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The Biggest Upsets In SCII History

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-23 05:30:14
April 21 2021 06:11 GMT
#1
The Biggest Upsets In SCII History


2021/04/23: Article updated to include a breakdown of upsets by year


After the recent upset in the NeXT 2021 S1–SC2 Masters EU qualifiers, many people including myself were wondering if there had ever been a more unexpected results to any professional game of SCII. After all 2077 Aligulac rating points separated Hyperion and Reynor, and Aligulac had given Hyperion less than a quarter of a percent of a chance of winning the bo3.



The game in question


There was a pretty straightforward way of determining if this was the biggest upset ever, so I downloaded aligulac (from http://aligulac.com/about/db/. And as always thank you to all aligulac contributors and maintainers for keeping up to date such a great tool), did some querying, and here are the results. I do have to note that Aligulac ratings are fairly inflationary, so the unadjusted results will be biased towards more recent results. As such almost all of the following rating unadjusted upsets happened in LotV.

And it goes without saying that all these players getting upset are incredibly good--the only reason that it's such an upset/achievement to beat them is that they are so good.

The first thing I noticed is that a few of these 'biggest upsets' were due to progamers offracing, and should be excluded from contention. Kudos anyways to the underdogs, since these are some big upsets, but the progamers were operating under a pretty severe handicap.

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I also didn't want to include Bo1s in the final list since Bo1s are quite volatile comparatively. Here are the biggest Bo1 upsets.

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There are some interesting examples here. In the case of Ptak he played the greatest Starcraft of his life that day. He beat both GSL champions ByuN and Zest during the Nation Wars IV qualifier (beating Zest was "only" a 915 rating point upset) before barely losing to INnoVation.

In the case of Hellraiser and Spatz who beat Nerchio and Reynor respectively it can be argued that they were very underrated at the time, or that their rating was still busy catching up to their rapidly improving skill. Future similarly beat GuMiho when he was only rated 1139 for a 1322 point upset.

I also did some filtering to see if there was anything to be found from some subsets of these upsets. Here are the biggest Bo5+ upsets:

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These have comparatively smaller upsets, since there are far fewer Bo5s than Bo3s. MCanning defeating Neeb was quite notable though.

And here are the offline Bo3 upsets:

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MeomaikA beating Maru at WESG stands out as the most notable of these results.

And here are the greatest upsets of all SCII:

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As it turns out Hyperion beating Reynor is the biggest upset of all and it isn't even close. It's the only 2000 point upset with no other result coming close. Even if we include the Bo1s and the progamers offracing there isn't a result that comes within 300 points of it.

Hyperion vs Reynor had the most surprising outcome ever.




[UPDATE] Upsets adjusted for rating and broken down by year

By request I did some extra investigation into what upsets happened in the early years of SCII, and tried to account for Aligulac's rating inflation. During this extra research I found that I'd previously missed a few upsets since I'd been sorting by the difference in rating rather than the difference in per-matchup rating for the relevant rating--this didn't change any of the top upsets, but it does mean that LambNRice defeating souL slips in in 9th place for example.

As it turns out that Aligulac ratings in 2010 and 2011 are not particularly useful. Ratings simply hadn't had the time to settle, which means the biggest upsets were... rather strange.

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In 2010 all the top upsets are just good players who were drastically underrated beating MorroW who was the highest rated player in the world at the time. In 2011 all the top upsets are basically just Nerchio's worse go4sc2 defeat--back then he was rated very highly and played a ton of games against much lower rated opponents (unlike most of the other top rated players).

Things start looking much more reasonable in 2012:

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Honorable mentions to Forsen beating PuMa (882 points) and Nerchio (792 points), Ziktomini beating Stephano (799 points), and especially TriMaster beating Marineking (886 points) at MLG which I remember watching live.

In 2013:

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KingKong is a bit of a strange case where his Aligulac rating was rather inflated from playing in SEA. And the most high profile upset of 2013, Sjow vs Life had a difference of 825 rating and so misses out from the top 5 but not by a lot.

I don't have much to say about the remaining years of upsets as many of them were already featured before the update.

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Cell really impresses by having the top upset in two consecutive years.

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Spy's quite young, so maybe a player to look out for in the future?

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The question of how to best adjust the ratings to account for rating inflation was probably the most subjective part of this entire exercise. I ended up deciding to weigh by the rating of the 10th best player from the previous aligulac period. The reason I chose the 10th best player is that using the best player alone added quite a bit of volatility--whereas the 10th best player is usually not too far from the 9th and 11th best and as such a better way to measure rating inflation. I considered also weighing by the difference between the 10th best and 10th worst player since after all ratings have deflated a bit on the far end of the bell curve. In the end I didn't do that, since that turned out to inflate old results excessively. I think that's because the starting rating for a new player stays the same, so we don't want to double-count inflation. Additionally I didn't include results from 2010 and 2011, because of the issues mentioned above--ratings were a bit all over the place back then, and inflation was really crazy which makes adjusting for it even harder.

Using this I obtained this list of the "Greatest Upset of All Time (Rating Adjusted)" I do think it still might lean a bit towards recent results, but that's hard to say.


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"Hyperion vs Reynor" is still the biggest upset, but there's a decent inflation-related argument to be made for "Cell vs Maru" and "Nefaste vs Soulkey" too.
Chickener
Profile Joined October 2020
8 Posts
April 21 2021 06:27 GMT
#2
And against the world champion to boot
tcb
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
April 21 2021 07:09 GMT
#3
And Sakura2-0Dear
(Wiki)China Team Championship 2019/Regular Season
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 21 2021 07:23 GMT
#4
On April 21 2021 16:09 tcb wrote:
And Sakura2-0Dear
(Wiki)China Team Championship 2019/Regular Season


Yeah it's the 13th on the list.

In general there are a lot of upsets from non-Korean Asian players, and I'd tend to attribute that to scenes like the Chinese scene being a bit more insular than say the NA scene--having less contact with other regions increases the chances of some players ending up quite underrated.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 21 2021 07:25 GMT
#5
Wow amazing research, thanks ! The conclusion does not surprise me, a 2000 points gap is hard to beat (especially with rating inflation). Thanks again !
NimzoBoe
Profile Joined December 2018
1 Post
Last Edited: 2021-04-21 09:29:29
April 21 2021 09:29 GMT
#6
Look mom, im famous! Can confirm that my game against Hurricane was a build order win, but in my head im better than Hurricane and by extension better than everyone he ever beat. Replay here: https://drop.sc/replay/18818153
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
April 21 2021 09:55 GMT
#7
Nice post! Just the sort of statistical minutiae I love, so much of which is there to be found in Aligulac by those who care to go looking
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
chickenandbeer1234
Profile Joined April 2021
5 Posts
April 21 2021 10:09 GMT
#8
aligulac isn't a great rating system to refer. Just beating bunch of below level players everyday, you will be ranked 1-5 easily, and higher than Maru who doesn't play online much.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-21 10:20:45
April 21 2021 10:18 GMT
#9
Oh nice thanks! Really goes to show how much Reynor droped the ball on that one.

Interesting that so much of the upset seems to come from China/Taiwan.
I feel like some of the upset come partly from an underestimation of some region/player. Cell in particular stand out as someone who I would say is better than a 900 rating looking at his results.
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uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
April 21 2021 10:29 GMT
#10
Glad to be able to contribute to your research twice
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2459 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-21 11:15:06
April 21 2021 10:32 GMT
#11
Most Chinese players like Hyperion, Meomaika, TIME, Firefly did had some interesting builds to counter the higher ranked opponents.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-21 10:52:22
April 21 2021 10:52 GMT
#12
On April 21 2021 19:32 swarminfestor wrote:
Most Chinese players like Hyperion, Meomaika, TIME, Firefly did has some interesting builds to counter the higher ranked opponents.

Meomaika aint Chineae.

As per the thread. Some classic upset that i've watched was sjow vs life
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
April 21 2021 10:53 GMT
#13
Absolutly great research.

I m not sure if it s possible, but here is my idear to make a Inflation adjustmeant.
Dividenden the point difference by the highest (or average top 5/ top 10) points.
So you could compare a 2000 points upset today with a 1400 upset like 8 years ago, when no one has above 2k rating.
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 21 2021 11:37 GMT
#14
On April 21 2021 19:32 swarminfestor wrote:
Most Chinese players like Hyperion, Meomaika, TIME, Firefly did had some interesting builds to counter the higher ranked opponents.

Meomaika won because Maru gonna Maru
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
604 Posts
April 21 2021 11:48 GMT
#15
Grimzzy at -127 rating beating Mix was one of the greatest moments in UK sc2 history
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 21 2021 11:54 GMT
#16
On April 21 2021 19:53 dbRic1203 wrote:
Absolutly great research.

I m not sure if it s possible, but here is my idear to make a Inflation adjustmeant.
Dividenden the point difference by the highest (or average top 5/ top 10) points.
So you could compare a 2000 points upset today with a 1400 upset like 8 years ago, when no one has above 2k rating.


Yes, I agree that the inevitable inflation in Aligulac ratings should be factored in.
Also, I think that adding the rank of the players at the time at the upset would be helpful.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-21 15:14:58
April 21 2021 15:09 GMT
#17
On April 21 2021 19:53 dbRic1203 wrote:
Absolutly great research.

I m not sure if it s possible, but here is my idear to make a Inflation adjustmeant.
Dividenden the point difference by the highest (or average top 5/ top 10) points.
So you could compare a 2000 points upset today with a 1400 upset like 8 years ago, when no one has above 2k rating.


Hmm... Making some sort of inflation adjustment is certainly possible, it's not too straightforward though. Since the worst players nowadays also have lower ratings than they did back in the day--the spread of ratings outwards also depends on the number of games being played and players in the pool which isn't constant.

I'll try to come up with something (at the very least I could get the top upsets by year). Maybe I can get the count of the players in each period and see what the biggest percentile gap is? Not sure, I'll have to try later.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 21 2021 15:17 GMT
#18
I find that topic very interesting, and maybe you could readily answer the following question with the (amazing) spreadsheet work already done : which mus are the most prone to see upsets happen ? I don't know the races of every player on those lists, so I'd like to know if you could come up with something about that question.
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
April 21 2021 15:32 GMT
#19
I played against meomaika a few times. he plays a really tricky / gimmicky style, not really that surprised he took games off maru
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 21 2021 15:46 GMT
#20
On April 22 2021 00:32 Obamarauder wrote:
I played against meomaika a few times. he plays a really tricky / gimmicky style, not really that surprised he took games off maru

If you find those matches the 2nd map was Maru's fault though. he defended the trickery and then he outplayed himself First game was a direct loss.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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