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Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland104 Posts
February 08 2022 18:09 GMT
#81
They are basically asking for help in handing visa to Chinese athletes. Explaining that IEM is an important global and well respected event and that not giving them visas might feel like excluding Chinese athletes from a potential world champion title.

All written in a professional manner.
Team Liquid
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
February 09 2022 03:04 GMT
#82
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 09 2022 06:31 GMT
#83
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
MaxPax
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom929 Posts
February 09 2022 10:25 GMT
#84
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-09 11:23:38
February 09 2022 11:23 GMT
#85
On February 09 2022 19:25 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.


Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-09 12:28:07
February 09 2022 12:27 GMT
#86
On February 09 2022 20:23 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 19:25 MJG wrote:
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.


Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.

I would expect, that they would Play in NA West and Central, if that was the case.
The Time/ Cyan situation just sucks

Still MJG has a point, it s not realy the same situation with MaxPax
MaxPax
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 09 2022 12:30 GMT
#87
These players require a Schengen visa, therefore they can apply for a visa in any Schengen state and participate in the tournament if they recieve it.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
February 09 2022 14:09 GMT
#88
On February 09 2022 21:30 Kafka777 wrote:
These players require a Schengen visa, therefore they can apply for a visa in any Schengen state and participate in the tournament if they recieve it.

I just want to point out that the user Kafka is trying to help with the trial of getting papers. It is an arduous process of kafkainian proportions.
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
February 09 2022 16:24 GMT
#89
What doesn't help is the paperwork being processed while the Winter Olympic Games still ongoing, and a video game event is not likely a priority right now (I'm reading news of hilarious paperwork, rona tests or else, fails during that event)
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 09 2022 23:24 GMT
#90
You are absolutly right. The problem here is that some clerk decides what is essential or non essential travel. Since this is a unified system it is difficult to overturn such a decision even though options seem to be abundant. Lets hope the leter from esl helps.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
February 11 2022 13:17 GMT
#91
I dont think an event held in China has much impact on ammount of red tape in visa processing in Poland. We also dont know why the application was rejected. Its just speculation right now.
Pathetic Greta hater.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
February 11 2022 13:28 GMT
#92
Looking at the liquipedia pages for major tournaments you see visas being rejected, having expired, being forgotten and similar all the time. Still sucks for Time and Cyan, whatever the reasons. Bureaucracy doesn't always even need a reason.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3347 Posts
February 11 2022 17:14 GMT
#93
Btw, KR just got hit with another Covid outbreak, with around 50k new case per day, mostly Omicron though. Not sure if that would impact on the traveling plan of the players, but this is not a great new for the tournament.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-11 18:44:11
February 11 2022 18:43 GMT
#94
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.


After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-11 19:03:29
February 11 2022 18:54 GMT
#95
On February 12 2022 03:43 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.


After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...


This kind of comment always appear when somebody acts against their expectations. Forgetting by the way there's individuals and not drones. He does what he wants, not what Mariano wants.

And even if he could qualify as a jerk, compared to other active players he wouldn't be the worst of the lot. Interesting to see that, on the other hand, Nerchio throwing the usual lazy anti-Protoss ball doesn't draw that kind of comments.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 13 2022 01:25 GMT
#96
The reason for rejecting the visa is clear. Non essential travel from China to EU is banned at the moment. Its a matter of clerical judgement what is essential or not.
datastuff
Profile Joined September 2020
31 Posts
February 15 2022 06:46 GMT
#97
https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/2022/02/iem-katowice-sc2-player-replacement-info/
Armani got replaced by Ryung and details about the replacement process.

签证通过了,但是不知道17号能不能拿到,如果17号拿不到esl会算我弃权,如果能拿到,18号下午飞上海,凌晨会从上海飞往波兰参加此次iem katowice

https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-308485.htm
TIME's visa got granted but he doesn't know if he'll receive by the 17th which is the esl deadline.

首先好消息是签证中心收了文件。

坏消息就是这边审核比较严格,首先成都使馆和北京使馆不是一个部门 ,这边签证中心没有收到使馆新的通知 说我要办理文体签

他们收到的还是之前的通知是我要办商务签,所以在这方面他们重新和使馆沟通了很久。

然后是资料问题,我们都忙于回程机票等等杂七杂八的事情,忘记了另一个重要的资料 28号之后到回程航班期间的额外住宿预定单,现场仓促又无法提供

第二就是没有工作证明 这东西我们开不出来也不能造假 所以就空着 。但是理论上是不能没有的,“星际争霸职业选手”也不是一个有确切证明和依据的“职业” 。只靠银行流水是不够的。

第三就是esl草台班子在新的邀请函上 活动时间写错了 不知道是印刷问题还是粗心 比赛时间应该是21-28他写成了21-23,我们自己大意了也没仔细检查,签证中心发现了这个问题……好在之前的原件帮大忙

总而言之,签证中心就这些问题和使馆沟通,按照规则资料不齐全是不可以收的,但是特殊情况他们允许我出具一封正式的解释信,来说明这些问题。这个时间点esl的人没有上班,时间又很紧,我只好死马当活马医自己写然后付费翻译 拼一枪了。

另外因为最近回山西照顾病重的姥姥姥爷,电脑也带回去了没法在成都练习,所以只能选择邮寄 希望来得及吧。 gggl

https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-308518-1.htm
Cyan still isn't sure, the visa centre has received the necessary documents but there were couple issues so he was allowed to submit a formal letter of explanation (not sure about translation) to explain them. All we can do now is hope he gets approved.
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-15 08:01:03
February 15 2022 07:50 GMT
#98
https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/2022/02/iem-katowice-sc2-player-replacement-info/

Here is the replacement info just released by ESL.

TLDR:
Armani can't go to IEM, his spot was replaced by Ryung. Classic was supposed to be the replacement but he does not have a passport ready (probably did not make one after his military service and not enough time to make a new one within such short notice) so Ryung got the spot instead.

TIME and Cyan are still waiting for the visa application result. If Time fail to get his visa, Ro36 will generate an additional spot into Ro24. If Cyan fail to get his visa, his spot will be replaced by uThermal.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-15 07:52:18
February 15 2022 07:51 GMT
#99
So Classic also forfeited? I thought he was ahead of Ryung in Ept ranking.
Edit: nvm i just saw the explanation, moving on.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 15 2022 10:15 GMT
#100
Did Armani give any reason why he forfeit?
MaxPax
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