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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 12:05:15
July 01 2022 12:04 GMT
#21
On July 01 2022 19:02 Drfilip wrote:


Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. Is the bad tone the reason? The contents are a bit hyperbolic but it is all clearly opinion without any personal attacks. tilhorizon is attacking a common argument, not any one poster.
The tone is a bit aggressive, but not overly excessive. That shouldn't be enough of a reason unless tilhorizon has established a pattern and this post got warned as a cumulative result.

I'm assuming he got warned because of this:
but all this comentator talk about the big 3 is just stupid trash talk

Can be seen as personal attack on the casters
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Iskhiaro
Profile Joined March 2011
Great Britain11 Posts
July 01 2022 12:06 GMT
#22
I would put dark and hero ahead of clem, I think they stand a better chance of winning the tournament right now. Otherwise, this is pretty much spot on.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 01 2022 12:29 GMT
#23
Since we don't have a thread yet, I'd just like to point out that NA has a 100% win rate vs EU in group stage 1. That some sweet sweet revenge from all those years of the fly in fly out European
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
July 01 2022 12:31 GMT
#24
On July 01 2022 21:29 Nakajin wrote:
Since we don't have a thread yet, I'd just like to point out that NA has a 100% win rate vs EU in group stage 1. That some sweet sweet revenge from all those years of the fly in fly out European

Group stage 1 is so formidable that I don't even know all the players.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
gleed
Profile Joined June 2022
9 Posts
July 01 2022 12:49 GMT
#25
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6956 Posts
July 01 2022 13:12 GMT
#26
On July 01 2022 21:49 gleed wrote:
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|


Depends on who you ask
Most would probably say that the top foreigners are even with top koreans. Some would say no and some others would even say the GOAT is non Korean
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 13:16:38
July 01 2022 13:15 GMT
#27
On July 01 2022 21:49 gleed wrote:
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|

pretty much due to all the retirements, military duty and also there being zero new blood in the korean scene.
The korean scene probably still has way more depth but this depth is also shrinking rapidly
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
July 01 2022 13:24 GMT
#28
I wish something good to Clem, because of his global performance and the fact he never won an offline tourney.

As soon as possible,
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 14:07:36
July 01 2022 14:07 GMT
#29
On July 01 2022 20:18 tilhorizon wrote:
Show nested quote +



Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. .


i am confused as well , is it because i have a different opinion than the writer ? or was any word i sayd on some kind of a
ban list i dont know


Any “negative” post about terrans gets a very short leash here
on TL

Meanwhile shitpost on Zergs and protoss usually gets no warnings

MarinoSC constant shitpost about Reynor vs Maru 2 years about was a perfect example. In summary he was talking so much trash and shitted reynor when Maru was up 2-0. Then he went on suicide watch once reynor won 3-2
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6956 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 14:23:10
July 01 2022 14:18 GMT
#30
On July 01 2022 23:07 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 20:18 tilhorizon wrote:



Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. .


i am confused as well , is it because i have a different opinion than the writer ? or was any word i sayd on some kind of a
ban list i dont know


Any “negative” post about terrans gets a very short leash here
on TL


I just re-read the initial warned post and there was absolutely no indication of that.

Mariano is a special case of Korean Elitist + Show Spoiler +
who actually prefers a cheater/matchfixer to foreign players according to his top11 list
and everyone knows it. Take the opinions with a grain of salt
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 01 2022 14:18 GMT
#31
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
July 01 2022 16:00 GMT
#32
On July 01 2022 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator


some may not agree but this is a list you could work with its reasonable and maybe just slightly off

but putting clem on 3 , is , how do i put it , i try not to get warned again , so i try to use only nice words
by all respect a professionell powerrank should reflect what is most likely true, what will be the most likely outcome what is most logical backed by data and past results ,not personal preferences

clem on 3 when you check his offline records when you check how he is doing vs koreans in similar tournaments and compare that to dark
how on lovely earth could you put him in front of dark
the bookmakers dont want to lose money dark is way ahead
alligulac not perfect but a indicator agrees also on a possible h2h outcome
history agrees

if you make a list with all the players in valencia ,if all of them have to face clem and dark
the most likely outcome will be that dark wins more games than clem
it has nothing to do with disrespect just beeing objectiv

i wonder why sc2 casters ore powerrank makers almost never check with bookmakers
and ignore past results statistics and propable outcome
imagine a football game when you ask the reporter who will be favorite who will most likely win
normaly thay say what the bookmakers say like in almost any other sport , but not in sc2

CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1772 Posts
July 01 2022 16:37 GMT
#33
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 20:58:33
July 01 2022 16:50 GMT
#34
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 17:47:49
July 01 2022 17:45 GMT
#35
On July 02 2022 01:00 tilhorizon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator


some may not agree but this is a list you could work with its reasonable and maybe just slightly off

but putting clem on 3 , is , how do i put it , i try not to get warned again , so i try to use only nice words
by all respect a professionell powerrank should reflect what is most likely true, what will be the most likely outcome what is most logical backed by data and past results ,not personal preferences

clem on 3 when you check his offline records when you check how he is doing vs koreans in similar tournaments and compare that to dark
how on lovely earth could you put him in front of dark
the bookmakers dont want to lose money dark is way ahead
alligulac not perfect but a indicator agrees also on a possible h2h outcome
history agrees

if you make a list with all the players in valencia ,if all of them have to face clem and dark
the most likely outcome will be that dark wins more games than clem
it has nothing to do with disrespect just beeing objectiv

i wonder why sc2 casters ore powerrank makers almost never check with bookmakers
and ignore past results statistics and propable outcome
imagine a football game when you ask the reporter who will be favorite who will most likely win
normaly thay say what the bookmakers say like in almost any other sport , but not in sc2


I mean I agree with Dark > Clem but it's definitely not as clear as you seem to think, I think both opinions are legitimate.
Clem doesn't have the best track record with international tournaments but we know his skill is right up there and does reputation / track record in a particular tournament circuit really hold a higher value than current skill level? It's definitely arguable.

Btw herO also hasn't shown the track record of being able to perform in premier tournaments since his return
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
July 01 2022 18:08 GMT
#36
I was brought here by twitter.

You got it wrong.

Kind regards,
Borsti

(P.S. xoxo luv u kthxbye)
StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 01 2022 19:37 GMT
#37
Can someone tell me where is Serral? What happened to him?
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 21:13:36
July 01 2022 21:12 GMT
#38
On July 02 2022 04:37 StaNi wrote:
Can someone tell me where is Serral? What happened to him?


He didn't get an automatic invite because he got knocked out of a tournament too early, then he chose not to participate via open qualifiers, citing "personal reasons". He did say he still plans on participating in the rest of the major tournaments throughout the year.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 21:46:27
July 01 2022 21:45 GMT
#39
A bit of hindsight bias on mine after day 1, but still think I would've had something close to this

10 ByuN
9 DRG
8 ShoWTimE
7 Solar
6 HM
5 Bunny
4 Clem
3 herO
2 Maru
1 Reynor

I so so wanted to put Maru 1, but I can't in good faith ;-;
I'm disappointed in you Mr. Poopi for suggesting Clem and Maru are even close >

edit: forgot Dark, prob would be above herO
maru :D
mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 23:31:36
July 01 2022 23:30 GMT
#40
After day 1 i would never put Solar and Byun in the top 10. Ragnarok and Neeb deserve to be there
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