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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-19 17:45:09
January 19 2022 17:41 GMT
#41
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Lol I wanted to write first player in any 1v1 game, but Shadow verse (thanks weebs, including me :p) ruined it.

Also I know a lot of them have surpassed one millions in actual earnings, but now one of those four if he wins can pull up his phone and go to esportsearnings and be like "yeah that's right, I made a million bucks playing StarCraft."
very illegal and very uncool
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3410 Posts
January 19 2022 17:45 GMT
#42
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada78 Posts
January 19 2022 21:44 GMT
#43
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain880 Posts
January 19 2022 22:29 GMT
#44
I am going to miss MaxPax games for sure. On the other hand, the smiling assassin is a nice Protoss replacement.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
January 20 2022 01:37 GMT
#45
On January 20 2022 02:45 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.


esportsearnings splits teamleague prizes equally among all players of the roster at the time
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HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
531 Posts
January 20 2022 06:28 GMT
#46
Interestet to see if Percival can go for a bit of a run. Would be nice to have some new koreans making a splash.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 20 2022 08:00 GMT
#47
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.
MaxPax
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 08:32:00
January 20 2022 08:30 GMT
#48
On January 20 2022 17:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.


People needing to rationalize on their own way and unable/unwilling to accept he has his own privacy. But it's always funny to see that kind of speculations.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
January 20 2022 09:33 GMT
#49
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:09:13
January 20 2022 10:06 GMT
#50
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
January 20 2022 10:12 GMT
#51
On January 20 2022 19:06 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.

without fans there would be no esports scene, no wages and no prize money. Even if he doesn't get the money directly from the fans, the players are still reliant on fans existing for them to earn any money from the game
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9396 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:53:14
January 20 2022 10:48 GMT
#52
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.


In the coaching video he did with Harstem, it was apparent that MaxPax was a little confused on how to handle social conversations.

Now that's probably not super uncommon for a lot of 17-year olds who spents the majority of the time in their own room gaming. However, the thing that seemed unusual to me was that he didn't seem to understand the concept of "trash talking". Not in the sense that it was BM to trash talk but rather just seemed genuinely confused as to why Harstem joked about doing that.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1200 Posts
January 20 2022 18:28 GMT
#53
Kinda sad that the entire "race for Kattowice" was basically useless in the end, but whatever.
Really bad for MaxPax if he really has social anxiety or anything else. Reminds me of Satiini in WC3. Great player, but if I remember correctly he was afraid of flying and couldn't attend most events, right?

I assumed MlorD would drop out, especially with N4C qualifiers being in that time-frame. I guess he has a good shot not only to qualify, but actually win N4C for some big money. Much better chances than in Poland.

"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1886 Posts
January 20 2022 22:57 GMT
#54
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
January 21 2022 07:49 GMT
#55
I hope MaxPax feels comfortable to show himself on stream and at events at some point in the future. Doing audio interviews and coachings are great first steps. He is such a great player and the most interesting character in the scene for me right now.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 21 2022 08:33 GMT
#56
On January 21 2022 07:57 Mizenhauer wrote:
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.

If only we had journalist who would asked the question in the interview. One can hope
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Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
193 Posts
January 21 2022 10:02 GMT
#57
Protoss doing really well xD
YuMi
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel26 Posts
January 27 2022 12:22 GMT
#58
that's why non of the above are going to take this one.
i put my money on Zest, Hero or Reynor back to back
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25644 Posts
January 27 2022 19:18 GMT
#59
Perhaps there’s something in the MaxPax is AlphaStar unleashed rumours

Pity he won’t play though, interesting player to watch. Pretty pumped herO made it in
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Abadok
Profile Joined February 2022
Bulgaria2 Posts
February 05 2022 06:27 GMT
#60
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
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