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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
If reddit is to be beileve, Rogue retirement should be announce soon, he's expected to miss the WTL playoff and as such GSL season 3 of course. He would leave the game as a 3 time world champion, 4 time GSL champion, with two tripple crown to his name and over a millions dollars in his bank acount. He played his first sc2 match almost a decade ago to the day, a 2-1 win over Requiem | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
One of the greatest if not the greatest player of all time, at least for LotV. Scariest finals player, and one of the two « top » zergs left in Korea… I am not too upset about WTL given DPG roster, but that’s sad he only got 1 shot for the G5L | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17638 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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JJH777
United States4379 Posts
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Granted they are both titans that can easily compete with top Korean players, but still, it's a big personnel loss for the top Zergs. Good luck to Rogue, if he retired right at this moment he would still be one of the most decorated and money winning players ever, a true champion. | ||
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Ykhdsn
3 Posts
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tigera6
3231 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On August 04 2022 11:59 Ykhdsn wrote: According to DPG's manager he is working hard to prepare for GSL S3. Since he got 0-2 against solar in WTL , he is forced to practice harder than before. Maybe the retirement will be at next year? So I gues there is no merit to this rumpr then? Usually the Chinese Teams do know pretty well what their players are up to | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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NeWHoriZonS
54 Posts
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Spirral
62 Posts
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allmotor1
152 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On August 04 2022 18:14 Spirral wrote: Is this person who posted this on Reddit some verified source or what? I am surprised some random guy posts something and everybody believes this right away. A vermieden Source (a Team Manager from Rogues Team, DPG) said he s training hard for the wtl Playoffs, I rather believe him. Also Rogues contract with DPG is until after next WTL season, so at least for the Rest of 2022 I Don t think many people belive this rumor either | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 05 2022 02:05 dbRic1203 wrote: A vermieden Source (a Team Manager from Rogues Team, DPG) said he s training hard for the wtl Playoffs, I rather believe him. Also Rogues contract with DPG is until after next WTL season, so at least for the Rest of 2022 I Don t think many people belive this rumor either hopefully it's just a rumor, which it seems to be. We all know his military is nearing, but if he can at least finish the season and score some more great wins before military, that would be grand | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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spirit76
25 Posts
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Gottingen
United States27 Posts
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spirit76
25 Posts
On August 06 2022 12:51 Gottingen wrote: 17BLC, 18IEM, 20IEM i thought the finals at the blizzcon counted as world championship. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Swisslink
2950 Posts
On August 08 2022 23:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: No Rogue in GSL S3 qualifiers... Seems to be true after all then. I'm just wondering why he left without any comment beforehand. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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dysenterymd
1184 Posts
On August 09 2022 00:37 Swisslink wrote: Seems to be true after all then. I'm just wondering why he left without any comment beforehand. Maybe he has enough time to play in WTL but his enlistment date is before the end of GSL Season 3? He's also scheduled to play in the GFUEL gladiator's cup on Aug 20th. | ||
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JJH777
United States4379 Posts
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WardiTV
553 Posts
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esReveR
United States567 Posts
On August 06 2022 13:45 spirit76 wrote: i thought the finals at the blizzcon counted as world championship. The WCS global finals were at blizzcon, yes. Rogue only won the global finals one time in 2017. 2020 was the first year we went to EPT, which Rogue has not won a global championship of. Still, being the global champion one time is quite impressive. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 09 2022 02:31 esReveR wrote: The WCS global finals were at blizzcon, yes. Rogue only won the global finals one time in 2017. 2020 was the first year we went to EPT, which Rogue has not won a global championship of. Still, being the global champion one time is quite impressive. He's a 3 time world champion. IEM Katowice is a world championship and was always considered one | ||
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JJH777
United States4379 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 09 2022 03:40 JJH777 wrote: Wish someone would put together a clip of all the times casters have called players like TY a world champion. Seeing people try to differentiate Blizzcon from IEM world championship when IEM is way harder anyways is always annoying. I thought the name of the tournament 'IEM Katowice - World Championship' would already give it away so I don't understand it at all. Yes they are different world championships (belonging to different circuits), but in terms of prize pool, prestige and player pool they are basically the same so there's not really a point in differentiating. | ||
Waxangel
United States33248 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1114 Posts
On August 09 2022 00:55 outscar wrote: If this is military retirement thing I get it but to retire fully? Guy is nowhere near washed up are you kiddin me? Scariest zerg in korea and outside unbeatable at finals. He's getting better and better, he's Overmind! It definetly is because of military (if he retires). But there are certain rules applied even before that, for example he can't leave the country I believe six months prior? And sure, he can return after his service, but that will be in two years. Nobody knows the state of the scene/game in two years. Maybe GSL is dead by then, so why even bother to pick it up again? As for the discussion between IEM/World Champion: I will be honest, I think I only consider the winner of the "official" Blizzard tournament a World Champion. So every BlizzCon champion and of course every Katowice champion since 2021 (Reynor/Serral). It just feels weird to have two world championships in one year, especially considering that prior IEMs didn't have anything beforehand, they were just depending on qualifiers (so no circuit). But saying that, I can understand that people want to count them as such and I don't mind much. My question would be: Since when does it count? Is AcE a world champion for winning the IEM World Championships of 2013 in Hanover for a whopping 30K total, when the first WCS Global Finals in the same year awarded 250K? Doesn't really feel appropriate, does it? But if not every IEM Grand Finals winner is a world champion...when do we start the count? 2014 when it was the first time in Katowice, even though the prizepool didn't change compared to the year before? 2017 when IEM awarded 250K instead of 100K? Or just 2018/19/20 when there was 400K? Again, I don't want to take anything away from Rogue, but "world champion" for me is equivalent to the highest title you can win in Starcraft 2. So only giving it out once a year and only for the "official" circuit that the entire year builds up to feels much more comparable to me if that makes sense. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 09 2022 08:29 Balnazza wrote: It definetly is because of military (if he retires). But there are certain rules applied even before that, for example he can't leave the country I believe six months prior? And sure, he can return after his service, but that will be in two years. Nobody knows the state of the scene/game in two years. Maybe GSL is dead by then, so why even bother to pick it up again? As for the discussion between IEM/World Champion: I will be honest, I think I only consider the winner of the "official" Blizzard tournament a World Champion. So every BlizzCon champion and of course every Katowice champion since 2021 (Reynor/Serral). It just feels weird to have two world championships in one year, especially considering that prior IEMs didn't have anything beforehand, they were just depending on qualifiers (so no circuit). But saying that, I can understand that people want to count them as such and I don't mind much. My question would be: Since when does it count? Is AcE a world champion for winning the IEM World Championships of 2013 in Hanover for a whopping 30K total, when the first WCS Global Finals in the same year awarded 250K? Doesn't really feel appropriate, does it? But if not every IEM Grand Finals winner is a world champion...when do we start the count? 2014 when it was the first time in Katowice, even though the prizepool didn't change compared to the year before? 2017 when IEM awarded 250K instead of 100K? Or just 2018/19/20 when there was 400K? Again, I don't want to take anything away from Rogue, but "world champion" for me is equivalent to the highest title you can win in Starcraft 2. So only giving it out once a year and only for the "official" circuit that the entire year builds up to feels much more comparable to me if that makes sense. IEM Katowice since 2021 isn't an 'official Blizzard tournament' though, it's an ESL tournament. Either you consider just every Blizzcon a World Championship or every Blizzcon and every IEM Katowice, counting only some Katowices and others not makes zero sense. Also the argument with 'is Ace a World Champion' can also be done for Blizzcon 'are Genius and Mvp World Champions?' because they won it when it was just an Invitational with a couple players. So since when Blizzcon does count as World Championship? When do we start the count? Also that IEM Katowice has literally World Championship in its title makes those semantics pretty irrelevant because it officially just is one. | ||
digmouse
China6327 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1114 Posts
On August 09 2022 16:01 Charoisaur wrote: IEM Katowice since 2021 isn't an 'official Blizzard tournament' though, it's an ESL tournament. Either you consider just every Blizzcon a World Championship or every Blizzcon and every IEM Katowice, counting only some Katowices and others not makes zero sense. Also the argument with 'is Ace a World Champion' can also be done for Blizzcon 'are Genius and Mvp World Champions?' because they won it when it was just an Invitational with a couple players. So since when Blizzcon does count as World Championship? When do we start the count? Also that IEM Katowice has literally World Championship in its title makes those semantics pretty irrelevant because it officially just is one. Yes, it is an ESL tournament, but Blizzard pays the bills - and it is more than clear that the EPT is just the new WCS circuit, so same thing, different name. You can definetly make an argument that Genius and MVP don't count because it was an Invitational and not the WCS yet. I probably wouldn't count them, no. And sorry, but the name is no indicator. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? The name "World Championship" for IEM was more or less a a leftover when the IEM was its own circuit. Pretty sure no one in 2012 said that MCs win of IEM VI was as important as PartinGs win of WCS at BlizzCon in the same year. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 09 2022 20:03 Balnazza wrote: Yes, it is an ESL tournament, but Blizzard pays the bills - and it is more than clear that the EPT is just the new WCS circuit, so same thing, different name. You can definetly make an argument that Genius and MVP don't count because it was an Invitational and not the WCS yet. I probably wouldn't count them, no. And sorry, but the name is no indicator. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? The name "World Championship" for IEM was more or less a a leftover when the IEM was its own circuit. Pretty sure no one in 2012 said that MCs win of IEM VI was as important as PartinGs win of WCS at BlizzCon in the same year. I mean it doesn't matter anyways, it's just semantics. Whether you consider Rogue a 3 time world championship winner or a 1 time world championship winner who has also won 2 other world championship equivalent tournaments which are basically the same in terms of player pool, prestige and prize money and also have 'world championship' in its name but officially aren't 'real' world championships due to arbitrary criteria doesn't make a difference. Also I believe sOs always was unanimously called the 3-time-world champion so I wonder why we have the discussion now with Rogue. If TakeTV calls the next Homestory Cup the "HSC World Championship", would you count however wins that as a World Champion aswell? If it would be similar in terms of player pool, prestige and prize money, than of course yes. Nobody would call their tournament world championship if it isn't similar in those criteria | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1114 Posts
And for your last point: Are the winners of ESWC 2011/12 world champions? Those were World Cups, even giving out more prizemoney than the first IEM WC...but with a player-field of 50% players nobody ever heard of... Again, everyone can call their tournament whatever they like. WESG could also be a contender for that in fact. So I personally prefer to just stick to the one tournament that is definetly the one with the highest prestige. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 09 2022 21:28 Balnazza wrote: Obviously it is more of a discussion "for fun". As I said, I don't want to take anything away from Rogue.I'm just a big fan of Hall of Fames and all that stuff, so it is a personal interest what exactly is considered a "World Champion". And for your last point: Are the winners of ESWC 2011/12 world champions? Those were World Cups, even giving out more prizemoney than the first IEM WC...but with a player-field of 50% players nobody ever heard of... Again, everyone can call their tournament whatever they like. WESG could also be a contender for that in fact. So I personally prefer to just stick to the one tournament that is definetly the one with the highest prestige. Fair enough I just think it's a bit weird / arbitrary to only call the world championships that are the result of a year-long circuit 'real' world championships. In fact I would argue the IEM qualifier format leads to a more fierce player pool because that makes sure only the most in-form players qualify and not players who were strong in the beginning of the year and then declined but still made it in on points. Also in many real sports world championships just have a normal qualifier, so it's not like that's a defining feature of a world championship. | ||
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mark_lenders
74 Posts
On August 09 2022 02:16 WardiTV wrote: For what its worth, Rogue seems fine to play the rest of my event this month so I imagine he can still play in WTL playoffs. He probably can play now but not until the end of GSL | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
As for Rogue, well... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24547 Posts
On August 09 2022 22:32 Xain0n wrote: I'm sad that Trap has to retire without having won a Code S. As for Rogue, well... Probably somewhat explains the former’s relative slump of late. Some get galvanised having their last shot for the foreseeable future, for others it’s too much pressure and I’d wager Trap’s wired a bit more towards the latter. And such a shame Rogue’s race with Maru for G5L may be settled by the former’s absence and not in a tournament bracket. | ||
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snugger
12 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On August 10 2022 11:58 Arceus wrote: I stopped following sc2 closely in 2018 when Rogue only had like one notable title. Now he retires with 4 GSL lol Just like Zest, I believe Rogue only takes a military break. | ||
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Swisslink
2950 Posts
On August 10 2022 13:11 swarminfestor wrote: Just like Zest, I believe Rogue only takes a military break. I like your optimism, but I‘m not sure GSL will still be a thing when Rogue returns. I lost trust in Blizzard and I would assume, GSL’s existence relies on Blizzard‘s money atm? | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary466 Posts
On August 10 2022 11:58 Arceus wrote: I stopped following sc2 closely in 2018 when Rogue only had like one notable title. Now he retires with 4 GSL lol Imagine when Dark also goes to military soon, with Zest, Rogue, Trap already gone Maru will have free reign in GSL. Unless ofc Serral/Reynor comes. | ||
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tigera6
3231 Posts
On August 10 2022 20:27 kajtarp wrote: Imagine when Dark also goes to military soon, with Zest, Rogue, Trap already gone Maru will have free reign in GSL. Unless ofc Serral/Reynor comes. By then Stats and TY should be coming back, but yeah, I think its a matter of when Maru win G5L, not if. | ||
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Gottingen
United States27 Posts
Stats will definitely come back to sc2 though. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15884 Posts
On August 10 2022 20:27 kajtarp wrote: Imagine when Dark also goes to military soon, with Zest, Rogue, Trap already gone Maru will have free reign in GSL. Unless ofc Serral/Reynor comes. If GSL continues. Considering the ESL contract ends this year I wouldn't be so sure about that. Artosis leaving korea is also not a good sign although it oficially has nothing to do with that. | ||
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Nagumo
Germany14 Posts
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lechatnoir
384 Posts
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pzlama333
United States276 Posts
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angry_maia
301 Posts
On August 10 2022 22:27 tigera6 wrote: By then Stats and TY should be coming back, but yeah, I think its a matter of when Maru win G5L, not if. i think Maru's got an excellent shot at G5Ling this season tbh. hero's his biggest threat, and hero has looked shaky in the ro6. It's also not a guarantee that hero makes it into the ro4. For all the other players still in it, maru's a massive favorite as they are either terrans or DRG/Ragnarok. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
On October 02 2022 09:35 pzlama333 wrote: Well, Rogue indeed will go to military (either already or next week), and he also said he will return after military services. He was interviewed by DPG's captain EnChant a few days ago: https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-381794.htm But it seems no one translated it yet. Thanks. So I might be around again since Rogue won't retire. Rogue and Zest seemed doesn't want to give up Sc2 despite rumour saying Sc2 is dead. Hopefully they let the fans to send some gifts or cheerful remarks before he embark into military service? | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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