The player line-up for IEM Katowice 2022 have been announced. Notably, #5 European player MaxPax and #9 MarineLorD have declined their spots in the competition. As a result, #7 Lambo moves up into the RO24 group stage, while #10 SKillous and #11 Spirit receive spots in the RO36 play-in stage.
In Korea, #20 Hurricane and #22 KeeN have declined their spots, which allows #23 herO to compete in the RO36 play-in stage. #6 Zest, whose participation has been questionable for months, is included in the official list of RO24 players. In his most recent interview at DHM: Last Chance, Zest said he was still not entirely certain about his ability to participate due to military service.
Maxpax not going is a bummer whatever his reasons are. If it really is a privacy thing I bet it adds to his anxiety or whatever reason he has for not "revealing" himself that people are so hyped up to see what he looks like. Reminds me a bit of the shirtless Rotti thing which was done in good fun but I'm sure it's a little unnerving to have a whole internet community champing at the bit for something like that.
TKL from O’Gaming said yesterday during open cup cast that MaxPax wouldn’t go to Katowice to stay anonymous ; and apparently it was also said by Mlord dunno when.
maxpax probably has some sort of social anxiety issues. always had that as well but it extended to phone calls, possible team speak/ skype things etc. part of the reason i never really tried to get better at starcraft :D
MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)
On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote: Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.
Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$.. He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week. I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..
On January 19 2022 05:35 dbRic1203 wrote: MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)
On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote: Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.
Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$.. He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week. I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..
MaxPax would've been guaranteed $2000 for a ro24 spot, so the money is definitely worth it (especially because he's in Denmark)
On January 19 2022 05:35 dbRic1203 wrote: MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)
On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote: Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.
Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$.. He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week. I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..
MaxPax would've been guaranteed $2000 for a ro24 spot, so the money is definitely worth it (especially because he's in Denmark)
He was talking about KeeN I think.
Does it mean that MLord is officialy an AoEIV player from now on?
Crazy to decline a chance to win $170k over something like privacy concerns or really any personal reasons. While I wouldn't give Maxpax a particularly high chance of winning it definitely wouldn't be 0% either. Even if he just made it out of his group he'd win 10k+. I wonder if his family is extremely rich. There's potential life changing money on the line for the vast majority of people in the world.
The twitch meme about MP secretly being royalty is starting to make a lot of sense: doesn't care about money but needs privacy?
In all seriousness, maybe he'll retire before we find out who he is. That would be an interesting arc, but probably an understandable one, however disappointing
I'm honestly feeling kind of sad for MaxPax, I get the stress of showing your face after so many people talked about you and/or not wanting to be on the internet. But man, you gotta have some pride in what you do, calling it quit to stay private when you have a shot a being the world champion and live changing money is a hard pill to swallow.
With that said, hopefully he rip that band-aid off at some point The Starcraft 2 scene would be dearly missing if every weird loner would have stayed at home. (And I say that dearly as a fellow weird loner) (And if you readying, no one seriously care about what you look like Max Pax, like not at all)
On the plus side, Zest is best and will live forever!
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
Hype, hype, hype!! Super excited to see what an offline SC2 premier tournament is like since end of 2019 where Dark and Reynor faced each other in Blizzcon. Didn't watch IEM Katowice 2020. The previous time was when Stephano won an MLG back in 2011 or 2012 I think.
Also giving the benefit of the doubt to MaxyPaxy for trying not to catch covid, but I guess he's still kind of shy on showing his face. Hopefully he can be bold and come at his own pace and comfort. We would love to support him more often and compete at a high level.
Really cool that Zest can stay around the scene for a little bit longer. It's going to be a great competition overall.
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
LOL shadowverse gives out over $1m USD to first place for the world championship? that's sick
Also it's not productive to speculate about why anyone isn't participating. They don't owe it to anyone to compete for their entertainment.
On January 19 2022 06:55 Nakajin wrote: I'm honestly feeling kind of sad for MaxPax, I get the stress of showing your face after so many people talked about you and/or not wanting to be on the internet. But man, you gotta have some pride in what you do, calling it quit to stay private when you have a shot a being the world champion and live changing money is a hard pill to swallow.
With that said, hopefully he rip that band-aid off at some point The Starcraft 2 scene would be dearly missing if every weird loner would have stayed at home. (And I say that dearly as a fellow weird loner) (And if you readying, no one seriously care about what you look like Max Pax, like not at all)
On the plus side, Zest is best and will live forever!
Sad for MaxPax, not just in this IEM but what about the coming season where offline events are coming back? ESL really should think of a way to make it work for him. Also, hell yeah we got both Zest and herO playing.
On January 19 2022 17:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote: competitive video game player rejects huge opportunity for money and glory.. because he doesn't want to show his face???
just have a balaklava + shades and a cap on then but play the tournament! bizarre..
but at least Spirit is in thanks to that, so.. cool I guess.
It's probably more a matter of social anxiety than the face's reveal itself - hood and shades would only bring more attention in a sense. Still, that's a quite sad turn of event, makes you wonder what Maxpax's plans are for the coming months with - hopefully - more and more events getting back offline.
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
LOL shadowverse gives out over $1m USD to first place for the world championship? that's sick
Also it's not productive to speculate about why anyone isn't participating. They don't owe it to anyone to compete for their entertainment.
He doesn't owe me anything, but I'm a big enough fan that I want what's best for him. He seriously has such high potential, I sure hope he will overcome this hurdle
As Wax said, it doesn't HELP to speculate....but as a huge MaxPax fanboy I just can't help but feel so sad that he won't get a chance to shine on the biggest and brightest stage. I really believe in his potential. With a good bracket, round of 8 is conceivable and I want him to show the world what he's capable of.
I totally respect his wishes. but selflishly FeelsBadMan
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
That's a very specific milestone
Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money. When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
That's a very specific milestone
Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money. When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million
Lol I wanted to write first player in any 1v1 game, but Shadow verse (thanks weebs, including me :p) ruined it.
Also I know a lot of them have surpassed one millions in actual earnings, but now one of those four if he wins can pull up his phone and go to esportsearnings and be like "yeah that's right, I made a million bucks playing StarCraft."
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
That's a very specific milestone
Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money. When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million
Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote: This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
That's a very specific milestone
Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money. When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million
Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.
esportsearnings splits teamleague prizes equally among all players of the roster at the time
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote: My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?
A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?) It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax. Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions. He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote: My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?
A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?) It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax. Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions. He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.
People needing to rationalize on their own way and unable/unwilling to accept he has his own privacy. But it's always funny to see that kind of speculations.
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend. Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote: Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend. Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.
Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money
PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.
So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote: Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend. Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.
Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money
PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.
So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.
without fans there would be no esports scene, no wages and no prize money. Even if he doesn't get the money directly from the fans, the players are still reliant on fans existing for them to earn any money from the game
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote: My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
In the coaching video he did with Harstem, it was apparent that MaxPax was a little confused on how to handle social conversations.
Now that's probably not super uncommon for a lot of 17-year olds who spents the majority of the time in their own room gaming. However, the thing that seemed unusual to me was that he didn't seem to understand the concept of "trash talking". Not in the sense that it was BM to trash talk but rather just seemed genuinely confused as to why Harstem joked about doing that.
Kinda sad that the entire "race for Kattowice" was basically useless in the end, but whatever. Really bad for MaxPax if he really has social anxiety or anything else. Reminds me of Satiini in WC3. Great player, but if I remember correctly he was afraid of flying and couldn't attend most events, right?
I assumed MlorD would drop out, especially with N4C qualifiers being in that time-frame. I guess he has a good shot not only to qualify, but actually win N4C for some big money. Much better chances than in Poland.
I hope MaxPax feels comfortable to show himself on stream and at events at some point in the future. Doing audio interviews and coachings are great first steps. He is such a great player and the most interesting character in the scene for me right now.
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
On February 05 2022 15:27 Abadok wrote: Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
No Rogue?
But I wont bet against herO. He may be the first one from ro36 group to survive until the playoff stage since IEM Katowice 2021.
On February 05 2022 15:27 Abadok wrote: Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
lulz, offline Maru on a different continent and vastly different timezone xD
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following: the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)
(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote: I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.
You're talking about a minor here. Have some empathy please.
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following: the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)
(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following: the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)
(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?
This is not the first time TIME got rejected for his Poland visa. Back in 2020, TIME was also got rejected for his visa application. Pretty sure there are other Russian who has to forfeit his IEM Ro76 spot few years ago.
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following: the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)
(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?
It was the same at Kato 2020, Time and Cyan withdrew, it's a shame that they don't let them play from home, although I get why There were also some Korean that got denied from time to time back in the day I think.
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote: TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following: the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)
(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?
It was the same at Kato 2020, Time and Cyan withdrew, it's a shame that they don't let them play from home, although I get why There were also some Korean that got denied from time to time back in the day I think.
Due to outbreak of Covid in China
Maybe it has to do with the vaccination they received not being recognized in EU
Right now the Chinese players managed to get in contact with ESL's CEO and ESL have sent a letter to Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affair. Hopefully this could help the Chinese players to resolve their visa issue.
On February 09 2022 00:24 lamandy93 wrote: Right now the Chinese players managed to get in contact with ESL's CEO and ESL have sent a letter to Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affair. Hopefully this could help the Chinese players to resolve their visa issue.
They are basically asking for help in handing visa to Chinese athletes. Explaining that IEM is an important global and well respected event and that not giving them visas might feel like excluding Chinese athletes from a potential world champion title.
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote: Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players. They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either. Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways. Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote: Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players. They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either. Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways. Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.
That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote: Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players. They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either. Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways. Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.
That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.
Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote: Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players. They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either. Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways. Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.
That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.
Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.
I would expect, that they would Play in NA West and Central, if that was the case. The Time/ Cyan situation just sucks
Still MJG has a point, it s not realy the same situation with MaxPax
On February 09 2022 21:30 Kafka777 wrote: These players require a Schengen visa, therefore they can apply for a visa in any Schengen state and participate in the tournament if they recieve it.
I just want to point out that the user Kafka is trying to help with the trial of getting papers. It is an arduous process of kafkainian proportions.
What doesn't help is the paperwork being processed while the Winter Olympic Games still ongoing, and a video game event is not likely a priority right now (I'm reading news of hilarious paperwork, rona tests or else, fails during that event)
You are absolutly right. The problem here is that some clerk decides what is essential or non essential travel. Since this is a unified system it is difficult to overturn such a decision even though options seem to be abundant. Lets hope the leter from esl helps.
I dont think an event held in China has much impact on ammount of red tape in visa processing in Poland. We also dont know why the application was rejected. Its just speculation right now.
Looking at the liquipedia pages for major tournaments you see visas being rejected, having expired, being forgotten and similar all the time. Still sucks for Time and Cyan, whatever the reasons. Bureaucracy doesn't always even need a reason.
Btw, KR just got hit with another Covid outbreak, with around 50k new case per day, mostly Omicron though. Not sure if that would impact on the traveling plan of the players, but this is not a great new for the tournament.
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote: I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.
After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote: I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.
After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...
This kind of comment always appear when somebody acts against their expectations. Forgetting by the way there's individuals and not drones. He does what he wants, not what Mariano wants.
And even if he could qualify as a jerk, compared to other active players he wouldn't be the worst of the lot. Interesting to see that, on the other hand, Nerchio throwing the usual lazy anti-Protoss ball doesn't draw that kind of comments.
The reason for rejecting the visa is clear. Non essential travel from China to EU is banned at the moment. Its a matter of clerical judgement what is essential or not.
https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-308518-1.htm Cyan still isn't sure, the visa centre has received the necessary documents but there were couple issues so he was allowed to submit a formal letter of explanation (not sure about translation) to explain them. All we can do now is hope he gets approved.
Here is the replacement info just released by ESL.
TLDR: Armani can't go to IEM, his spot was replaced by Ryung. Classic was supposed to be the replacement but he does not have a passport ready (probably did not make one after his military service and not enough time to make a new one within such short notice) so Ryung got the spot instead.
TIME and Cyan are still waiting for the visa application result. If Time fail to get his visa, Ro36 will generate an additional spot into Ro24. If Cyan fail to get his visa, his spot will be replaced by uThermal.
On February 16 2022 01:26 M3t4PhYzX wrote: what a mess..
What worse is that, with the KR covid outbreak over the last week, if players caught Covid before or during the travel, they have to forfeit according to the current rulebook, because you cant play from isolation.
On February 17 2022 18:52 Schelim wrote: i love Ryung, but i'd still like to know why Armani had to drop out :/
great news about Time and Cyan though
Iirc I read somewhere that it was covid related? Pretty unfortunate if that's the case. Since there is an outbreak in Korea, I hope the KR players are being really careful atm to be able to participate
On February 17 2022 18:52 Schelim wrote: i love Ryung, but i'd still like to know why Armani had to drop out :/
great news about Time and Cyan though
Armani just posted on his twitter explaining why he had to drop out. (In Korean though)
Using google translate, here is what we get: The reason I didn't go to IEM Katowice this time wasn't because I didn't get a vaccine or to retire or something like that, but they said that Omicron is very serious overseas. In fact, recently, there was also a brother around me who went abroad and suffered from Omicron, and of course IEM persuaded me to proceed as safely as possible.
My mother's opposition was so strong that I had to abstain. As a gamer, it's a pity that I can't participate in the most important tournament of the year, but I'll take a good rest and prepare well for GSL. Some gamer colleagues also contacted me, and I think there are people who are curious, so I am writing this.
Sorry but MaxPax willing declining 2k + potential 10k+ ? Prove that he is a cheater, can only win online.. yeah a lot of fanboys will disagree, but a person who can only shine online cant be trusted. He should at least 1 time prove his skill in an offline event.