general question, I guess it depends somewhat on the event. For example, something like HomeStory Cup or the Husky-HD Invitational or the Tasteless LAN Party are much more about the sum of all the cool and fun experiences along the way than just the grand final. But for me generally that's also the case for most tournaments, including the most serious and prestigious ones. If Jaedong-Flash happens at the semi-final that's way more important for me at this tournament than the grand final. Just yesterday I heard a football fan who only cared about Argentina-Brazil at the World Cup. He'd like this to be the grand final, but realizes it's only possible at the semi-final with current brackets. So for him such (possible) semi will be the most important match. I usually remember battles of big names, or battles with known historical rivalry, or some story behind the match up; the other thing is battles of unusual quality - amazing strategies, length, something very exciting about the games. That's possible at any point during a tournament, not just the grand final. For example, I'll forever remember when qxc, wearing a bandana, all-killed Mvp's IM in GSTL, including beating Mvp himself in his prime. That was in the group stage, so what. It's a match with more significance in my memory than many GSL grand finals.

Long story short, I voted a 2. The quality of the grand final is not entirely insignificant, it does have importance, of course. But it's not the event for me. Generally, the way to the finals is more important and has bigger chance of leaving a lasting memory about the event. A dull grand final does not make the whole event dull for me.
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DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
December 05 2022 07:53 GMT
#9
Imo for tournaments like GSL it's a major downer, for weekend tournaments not so much if there'd been great games for the rest of the weekend.
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
190 Posts
December 05 2022 23:28 GMT
#10
Just like in combat sports, we wanna see the best of the best duke it out. If that happens in a BO5 or more I'm happy regardless of how deep in the tournament. Has to be deciding doh
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
December 06 2022 01:38 GMT
#11
I HATE watching clean sweeps like 2-0, 3-0 or 5-0, whatever game it may be.
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DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
December 06 2022 07:30 GMT
#12
On December 04 2022 19:33 figq wrote:
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Hmmm, very general question, I guess it depends somewhat on the event. For example, something like HomeStory Cup or the Husky-HD Invitational or the Tasteless LAN Party are much more about the sum of all the cool and fun experiences along the way than just the grand final. But for me generally that's also the case for most tournaments, including the most serious and prestigious ones. If Jaedong-Flash happens at the semi-final that's way more important for me at this tournament than the grand final. Just yesterday I heard a football fan who only cared about Argentina-Brazil at the World Cup. He'd like this to be the grand final, but realizes it's only possible at the semi-final with current brackets. So for him such (possible) semi will be the most important match. I usually remember battles of big names, or battles with known historical rivalry, or some story behind the match up; the other thing is battles of unusual quality - amazing strategies, length, something very exciting about the games. That's possible at any point during a tournament, not just the grand final. For example, I'll forever remember when qxc, wearing a bandana, all-killed Mvp's IM in GSTL, including beating Mvp himself in his prime. That was in the group stage, so what. It's a match with more significance in my memory than many GSL grand finals.

Long story short, I voted a 2. The quality of the grand final is not entirely insignificant, it does have importance, of course. But it's not the event for me. Generally, the way to the finals is more important and has bigger chance of leaving a lasting memory about the event. A dull grand final does not make the whole event dull for me.


Love how you casually bring up the Husky HD Inivitational like it's 2011. Fun times back then but the games were so bad, thank god we didn't know better back then.
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Seacow
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden99 Posts
December 06 2022 09:00 GMT
#13
I prefer early group stages to grand finals, more "smaller" stories to follow. GET EM HARSTEM etc.

Usually by the time grand finals roll around I'm a bit exhausted
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
December 06 2022 09:59 GMT
#14
zero negative effect
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25010 Posts
December 06 2022 14:00 GMT
#15
A great finals can elevate a good tournament to another level, but I don’t feel a bad finals detracts all that much from an otherwise great tournament
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
December 06 2022 17:09 GMT
#16
On December 06 2022 23:00 WombaT wrote:
A great finals can elevate a good tournament to another level, but I don’t feel a bad finals detracts all that much from an otherwise great tournament

My thoughts exactly.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19229 Posts
December 06 2022 23:49 GMT
#17
On December 07 2022 02:09 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
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On December 06 2022 23:00 WombaT wrote:
A great finals can elevate a good tournament to another level, but I don’t feel a bad finals detracts all that much from an otherwise great tournament

My thoughts exactly.

I felt like the finals definitely lessened the greatnesss of winning a G5L and I think GSLs definitely have fallen flat in the finals more often then not in the last 6 years. I personally think a bad finals takes a great GSL down a peg, but feel differently about weekenders.
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HallenTT
Profile Joined December 2022
1 Post
December 09 2022 08:04 GMT
#18
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112StaminaX
Profile Joined June 2020
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 11:36:59
December 12 2022 11:35 GMT
#19
this question troubles me. Kind of sounds like on the one hand you want a particular final, serral vs, maru vs OR if you are talking about the games, eg they cheese their way to the win/loss. Quality could come down to the actual players is what im saying.

The final is the final, its nice to see the regarded best in the world go at it but why this has any affect on your enjoyment of the other 30 odd games to getting there makes me believe the people voting here dont actually watch anything but the finals and would opt out if it was a mirror say.

come on. the most exciting final i wated was HAS years ago. hes a good player but you just didnt expect it. His builds are/were just insane, to have the brass to play like this on the main stage will foever go down as the best finals ever. Quality of play, low. Enjoyment, max 5000 or insert that bullshit anime saying to mean its overdrive. id never been so excited to watch since the idra days.
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-14 22:56:52
December 14 2022 22:55 GMT
#20
All about entertainment regardless if it’s 4-0 or 4-3

There are multiple cases where it was a boring final with 4-3 scores

As long as it’s a 4-0 rogue style beat down. I’m entertained

Series full of cheeses are the best to view
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