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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
In BW the area with cover is only a little bigger then the inpassable area. So does cover outweigh the disadvantage of breaking up the formations. AFAIK is the reason we see so lttle doodad on battlefields. I think the room a coverdoodad takes up at its base should be a 1X1 area or make it completely passable to make it an actual tactical element rather then just an ornamentation. Discuss edit 70% hitchange not mischange. Poor formulaion | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 05 2007 03:55 KaasZerg wrote: In starcraft BW trees and other sprite doodads give a 70% misschance when shot at. Discuss OrlY ????? LOL i didnt know it. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
Terrain height differences are the useful "cover" and that's what SC2 expands upon. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On September 05 2007 04:11 lololol wrote: Cover is useless in SC, it's too small to matter, when you're dealing with large armies, which often move back and forth, e.t.c. Terrain height differences are the useful "cover" and that's what SC2 expands upon. So you're saying the lesson is, make cover less of a gimmick in sc2? I like this thinking. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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New Zealand6138 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On September 05 2007 03:55 KaasZerg wrote: In starcraft BW trees and other sprite doodads give a 70% misschance when shot at. Discuss Really? I thought it was a 30% miss chance, 70% hit chance. Same goes for up cliffs. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
I use trees and cliffs a lot in melee and UMS... | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
On September 05 2007 05:46 CharlieMurphy wrote: yea its 30% miss for cliff or doodad. Also its like .0001% chance to just miss in general without any cover at all (probably some programming glitch). I use trees and cliffs a lot in melee and UMS... Your right. | ||
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ImgGartok
United States216 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
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Tiptup
United States133 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On September 05 2007 06:58 minus_human wrote: How the fuck is this possible in a 3D game? "Behind the tree" is only behind the tree from the viewer's perspective. I'm really curious if such a thing (70% hitchance or w/e) is possible, and how much of a pain will it cost to implement? Look at company of heroes, they did a pretty advanced coversystem with just a lot of algorithms. Many people are tricked and think the shots have real traveling paths but in reality its just a % to hit and if it rolls a hit the shot always hits even if it have to go through a wall, or cannon shots homing unto infantry etc. So its not hard at all with modern game engines, eventhough it would just make melee units stronger in forests since the ranged units would just have the same miss out as others have in on them. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
I hope they have good covers in SC2, and that map makers utilize them. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On September 05 2007 08:33 Klockan3 wrote: Look at company of heroes, they did a pretty advanced coversystem with just a lot of algorithms. Many people are tricked and think the shots have real traveling paths but in reality its just a % to hit and if it rolls a hit the shot always hits even if it have to go through a wall, or cannon shots homing unto infantry etc. So its not hard at all with modern game engines, eventhough it would just make melee units stronger in forests since the ranged units would just have the same miss out as others have in on them. What if units that fired projectiles in a parabolic arc didn't get a penalty for being behind cover? Actually, the only unit that I can think of that does this is the Siege Tank. Well, you could also make it so the unit that is close to the 'cover' does not receive a %hit penalty. | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6766 Posts
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oshibori_probe
United States2932 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
And as someone already mentioned, SC2 is 3D, hard to implement a tree concept into a 3D game. | ||
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XCetron
5225 Posts
On September 06 2007 09:20 Cambium wrote: Reminds me of TMA, when Trees are really useful. I don't think they matter that much in a real game. Unless the pro-map team starts to make maps full of trees (sounds like an interesting idea actually)... And as someone already mentioned, SC2 is 3D, hard to implement a tree concept into a 3D game. can just make it (if A unit attacks B unit and X is between them, increase chances of missing) where X is a doodad. I'm not a programmer so that might be hard, idk. | ||
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Ziel
Malaysia241 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On September 06 2007 09:23 XCetron wrote: can just make it (if A unit attacks B unit and X is between them, increase chances of missing) where X is a doodad. I'm not a programmer so that might be hard, idk. Yea that makes sense... I was just thinking about how the "height" element could be incorporated.. A lot of physics probably | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
Cover in SC2: ![[image loading]](http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/810/810339/starcraft-ii-20070803063403082.jpg) | ||
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sc2rocks
Singapore79 Posts
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XCetron
5225 Posts
On September 07 2007 11:21 sc2rocks wrote: It's good for hiding burrowed ultralisks. lol burrowed ultra would be so imba. *rines formation moving by* arggblablgablablalba *ultras unburrow* scariest thing ever | ||
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