EPTOn August 06 2022 12:51 Gottingen wrote:
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i thought the finals at the blizzcon counted as world championship.
[Rumor] Rogue to announce retirement - Page 2
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spirit76
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i thought the finals at the blizzcon counted as world championship. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Swisslink
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On August 08 2022 23:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: No Rogue in GSL S3 qualifiers... Seems to be true after all then. I'm just wondering why he left without any comment beforehand. | ||
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TentativePanda
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outscar
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dysenterymd
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On August 09 2022 00:37 Swisslink wrote: Seems to be true after all then. I'm just wondering why he left without any comment beforehand. Maybe he has enough time to play in WTL but his enlistment date is before the end of GSL Season 3? He's also scheduled to play in the GFUEL gladiator's cup on Aug 20th. | ||
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JJH777
United States3859 Posts
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WardiTV
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esReveR
United States550 Posts
On August 06 2022 13:45 spirit76 wrote: i thought the finals at the blizzcon counted as world championship. The WCS global finals were at blizzcon, yes. Rogue only won the global finals one time in 2017. 2020 was the first year we went to EPT, which Rogue has not won a global championship of. Still, being the global champion one time is quite impressive. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany14756 Posts
On August 09 2022 02:31 esReveR wrote: The WCS global finals were at blizzcon, yes. Rogue only won the global finals one time in 2017. 2020 was the first year we went to EPT, which Rogue has not won a global championship of. Still, being the global champion one time is quite impressive. He's a 3 time world champion. IEM Katowice is a world championship and was always considered one | ||
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JJH777
United States3859 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany14756 Posts
On August 09 2022 03:40 JJH777 wrote: Wish someone would put together a clip of all the times casters have called players like TY a world champion. Seeing people try to differentiate Blizzcon from IEM world championship when IEM is way harder anyways is always annoying. I thought the name of the tournament 'IEM Katowice - World Championship' would already give it away so I don't understand it at all. Yes they are different world championships (belonging to different circuits), but in terms of prize pool, prestige and player pool they are basically the same so there's not really a point in differentiating. | ||
Waxangel
United States31332 Posts
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Balnazza
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On August 09 2022 00:55 outscar wrote: If this is military retirement thing I get it but to retire fully? Guy is nowhere near washed up are you kiddin me? Scariest zerg in korea and outside unbeatable at finals. He's getting better and better, he's Overmind! It definetly is because of military (if he retires). But there are certain rules applied even before that, for example he can't leave the country I believe six months prior? And sure, he can return after his service, but that will be in two years. Nobody knows the state of the scene/game in two years. Maybe GSL is dead by then, so why even bother to pick it up again? As for the discussion between IEM/World Champion: I will be honest, I think I only consider the winner of the "official" Blizzard tournament a World Champion. So every BlizzCon champion and of course every Katowice champion since 2021 (Reynor/Serral). It just feels weird to have two world championships in one year, especially considering that prior IEMs didn't have anything beforehand, they were just depending on qualifiers (so no circuit). But saying that, I can understand that people want to count them as such and I don't mind much. My question would be: Since when does it count? Is AcE a world champion for winning the IEM World Championships of 2013 in Hanover for a whopping 30K total, when the first WCS Global Finals in the same year awarded 250K? Doesn't really feel appropriate, does it? But if not every IEM Grand Finals winner is a world champion...when do we start the count? 2014 when it was the first time in Katowice, even though the prizepool didn't change compared to the year before? 2017 when IEM awarded 250K instead of 100K? Or just 2018/19/20 when there was 400K? Again, I don't want to take anything away from Rogue, but "world champion" for me is equivalent to the highest title you can win in Starcraft 2. So only giving it out once a year and only for the "official" circuit that the entire year builds up to feels much more comparable to me if that makes sense. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany14756 Posts
On August 09 2022 08:29 Balnazza wrote: It definetly is because of military (if he retires). But there are certain rules applied even before that, for example he can't leave the country I believe six months prior? And sure, he can return after his service, but that will be in two years. Nobody knows the state of the scene/game in two years. Maybe GSL is dead by then, so why even bother to pick it up again? As for the discussion between IEM/World Champion: I will be honest, I think I only consider the winner of the "official" Blizzard tournament a World Champion. So every BlizzCon champion and of course every Katowice champion since 2021 (Reynor/Serral). It just feels weird to have two world championships in one year, especially considering that prior IEMs didn't have anything beforehand, they were just depending on qualifiers (so no circuit). But saying that, I can understand that people want to count them as such and I don't mind much. My question would be: Since when does it count? Is AcE a world champion for winning the IEM World Championships of 2013 in Hanover for a whopping 30K total, when the first WCS Global Finals in the same year awarded 250K? Doesn't really feel appropriate, does it? But if not every IEM Grand Finals winner is a world champion...when do we start the count? 2014 when it was the first time in Katowice, even though the prizepool didn't change compared to the year before? 2017 when IEM awarded 250K instead of 100K? Or just 2018/19/20 when there was 400K? Again, I don't want to take anything away from Rogue, but "world champion" for me is equivalent to the highest title you can win in Starcraft 2. So only giving it out once a year and only for the "official" circuit that the entire year builds up to feels much more comparable to me if that makes sense. IEM Katowice since 2021 isn't an 'official Blizzard tournament' though, it's an ESL tournament. Either you consider just every Blizzcon a World Championship or every Blizzcon and every IEM Katowice, counting only some Katowices and others not makes zero sense. Also the argument with 'is Ace a World Champion' can also be done for Blizzcon 'are Genius and Mvp World Champions?' because they won it when it was just an Invitational with a couple players. So since when Blizzcon does count as World Championship? When do we start the count? Also that IEM Katowice has literally World Championship in its title makes those semantics pretty irrelevant because it officially just is one. | ||
digmouse
China5960 Posts
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Balnazza
126 Posts
On August 09 2022 16:01 Charoisaur wrote: IEM Katowice since 2021 isn't an 'official Blizzard tournament' though, it's an ESL tournament. Either you consider just every Blizzcon a World Championship or every Blizzcon and every IEM Katowice, counting only some Katowices and others not makes zero sense. Also the argument with 'is Ace a World Champion' can also be done for Blizzcon 'are Genius and Mvp World Champions?' because they won it when it was just an Invitational with a couple players. So since when Blizzcon does count as World Championship? When do we start the count? Also that IEM Katowice has literally World Championship in its title makes those semantics pretty irrelevant because it officially just is one. Yes, it is an ESL tournament, but Blizzard pays the bills - and it is more than clear that the EPT is just the new WCS circuit, so same thing, different name. You can definetly make an argument that Genius and MVP don't count because it was an Invitational and not the WCS yet. I probably wouldn't count them, no. And sorry, but the name is no indicator. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? The name "World Championship" for IEM was more or less a a leftover when the IEM was its own circuit. Pretty sure no one in 2012 said that MCs win of IEM VI was as important as PartinGs win of WCS at BlizzCon in the same year. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Argonauta
Spain4194 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany14756 Posts
On August 09 2022 20:03 Balnazza wrote: Yes, it is an ESL tournament, but Blizzard pays the bills - and it is more than clear that the EPT is just the new WCS circuit, so same thing, different name. You can definetly make an argument that Genius and MVP don't count because it was an Invitational and not the WCS yet. I probably wouldn't count them, no. And sorry, but the name is no indicator. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? The name "World Championship" for IEM was more or less a a leftover when the IEM was its own circuit. Pretty sure no one in 2012 said that MCs win of IEM VI was as important as PartinGs win of WCS at BlizzCon in the same year. I mean it doesn't matter anyways, it's just semantics. Whether you consider Rogue a 3 time world championship winner or a 1 time world championship winner who has also won 2 other world championship equivalent tournaments which are basically the same in terms of player pool, prestige and prize money and also have 'world championship' in its name but officially aren't 'real' world championships due to arbitrary criteria doesn't make a difference. Also I believe sOs always was unanimously called the 3-time-world champion so I wonder why we have the discussion now with Rogue. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? If it would be similar in terms of player pool, prestige and prize money, than of course yes. Nobody would call their tournament world championship if it isn't similar in those criteria | ||
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