• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:43
CET 22:43
KST 06:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1242 users

IEM Katowice 2022 player list (MaxPax & MlorD out, Zest in…

Forum Index > SC2 General
108 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-19 17:45:09
January 19 2022 17:41 GMT
#41
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Lol I wanted to write first player in any 1v1 game, but Shadow verse (thanks weebs, including me :p) ruined it.

Also I know a lot of them have surpassed one millions in actual earnings, but now one of those four if he wins can pull up his phone and go to esportsearnings and be like "yeah that's right, I made a million bucks playing StarCraft."
very illegal and very uncool
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
January 19 2022 17:45 GMT
#42
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada81 Posts
January 19 2022 21:44 GMT
#43
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain881 Posts
January 19 2022 22:29 GMT
#44
I am going to miss MaxPax games for sure. On the other hand, the smiling assassin is a nice Protoss replacement.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
January 20 2022 01:37 GMT
#45
On January 20 2022 02:45 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.


esportsearnings splits teamleague prizes equally among all players of the roster at the time
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
532 Posts
January 20 2022 06:28 GMT
#46
Interestet to see if Percival can go for a bit of a run. Would be nice to have some new koreans making a splash.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 20 2022 08:00 GMT
#47
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.
MaxPax
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 08:32:00
January 20 2022 08:30 GMT
#48
On January 20 2022 17:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.


People needing to rationalize on their own way and unable/unwilling to accept he has his own privacy. But it's always funny to see that kind of speculations.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
January 20 2022 09:33 GMT
#49
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:09:13
January 20 2022 10:06 GMT
#50
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
January 20 2022 10:12 GMT
#51
On January 20 2022 19:06 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.

without fans there would be no esports scene, no wages and no prize money. Even if he doesn't get the money directly from the fans, the players are still reliant on fans existing for them to earn any money from the game
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:53:14
January 20 2022 10:48 GMT
#52
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.


In the coaching video he did with Harstem, it was apparent that MaxPax was a little confused on how to handle social conversations.

Now that's probably not super uncommon for a lot of 17-year olds who spents the majority of the time in their own room gaming. However, the thing that seemed unusual to me was that he didn't seem to understand the concept of "trash talking". Not in the sense that it was BM to trash talk but rather just seemed genuinely confused as to why Harstem joked about doing that.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1247 Posts
January 20 2022 18:28 GMT
#53
Kinda sad that the entire "race for Kattowice" was basically useless in the end, but whatever.
Really bad for MaxPax if he really has social anxiety or anything else. Reminds me of Satiini in WC3. Great player, but if I remember correctly he was afraid of flying and couldn't attend most events, right?

I assumed MlorD would drop out, especially with N4C qualifiers being in that time-frame. I guess he has a good shot not only to qualify, but actually win N4C for some big money. Much better chances than in Poland.

"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
January 20 2022 22:57 GMT
#54
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
January 21 2022 07:49 GMT
#55
I hope MaxPax feels comfortable to show himself on stream and at events at some point in the future. Doing audio interviews and coachings are great first steps. He is such a great player and the most interesting character in the scene for me right now.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 21 2022 08:33 GMT
#56
On January 21 2022 07:57 Mizenhauer wrote:
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.

If only we had journalist who would asked the question in the interview. One can hope
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
194 Posts
January 21 2022 10:02 GMT
#57
Protoss doing really well xD
YuMi
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel26 Posts
January 27 2022 12:22 GMT
#58
that's why non of the above are going to take this one.
i put my money on Zest, Hero or Reynor back to back
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
January 27 2022 19:18 GMT
#59
Perhaps there’s something in the MaxPax is AlphaStar unleashed rumours

Pity he won’t play though, interesting player to watch. Pretty pumped herO made it in
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Abadok
Profile Joined February 2022
Bulgaria2 Posts
February 05 2022 06:27 GMT
#60
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
For Aiur!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 11h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 453
JuggernautJason154
ProTech132
Nathanias 83
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18437
Shuttle 247
Hyun 105
NaDa 8
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 545
Counter-Strike
fl0m1255
byalli935
Other Games
tarik_tv5021
Grubby4652
FrodaN1969
Beastyqt783
ceh9449
XaKoH 110
Mew2King108
Chillindude58
ZombieGrub41
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 73
• mYiSmile111
• davetesta10
• Adnapsc2 7
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 40
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1699
League of Legends
• Doublelift2329
Other Games
• imaqtpie2540
• Shiphtur284
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 17m
WardiTV Invitational
14h 17m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
1d 19h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-22
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.