• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:31
CEST 16:31
KST 23:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence2Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups2WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion Playing StarCraft as 2 people on the same network [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group C [ASL20] Ro16 Group B [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info! Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1455 users

ESL Open #127: ByuN, Clem, MaxPax win; Reynor Protosses

Forum Index > SC2 General
19 CommentsPost a Reply
TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
June 14 2022 21:17 GMT
#1
[image loading]
2022-23 ESL Pro Tour - Open Cups: Week #127 (June 12-13)


In week #127, ByuN won the Korean server cup once again to achieve the back-to-back, MaxPax achieved his own consecutive victory in the Americas cup, while Clem supplanted HeroMarine as the king of Europe. However, the most impressive performance of the week didn't come from one of the champions—instead it came from Reynor, who off-raced as Protoss and beat several top-tier players on his way to a runner-up finish in EU.

Korean Cup: Participation was down in the Korean cup after a spike in week #126. Armani and Rex were the main Zerg representatives, ByuN and KeeN were the most notable Terrans, while Protoss had the deepest pool of players including Classic, Creator, herO, and NightMare.

The round of 16 brought some notable eliminations earlyon, such as Chinese terran Coffee beating Rex (2-1) or Chance upsetting Keen (2-1). However, the overall even seeding made sure the best players met later on. The RO8 went mostly as expected: Creator won against Coffee (2-0), Classic beat NightMare (2-0), and herO took out Chance (2-0). ByuN beat Armani as well, but that was due to a forfeit.

The semifinals were where the Code S-class competition began, beginning with Creator taking down Classic (2-0). That may or may not be surprising depending on if you mostly watched GSL where Creator performed superbly well in Season 1, or online cups such as EPT where Creator has struggled as of late (particularly in PvP). The bottom side semifinals between herO and ByuN was close as expected, with ByuN taking the 2-1 victory to face Creator in the finals.

ByuN made it look like it would be an easy title defense after winning the first two games of the finals (VOD), but Creator managed to claw his way back into the series and tied it 2-2. However, ByuN was able to close out the series in the final match, locking in his back-to-back KR cup victory.

Upset(s) of the day: None of the big names suffered upsets, but Chance defeating KeeN was a big surprise in the earlier rounds. Aligulac.com currently gives the Protoss player a 13% chance of beating KeeN in a BO3, so his chances were probably 10% or even lower at the time of the match.

*****

European Cup: This European cup was quite stacked, with almost all the big names present. MaxPax, ShoWTimE, trigger, SKillous, and an off-racing Reynor were some of the notable Protoss representatives; Clem, HeroMarine, Spirit, and SpeCial fought on the Terran side; and Elazer and Lambo were the most high-profile Zergs Zergs alongside. Zerg also had the retiree Nerchio returning for one of his infrequent visits—as it turned out, it wouldn't be a token appearance.

Nerchio produced one of the biggest upsets of the top side of the bracket, defeating Lambo 2-1 in the RO32. That's already a pretty insane result, but there would be more madness to come in the lower bracket. In any case, everything else went relatively as expected on the top side. Clem burned a path to the semifinals by defeating MaNa and SKillous 2-0 each, where he was met by Spirit who had defeated SpeCial and Gerald (who had previously ended Nerchio's run) to get there as well. The TvT semifinals between Clem and Spirit was dominated by the French Terran Clem who managed to qualify for the finals while maintaining a perfect record.

The bottom side of the bracket was very stacked with HeroMarine, ShoWTimE, MaxPax, and Reynor having to battle it out quite early. MaxPax had a good start with a 2-1 over BabyMarine and 2-0 against Elazer, but could not survive his encounter with HeroMarine (who won 2-1 vs GungFuBanDa beforehands). ShoWTimE was the favorite against both Firefly Firefly and Harstem, but struggled a bit with 2-1 victories each time (maybe this was foreshadowing what was about to come). Reynor defeated CuKu 2-0 in PvT, which is already impressive, but also managed to win 2-1 against Canadian Protoss trigger. Sure, he had the server advantage, but this was still impressive as trigger is a strong NA player. Yet, that wasn't the end of Reynor's story.

Reynor receiving high seeding even when off-racing has negatively affected the competition in the past, but this week, but he proved he was truly worthy of the #2 seed at the bottom side of the bracket (with Clem taking #1 after winning DHM: EU last week). After beating trigger, Reynor went on to beat one of the top non-Korean Protosses in ShoWTimE by a clean 2-0 scoreline (VOD). Spectators and Protoss players who find the match-up too volatile will have a good laugh about that result, but Reynor wasn't content with one upset. Indeed, he went on to beat HeroMarine with Protoss as well, taking a 2-1 victory (VOD). In my opinion, this run surpasses the previous best off-race performance in a competitive tournament, which was achieved by a Protoss-playing Scarlett who beat DongRaeGu 1-0 during a live MLG event in 2014 (albeit, ESL weeklies have lower stakes than the old MLG majors).

After such an impressive performance, we can forgive Reynor for losing against another one of the best Terran players in the world in the finals. Clem took a comfortable 3-1 victory in the finals (VOD), but even then Reynor still managed to take a map. This victory is the 34th one for Clem in Europe, and across all regions he is ranked #3 with 41 gold medals, right behind #2 Zest with 44 and #1 HeroMarine with 46.

Upset(s) of the day: Nerchio beating Lambo, even 2-1 in a mirror match-up, would have taken the upset of the day title in almost any other week as his chance of winning was below 30% according to Aligulac. But Reynor’s run is so ridiculously impressive that it might not just be the upset of the day, it might be 'the upset of the entire history of ESL Open Cups.'

Keep in mind, these Aligulac percentages are calculated with his Protoss rating after it's been significantly boosted from the wins: 1.88% chance to beat HeroMarine, 4.02% chance to beat ShoWTimE, and 16.68% chance to beat trigger. The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list.

*****

American Cup: After such a crazy EU cup, the NA one that took place a few hours later was obviously calmer. ByuN was the lone top Terran representative, Zerg had Bioice, Golden and Mixu, among others to contend for the title, and Protoss had a few more players with notably DisK, Gerald, Maplez, MaxPax, Nina, ShaDoWn, SKillous and trigger.

Nina managed to defeat Maplez 2-0 (the 2nd canadian player in Nation Wars) before losing 0-2 against ByuN in the ro16, RockEr beat ShaDoWn 2-1 and SKillous beat Jason 2-0. Other notable results include MaxPax 2-0 against Golden in the PvZ, trigger 2-0 vs Bioice in a canadian PvZ and DisK 2-0 against Spatz in PvP. The top side quarter finals were one-sided, with ByuN and Gerald winning 2-0 against Exostriker and Mixu respectively, as the favorites. The bottom side of the bracket was full of PvP and closer on paper, although the scores ended up being the same: SKillous 2-0 against DisK, MaxPax 2-0 vs trigger.

ByuN won 2-0 versus Gerald to qualify for the finals while MaxPax was able to beat SKillous 2-1 to get a shot at a back-to-back victory. The final ended up going the distance (VOD), with MaxPax overcoming a 1-2 deficit to win yet another NA cup. He's now at 13 total gold medals in NA for his career, ahead of PartinG and just behind #2 Solar who had 16 (#1 is still Zest with 23).

Upset(s) of the day: The biggest upset for me was RockEr beating ShaDoWn, and Aligulac definitely agrees as the Protoss had around 7% chances to do so on paper. He achieved a similar upset against Creator not too long ago where the cannon rush was his tool of choice. My bet would be that he went to that cheesy approach again, though I couldn't find a VOD to confirm.

by Poopi
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
193 Posts
June 14 2022 21:48 GMT
#2
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man

User was warned for this post
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-14 21:58:23
June 14 2022 21:57 GMT
#3
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
June 14 2022 22:02 GMT
#4
An Open Cup not being a Code S event has nothing to do with that kind of run. The principle of offracing is more important than the tier of the event, and it's not that he didn't beat some high tier players in the process.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
193 Posts
June 14 2022 23:15 GMT
#5
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


User was temp banned for this post.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 00:35:30
June 15 2022 00:28 GMT
#6
On June 15 2022 08:15 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


The above list is based on Aligulac rating differential, because it's trying to find an objective criteria for the list. The 1400-ish rating gap (which probably should have been more explicit) makes it easily qualify for the many lists in the post. So this is your second post on the subject without even clicking the link to find out the context, which I find pretty concerning for a guy who has a "I'll say whatever I want, however I want attitude."

You can express an opinion or criticism in many ways; choosing to do in the the most abrasive and annoying manner possible reflects pretty poorly on you.

Also, i'm not a 'journalist,' im some guy who likes StarCraft and tries to make sure there's a reasonably pleasant environment for discussing StarCraft on a community website
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 02:28:21
June 15 2022 02:25 GMT
#7
I've gotta watch these Reynor games now lol. His Terran is darn good too... maybe he could be the first in the world to win a cup with all 3 races?

Edit: Just winning with 2 races would already be a world first I think.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3408 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 11:38:28
June 15 2022 10:20 GMT
#8
I see some problems comparing this to biggest upsets in history. First of all, Reynor's Protoss is counted as race switcher on aligulac. So his Terran games count towards this as well, while his Zerg does not.

And I can't seem to find Scarletts Protoss, so Scarletts win vs DRG is not counted on it's own. And I think if it was it would be the biggest upset. Since I don't remember, at that time Scarlett ever signing up for any tournaments as Protoss. So what can we do here?

So yeah it's pretty silly.

Edit: Scarlett only beat Dong Rae Gu using Protoss for 1 game, iirc so I'm wrong, though my argument still stands. If Serral or someone choses to play a race that they obviously have trained, it could even be a map specific build, like Parting cannon rushing Solar on that terrible GSL map. As long as aligulac doesn't have any recorded maps in official games, then this should be the biggest upset..
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
FamesCorv
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany33 Posts
June 15 2022 11:16 GMT
#9
great write up, it really sucks that I missed this european cup live. I don't like watching the vods after I know the results. But I really wanna know why nerchio plays again and what level he is on and what strategies Reynor was playing.
Xlord fulltime ? - bye, bye Stephano!
KobayashiSC2
Profile Joined December 2019
3 Posts
June 15 2022 12:38 GMT
#10
Hello,
There is no article about the DH SC2 Masters 2022 Valencia: Europe Finale ?
thx
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24209 Posts
June 15 2022 13:40 GMT
#11
So Reynor is now at the giving and receiving end of two of the biggest upsets in SC2 history (winner as P vs HM, loser as Z vs the famous Hyperion)
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
June 15 2022 14:15 GMT
#12
On June 15 2022 08:15 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


User was temp banned for this post.

he's not entirely wrong, It certainly was a huge upset, but I don't think the Aligulac rating for his Protoss is accurate at all due to him having barely any games with Protoss.
The assumption that this belongs to the greatest upsets of all time based on the aligulac ratings is ... questionable.


Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 15 2022 14:36 GMT
#13
i'm curious what style Reynor played, did he play very straight up or some weird Protoss book of bs?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
angryground
Profile Joined March 2021
58 Posts
June 15 2022 14:44 GMT
#14
On June 15 2022 08:15 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


User was temp banned for this post.


+1
I share this opinion.
Mods, come on, what is this.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
June 15 2022 15:50 GMT
#15
On June 15 2022 23:36 Schelim wrote:
i'm curious what style Reynor played, did he play very straight up or some weird Protoss book of bs?

Only watched the TvPs, but he played straight up. Against HM he got lucky with build orders though like Robo first vs 3 rax and then a Proxy Rax from HM which was immediately scouted
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany323 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 19:27:09
June 15 2022 19:26 GMT
#16
On June 15 2022 08:15 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


User was temp banned for this post.


Thx for the recap.

Im very happy that the mods ban people who behave like this.
Its not about the opinion but about the behaviour and the way of expressing oneself.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3408 Posts
June 16 2022 11:40 GMT
#17
Uthermal beat Snute with Protoss, dno if this is counted like that on aligulac, I can't find it.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
June 17 2022 02:44 GMT
#18
+1 on what DarkGamer mentioned.

The first reply was eerily similar to that found commonly on a massive video game forum that starts with a "G" and ends with "FAQs"... Not the type of quality content I like to see on tl.net.

It is definitely an upset given that HeroMarine is a stellar TvP player, even if Reynor is one of the best in the world. I do not consider it one of the "greatest SC2 upsets" because Reynor is indeed one of the best, plus being a former world champion. But ultimately it is subjective. Riccardo is definitely the closest to being a SC2 equivalent of Flash from Brood War, though. I don't know if anyone else is so visible/public when it comes to offracing and winning pro matches, whether they are ESL Open Cups or not.

Fundamentally congratulations to ByuN, Clem and MaxPax on winning the respective ESL Open Cups this week. It was quite a treat watching Clem dominate while streaming on Twitch and then MaxPax claiming the best-of-five vs. ByuN.
FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
193 Posts
June 19 2022 14:35 GMT
#19
On June 15 2022 09:28 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 08:15 Drahkn wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:57 Waxangel wrote:
On June 15 2022 06:48 Drahkn wrote:
"The upset against HeroMarine, especially given the score, seems to easily qualify for the 'biggest upsets in SC2 history' list"



LMFAO It's a weekly tournament with 250$ in first place this tournament is not a big deal whatsoever. Biggest upset in sc2 history get real man


the Aligulac based methodology on the list is pretty clear if you read it

no one said it was definitive, and you should be more polite if you're going to disagree with a nice list ziggurat compiled




What? He claims it qualifies for the actual list of upsets, which it does not. You have one the most mechanically gifted player in SC2 playing off race and he manages to make 2 upsets in a trivial tournament and he makes it sound like some crazy achievement, it is not.

If I wanna express that I find overhyping things frustrating and annoying to read I'll do just that, I disagreed that's all I did if you are gonna give me warnings because you "think" I have a "bad tone" in my post that's pretty silly. If I insulted the guy personally I'd understand.

The reply is criticism which you should learn to deal with if you wanna improve as a journalist


The above list is based on Aligulac rating differential, because it's trying to find an objective criteria for the list. The 1400-ish rating gap (which probably should have been more explicit) makes it easily qualify for the many lists in the post. So this is your second post on the subject without even clicking the link to find out the context, which I find pretty concerning for a guy who has a "I'll say whatever I want, however I want attitude."

You can express an opinion or criticism in many ways; choosing to do in the the most abrasive and annoying manner possible reflects pretty poorly on you.

Also, i'm not a 'journalist,' im some guy who likes StarCraft and tries to make sure there's a reasonably pleasant environment for discussing StarCraft on a community website





Okay so mods can ban anyone they personally feel is annoying and a little to abrasive, good to know
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19086 Posts
June 19 2022 16:29 GMT
#20
Not sure how you got "you can but you'll be banned" from "you can but you'll look like an ass"
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 29m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 466
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9346
Rain 4446
Sea 2011
Snow 963
EffOrt 961
firebathero 851
Shuttle 797
actioN 484
BeSt 394
Stork 336
[ Show more ]
Zeus 164
Hyuk 163
Sharp 143
Rush 101
ggaemo 100
hero 65
Mind 64
JYJ56
Mong 49
yabsab 32
Aegong 24
Movie 21
Noble 20
zelot 19
Sacsri 16
soO 15
Terrorterran 12
sSak 10
Rock 9
SilentControl 9
Shine 8
Bale 6
Hm[arnc] 6
sas.Sziky 0
Dota 2
singsing4110
Dendi1740
Fuzer 313
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
flusha110
edward104
markeloff91
Super Smash Bros
Westballz29
Other Games
gofns18072
tarik_tv18016
B2W.Neo838
hiko490
crisheroes342
Lowko279
XaKoH 243
Happy221
OGKoka 168
oskar127
Liquid`VortiX103
QueenE75
Mew2King43
NeuroSwarm37
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler83
League of Legends
• Nemesis2608
• Jankos933
Other Games
• Shiphtur247
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 29m
OSC
9h 29m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 29m
Afreeca Starleague
19h 29m
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
2v2
20h 29m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 9h
LiuLi Cup
1d 20h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Zoun vs Classic
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Online Event
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Team Wars
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.