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IEM Katowice 2022 player list (MaxPax & MlorD out, Zest in)

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 20:10:46
January 18 2022 19:09 GMT
#1
The player line-up for IEM Katowice 2022 have been announced. Notably, #5 European player MaxPax and #9 MarineLorD have declined their spots in the competition. As a result, #7 Lambo moves up into the RO24 group stage, while #10 SKillous and #11 Spirit receive spots in the RO36 play-in stage.

In Korea, #20 Hurricane and #22 KeeN have declined their spots, which allows #23 herO to compete in the RO36 play-in stage. #6 Zest, whose participation has been questionable for months, is included in the official list of RO24 players. In his most recent interview at DHM: Last Chance, Zest said he was still not entirely certain about his ability to participate due to military service.

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 19:52:22
January 18 2022 19:10 GMT
#2
Wow the rumors about MaxPare were true! Awesome to see Zest in (poor DRG it means ro36 right?), too bad to have Mlord and MaxPax out
WriterMaru
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 19:23:31
January 18 2022 19:20 GMT
#3
Wow the rumors about MaxPare true!

What rumors?

So happy for protoss hope Zest
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1770 Posts
January 18 2022 19:25 GMT
#4
On January 19 2022 04:20 TheWildShooter wrote:
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Wow the rumors about MaxPare true!

What rumors?

So happy for protoss hope Zest

He doesn't want to show his face so won't show up to lan
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden705 Posts
January 18 2022 19:26 GMT
#5
Sad about Maxpax

Happy about Zest though
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 19:32:35
January 18 2022 19:32 GMT
#6
My theory that MaxPax is secretly Idra continues to go uncontested
Cereal
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
January 18 2022 19:43 GMT
#7
Maxpax not going is a bummer whatever his reasons are. If it really is a privacy thing I bet it adds to his anxiety or whatever reason he has for not "revealing" himself that people are so hyped up to see what he looks like. Reminds me a bit of the shirtless Rotti thing which was done in good fun but I'm sure it's a little unnerving to have a whole internet community champing at the bit for something like that.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
January 18 2022 19:54 GMT
#8
On January 19 2022 04:20 TheWildShooter wrote:
Show nested quote +
Wow the rumors about MaxPare true!

What rumors?

So happy for protoss hope Zest

TKL from O’Gaming said yesterday during open cup cast that MaxPax wouldn’t go to Katowice to stay anonymous ; and apparently it was also said by Mlord dunno when.
WriterMaru
samAel1
Profile Joined October 2019
Poland26 Posts
January 18 2022 20:11 GMT
#9
Well done herO! gogo!
samÆl
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 18 2022 20:12 GMT
#10
maxpax probably has some sort of social anxiety issues.
always had that as well but it extended to phone calls, possible team speak/ skype things etc.
part of the reason i never really tried to get better at starcraft :D

i feel for maxpax but totally understand him
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1201 Posts
January 18 2022 20:34 GMT
#11
Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 20:39:29
January 18 2022 20:35 GMT
#12
MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected
He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)

On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote:
Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.

Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$..
He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week.
I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..
MaxPax
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
January 18 2022 20:41 GMT
#13
we now just need groups to be announced
uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
January 18 2022 20:59 GMT
#14
On January 19 2022 05:35 dbRic1203 wrote:
MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected
He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)

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On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote:
Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.

Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$..
He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week.
I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..

MaxPax would've been guaranteed $2000 for a ro24 spot, so the money is definitely worth it (especially because he's in Denmark)
maru :D
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 18 2022 21:02 GMT
#15
Does it mean that MLord is officialy an AoEIV player from now on?
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 21:24:56
January 18 2022 21:24 GMT
#16
On January 19 2022 05:59 uselless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 05:35 dbRic1203 wrote:
MaxPax not going is realy sad, but not totally unexpected
He said in his stream like one year ago, that he doesn t think, he ll ever Play at Lan, seems like he didn t change his mind (yet)

On January 19 2022 05:34 dysenterymd wrote:
Anyone know why Keen declined his spot? He's not the most storied of the military returnees but he was doing decently, I hope he's still playing.

Probably because he doesn t want to travel for 350$..
He would realistically only beat 1-2 opponents Max before getting eliminated and he would probably have to spent the entire week.
I Don t know, if he s actually a Pro or Amateur at this point, so it could be possible he simple doesn t want to take days of from whatever else he s doing when not playing..

MaxPax would've been guaranteed $2000 for a ro24 spot, so the money is definitely worth it (especially because he's in Denmark)

He was talking about KeeN I think.

Does it mean that MLord is officialy an AoEIV player from now on?

Most likely an AoE IV streamer and player yes...
WriterMaru
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4400 Posts
January 18 2022 21:33 GMT
#17
Crazy to decline a chance to win $170k over something like privacy concerns or really any personal reasons. While I wouldn't give Maxpax a particularly high chance of winning it definitely wouldn't be 0% either. Even if he just made it out of his group he'd win 10k+. I wonder if his family is extremely rich. There's potential life changing money on the line for the vast majority of people in the world.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
January 18 2022 21:35 GMT
#18
The twitch meme about MP secretly being royalty is starting to make a lot of sense: doesn't care about money but needs privacy?

In all seriousness, maybe he'll retire before we find out who he is. That would be an interesting arc, but probably an understandable one, however disappointing
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 22:04:09
January 18 2022 21:55 GMT
#19
I'm honestly feeling kind of sad for MaxPax, I get the stress of showing your face after so many people talked about you and/or not wanting to be on the internet.
But man, you gotta have some pride in what you do, calling it quit to stay private when you have a shot a being the world champion and live changing money is a hard pill to swallow.

With that said, hopefully he rip that band-aid off at some point
The Starcraft 2 scene would be dearly missing if every weird loner would have stayed at home. (And I say that dearly as a fellow weird loner)
(And if you readying, no one seriously care about what you look like Max Pax, like not at all)

On the plus side, Zest is best and will live forever!
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 22:01:26
January 18 2022 22:00 GMT
#20
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!
very illegal and very uncool
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
January 18 2022 22:34 GMT
#21
DRG 😭
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vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
January 18 2022 23:05 GMT
#22
Maxpax

It's okay, you do what's best for you and I support it.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States362 Posts
January 18 2022 23:08 GMT
#23
Hype, hype, hype!! Super excited to see what an offline SC2 premier tournament is like since end of 2019 where Dark and Reynor faced each other in Blizzcon. Didn't watch IEM Katowice 2020. The previous time was when Stephano won an MLG back in 2011 or 2012 I think.

Also giving the benefit of the doubt to MaxyPaxy for trying not to catch covid, but I guess he's still kind of shy on showing his face. Hopefully he can be bold and come at his own pace and comfort. We would love to support him more often and compete at a high level.

Really cool that Zest can stay around the scene for a little bit longer. It's going to be a great competition overall.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-18 23:55:59
January 18 2022 23:49 GMT
#24
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!


LOL shadowverse gives out over $1m USD to first place for the world championship? that's sick

Also it's not productive to speculate about why anyone isn't participating. They don't owe it to anyone to compete for their entertainment.
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koalabro
Profile Joined June 2021
59 Posts
January 19 2022 00:32 GMT
#25
On January 19 2022 06:55 Nakajin wrote:
I'm honestly feeling kind of sad for MaxPax, I get the stress of showing your face after so many people talked about you and/or not wanting to be on the internet.
But man, you gotta have some pride in what you do, calling it quit to stay private when you have a shot a being the world champion and live changing money is a hard pill to swallow.

With that said, hopefully he rip that band-aid off at some point
The Starcraft 2 scene would be dearly missing if every weird loner would have stayed at home. (And I say that dearly as a fellow weird loner)
(And if you readying, no one seriously care about what you look like Max Pax, like not at all)

On the plus side, Zest is best and will live forever!


What did people say about him?
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2624 Posts
January 19 2022 02:11 GMT
#26
On January 19 2022 04:32 InfCereal wrote:
My theory that MaxPax is secretly Idra continues to go uncontested

MaxPax is Life man. If his identity got revealed he'd be banned.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
January 19 2022 02:33 GMT
#27
Sad for MaxPax, not just in this IEM but what about the coming season where offline events are coming back? ESL really should think of a way to make it work for him.
Also, hell yeah we got both Zest and herO playing.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
January 19 2022 04:28 GMT
#28
Finally. Hope no one gets COVID.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
January 19 2022 05:05 GMT
#29
Getting both herO and Zest is a surprise, but a huge treat.
bob lee
Profile Joined January 2022
4 Posts
January 19 2022 05:18 GMT
#30
--- Nuked ---
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
January 19 2022 07:04 GMT
#31
Maxpax = Flash
gg no re thx
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4185 Posts
January 19 2022 08:07 GMT
#32
competitive video game player rejects huge opportunity for money and glory.. because he doesn't want to show his face???

just have a balaklava + shades and a cap on then but play the tournament! bizarre..

but at least Spirit is in thanks to that, so.. cool I guess.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4185 Posts
January 19 2022 08:07 GMT
#33
Protoss FIGHTING!
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
January 19 2022 09:05 GMT
#34
Looking forward to it!
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VladSlymor
Profile Joined November 2020
80 Posts
January 19 2022 09:09 GMT
#35
On January 19 2022 17:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
competitive video game player rejects huge opportunity for money and glory.. because he doesn't want to show his face???

just have a balaklava + shades and a cap on then but play the tournament! bizarre..

but at least Spirit is in thanks to that, so.. cool I guess.


It's probably more a matter of social anxiety than the face's reveal itself - hood and shades would only bring more attention in a sense.
Still, that's a quite sad turn of event, makes you wonder what Maxpax's plans are for the coming months with - hopefully - more and more events getting back offline.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3366 Posts
January 19 2022 12:39 GMT
#36
On January 19 2022 08:49 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!


LOL shadowverse gives out over $1m USD to first place for the world championship? that's sick

Also it's not productive to speculate about why anyone isn't participating. They don't owe it to anyone to compete for their entertainment.

He doesn't owe me anything, but I'm a big enough fan that I want what's best for him. He seriously has such high potential, I sure hope he will overcome this hurdle

Maxpax Fighting!
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starvingbox1
Profile Joined July 2021
18 Posts
January 19 2022 13:55 GMT
#37
Hey that's my tweet! I'm honored.


As Wax said, it doesn't HELP to speculate....but as a huge MaxPax fanboy I just can't help but feel so sad that he won't get a chance to shine on the biggest and brightest stage. I really believe in his potential. With a good bracket, round of 8 is conceivable and I want him to show the world what he's capable of.

I totally respect his wishes. but selflishly FeelsBadMan
CJherOfan
Profile Joined October 2021
35 Posts
January 19 2022 14:51 GMT
#38
I wonder what the chance would be that Zest has to pull out last minute, letting Classic qualify.
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
January 19 2022 16:01 GMT
#39
I feel like the Ro36 should be online or just not included in the tournament honestly. Just complicates logistics for not a very important reason tbh
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
January 19 2022 17:25 GMT
#40
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-19 17:45:09
January 19 2022 17:41 GMT
#41
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Lol I wanted to write first player in any 1v1 game, but Shadow verse (thanks weebs, including me :p) ruined it.

Also I know a lot of them have surpassed one millions in actual earnings, but now one of those four if he wins can pull up his phone and go to esportsearnings and be like "yeah that's right, I made a million bucks playing StarCraft."
very illegal and very uncool
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
January 19 2022 17:45 GMT
#42
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada68 Posts
January 19 2022 21:44 GMT
#43
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain877 Posts
January 19 2022 22:29 GMT
#44
I am going to miss MaxPax games for sure. On the other hand, the smiling assassin is a nice Protoss replacement.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
January 20 2022 01:37 GMT
#45
On January 20 2022 02:45 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 02:25 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 19 2022 07:00 argonautdice wrote:
This is THE tournament where four players Maru, Serral, Rogue, and Dark will have a chance to be the first to break $1,000,000 in tournament winnings. That's quite a historic milestone for esports history because it will be the FIRST player in any non-TCG (Shadowverse) 1v1 game to break one million!

That's a very specific milestone

Also worth noting, that's it's just for prize money.
When you consider salaries etc the top guys have already easily earned over a million

Just out of curiousity, why the career earning/winning for players are different between Aligulac and Liquipedia. Judging from the number, Liquidpedia showing higher amount, so I guess they counted events that Aligulac missed or did not consider (like Team League)? I am asking this because depending on which database is being used, someone might make or miss the milestone. I think ESL has been using Aligulac number so far.


esportsearnings splits teamleague prizes equally among all players of the roster at the time
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HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
524 Posts
January 20 2022 06:28 GMT
#46
Interestet to see if Percival can go for a bit of a run. Would be nice to have some new koreans making a splash.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 20 2022 08:00 GMT
#47
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.
MaxPax
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 08:32:00
January 20 2022 08:30 GMT
#48
On January 20 2022 17:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.

Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion, that someone HAS to have a serious illness, because he declines an invite?

A couple of years ago some Korean Player missed the world champs because of a wedding (maybe Polt?)
It could very well be the same case here for MaxPax.
Please for the love of God, stop making these wild asumptions.
He isn t going, we are all sad, but we have to deal with it.


People needing to rationalize on their own way and unable/unwilling to accept he has his own privacy. But it's always funny to see that kind of speculations.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
January 20 2022 09:33 GMT
#49
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:09:13
January 20 2022 10:06 GMT
#50
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
January 20 2022 10:12 GMT
#51
On January 20 2022 19:06 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 18:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure why people are calling those out who wonder why he doesn't attend.
Yes he doesn't owe it to us and he has a right for privacy but when a professional competitor who has a lot of fans cheering for him doesn't attend the biggest event of the year for unknown reasons it's completely understandable that people wonder and speculate about his reasons.

Without the fans he wouldn't earn any money


PSISTORM wages + respectable prize money for the year + his parents probably paying the no camera penalty.

So while the first part of your post is right (everybody can wonder why, myself included because I was initially surprised too), the second part of it is wrong. How infrequently he streams compared to how much he plays is a good show of how he treats subs and donations as a nice bonus, but absolutely not central to his living.

without fans there would be no esports scene, no wages and no prize money. Even if he doesn't get the money directly from the fans, the players are still reliant on fans existing for them to earn any money from the game
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 10:53:14
January 20 2022 10:48 GMT
#52
On January 20 2022 06:44 OmniSkeptic wrote:
My conspiracy theory is that MaxPax has a disability or some other obvious physical deformity, and he feels like showing up in person would result in people taking his photo and turning it into a meme. Which I think for any of us in those circumstances would be a giant fear. I would be totally understanding in this case, and would recommend against going simply because people are cruel. However, the more likely theory is that he's autistic or something and being around too much sensory input or crowds would just be debilitating and he wouldn't be able to perform at his regular level.


In the coaching video he did with Harstem, it was apparent that MaxPax was a little confused on how to handle social conversations.

Now that's probably not super uncommon for a lot of 17-year olds who spents the majority of the time in their own room gaming. However, the thing that seemed unusual to me was that he didn't seem to understand the concept of "trash talking". Not in the sense that it was BM to trash talk but rather just seemed genuinely confused as to why Harstem joked about doing that.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1140 Posts
January 20 2022 18:28 GMT
#53
Kinda sad that the entire "race for Kattowice" was basically useless in the end, but whatever.
Really bad for MaxPax if he really has social anxiety or anything else. Reminds me of Satiini in WC3. Great player, but if I remember correctly he was afraid of flying and couldn't attend most events, right?

I assumed MlorD would drop out, especially with N4C qualifiers being in that time-frame. I guess he has a good shot not only to qualify, but actually win N4C for some big money. Much better chances than in Poland.

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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1849 Posts
January 20 2022 22:57 GMT
#54
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
January 21 2022 07:49 GMT
#55
I hope MaxPax feels comfortable to show himself on stream and at events at some point in the future. Doing audio interviews and coachings are great first steps. He is such a great player and the most interesting character in the scene for me right now.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 21 2022 08:33 GMT
#56
On January 21 2022 07:57 Mizenhauer wrote:
TL.net arm chair psychologists are the the esport version of Bill "Body Language Expert" Simmons.

If only we had journalist who would asked the question in the interview. One can hope
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Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
190 Posts
January 21 2022 10:02 GMT
#57
Protoss doing really well xD
YuMi
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel26 Posts
January 27 2022 12:22 GMT
#58
that's why non of the above are going to take this one.
i put my money on Zest, Hero or Reynor back to back
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
January 27 2022 19:18 GMT
#59
Perhaps there’s something in the MaxPax is AlphaStar unleashed rumours

Pity he won’t play though, interesting player to watch. Pretty pumped herO made it in
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Abadok
Profile Joined February 2022
Bulgaria2 Posts
February 05 2022 06:27 GMT
#60
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
February 05 2022 07:33 GMT
#61
On February 05 2022 15:27 Abadok wrote:
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%


No Rogue?

But I wont bet against herO. He may be the first one from ro36 group to survive until the playoff stage since IEM Katowice 2021.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 06 2022 11:56 GMT
#62
On February 05 2022 15:27 Abadok wrote:
Honestly think that hero has good chances of winning IEM. I'd give him about 5% to win the whole thing. For reference the person with the highest percentage of winning in my mind is either Serral or Maru, which would be at around 10%

lulz, offline Maru on a different continent and vastly different timezone xD
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
February 06 2022 17:58 GMT
#63
Can't really blame MaxPax, if I was playing protoss I wouldn't want to show my face either
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Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
February 06 2022 18:10 GMT
#64
On February 07 2022 02:58 Nerchio wrote:
Can't really blame MaxPax, if I was playing protoss I wouldn't want to show my face either



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pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States277 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 08:27:34
February 08 2022 08:26 GMT
#65
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
February 08 2022 08:47 GMT
#66
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.

That’s a real bummer. Between this and MaxPax not playing I’d almost it rather be online now.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
February 08 2022 08:56 GMT
#67
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom941 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 08:57:27
February 08 2022 08:56 GMT
#68
On February 07 2022 02:58 Nerchio wrote:
Can't really blame MaxPax, if I was playing protoss I wouldn't want to show my face either

I agree, the constant toxicity towards Protoss players who perform well isn't something I'd want to deal with either.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
February 08 2022 09:17 GMT
#69
On February 08 2022 17:56 lamandy93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.


since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following:
the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot
the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)

(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
February 08 2022 11:12 GMT
#70
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
February 08 2022 11:21 GMT
#71
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.


You're talking about a minor here. Have some empathy please.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4185 Posts
February 08 2022 12:02 GMT
#72
ugh.. ;/
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
February 08 2022 12:16 GMT
#73
On February 08 2022 18:17 hjpalpha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 17:56 lamandy93 wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.


since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following:
the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot
the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)

(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^

Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 12:22:37
February 08 2022 12:22 GMT
#74
On February 08 2022 21:16 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 18:17 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:56 lamandy93 wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.


since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following:
the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot
the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)

(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^

Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?


This is not the first time TIME got rejected for his Poland visa. Back in 2020, TIME was also got rejected for his visa application. Pretty sure there are other Russian who has to forfeit his IEM Ro76 spot few years ago.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 12:40:53
February 08 2022 12:40 GMT
#75
On February 08 2022 21:16 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 18:17 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:56 lamandy93 wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.


since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following:
the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot
the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)

(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^

Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?


It was the same at Kato 2020, Time and Cyan withdrew, it's a shame that they don't let them play from home, although I get why
There were also some Korean that got denied from time to time back in the day I think.
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CJherOfan
Profile Joined October 2021
35 Posts
February 08 2022 13:21 GMT
#76
I wonder if the issue is on the side of the polish gov't. its sad, I really like time.
I am the world's #1 CJ herO fan
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 13:50:31
February 08 2022 13:28 GMT
#77
On February 08 2022 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 21:16 tigera6 wrote:
On February 08 2022 18:17 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:56 lamandy93 wrote:
On February 08 2022 17:26 pzlama333 wrote:
TIME and Cyan just announced that they have to withdraw from IEM due to unable to acquire an Poland visa.


This really sucks, not sure how ESL will replace the 2 slots as both players are qualified using China standing, it is impossible to pass the slots to other China player as the same visa issue will kind of just repeat again. Maybe combined standing will be used to replace the 2 slots instead. And then there is another issue on whether the group need to be reshuffle again.


since the deadline for replacing from standings has already passed the rules say the following:
the best (according to global standings) of the RO36 players gets TIMEs Ro24 slot
the ro36 becomes a ro34 (i.e. 2 BYE opponents)

(that all assumes that them not being able to attend gets confirmed^^

Has this happened before, where SC2 players got refused of visa entry into a country? Wonder what the reason is, definitely not Covid-related because China still apply the "Zero Covid" policy within the country, right?


It was the same at Kato 2020, Time and Cyan withdrew, it's a shame that they don't let them play from home, although I get why
There were also some Korean that got denied from time to time back in the day I think.

Due to outbreak of Covid in China

Maybe it has to do with the vaccination they received not being recognized in EU
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
February 08 2022 13:49 GMT
#78
In other words, Group B will have even fewer EPT points than Group D now. Maybe they'll redraw the groups? Nah they won't do that.
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-08 15:41:46
February 08 2022 15:24 GMT
#79
Right now the Chinese players managed to get in contact with ESL's CEO and ESL have sent a letter to Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affair. Hopefully this could help the Chinese players to resolve their visa issue.
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honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
February 08 2022 17:36 GMT
#80
On February 09 2022 00:24 lamandy93 wrote:
Right now the Chinese players managed to get in contact with ESL's CEO and ESL have sent a letter to Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affair. Hopefully this could help the Chinese players to resolve their visa issue.
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Can any Poles translate this for us?
Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland104 Posts
February 08 2022 18:09 GMT
#81
They are basically asking for help in handing visa to Chinese athletes. Explaining that IEM is an important global and well respected event and that not giving them visas might feel like excluding Chinese athletes from a potential world champion title.

All written in a professional manner.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
February 09 2022 03:04 GMT
#82
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 09 2022 06:31 GMT
#83
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.
MaxPax
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom941 Posts
February 09 2022 10:25 GMT
#84
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-09 11:23:38
February 09 2022 11:23 GMT
#85
On February 09 2022 19:25 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.


Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-09 12:28:07
February 09 2022 12:27 GMT
#86
On February 09 2022 20:23 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2022 19:25 MJG wrote:
On February 09 2022 15:31 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 09 2022 12:04 geokilla wrote:
Why is a visa needed for a weekend tournament to begin with? Can't they just play online?

The SC2 scene has been waiting for offline tournaments to return since forever. I don t think they will make it offline just to accomodate 2 players.
They didn t allow MaxPax to play online either.
Would be pretty weired if on player was online and one was offline anyways.
Also playing from home is a advantage for most players, so that would be unfair for everyone in person as well.

MaxPax made a personal choice. The Chinese players didn't make that choice, and have made every attempt to get into the country and play. I don't feel that the two situations are comparable.

That said, I agree that it would be unfair for some players to play in the comfort of their own home and others to play in front of a live audience.


Wont be "unfair" if those CN players at home are forced to play on EU server.

I would expect, that they would Play in NA West and Central, if that was the case.
The Time/ Cyan situation just sucks

Still MJG has a point, it s not realy the same situation with MaxPax
MaxPax
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 09 2022 12:30 GMT
#87
These players require a Schengen visa, therefore they can apply for a visa in any Schengen state and participate in the tournament if they recieve it.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
February 09 2022 14:09 GMT
#88
On February 09 2022 21:30 Kafka777 wrote:
These players require a Schengen visa, therefore they can apply for a visa in any Schengen state and participate in the tournament if they recieve it.

I just want to point out that the user Kafka is trying to help with the trial of getting papers. It is an arduous process of kafkainian proportions.
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
February 09 2022 16:24 GMT
#89
What doesn't help is the paperwork being processed while the Winter Olympic Games still ongoing, and a video game event is not likely a priority right now (I'm reading news of hilarious paperwork, rona tests or else, fails during that event)
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 09 2022 23:24 GMT
#90
You are absolutly right. The problem here is that some clerk decides what is essential or non essential travel. Since this is a unified system it is difficult to overturn such a decision even though options seem to be abundant. Lets hope the leter from esl helps.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
February 11 2022 13:17 GMT
#91
I dont think an event held in China has much impact on ammount of red tape in visa processing in Poland. We also dont know why the application was rejected. Its just speculation right now.
Pathetic Greta hater.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
February 11 2022 13:28 GMT
#92
Looking at the liquipedia pages for major tournaments you see visas being rejected, having expired, being forgotten and similar all the time. Still sucks for Time and Cyan, whatever the reasons. Bureaucracy doesn't always even need a reason.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
February 11 2022 17:14 GMT
#93
Btw, KR just got hit with another Covid outbreak, with around 50k new case per day, mostly Omicron though. Not sure if that would impact on the traveling plan of the players, but this is not a great new for the tournament.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6900 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-11 18:44:11
February 11 2022 18:43 GMT
#94
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.


After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-11 19:03:29
February 11 2022 18:54 GMT
#95
On February 12 2022 03:43 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2022 20:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I never understood this obsession about Maxpax. The guy is super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality and well, just acts like a jerk from what I saw. Who cares how he looks like or what his issues are? If he does not want to be involved in the scene like a normal person thats his choice just leave him be.


After this comment I think YOU are "super weird and I mean it in a bad way, very unlikeable, 0 social skills, no personality" and you DO act like a jerk...


This kind of comment always appear when somebody acts against their expectations. Forgetting by the way there's individuals and not drones. He does what he wants, not what Mariano wants.

And even if he could qualify as a jerk, compared to other active players he wouldn't be the worst of the lot. Interesting to see that, on the other hand, Nerchio throwing the usual lazy anti-Protoss ball doesn't draw that kind of comments.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 13 2022 01:25 GMT
#96
The reason for rejecting the visa is clear. Non essential travel from China to EU is banned at the moment. Its a matter of clerical judgement what is essential or not.
datastuff
Profile Joined September 2020
31 Posts
February 15 2022 06:46 GMT
#97
https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/2022/02/iem-katowice-sc2-player-replacement-info/
Armani got replaced by Ryung and details about the replacement process.

签证通过了,但是不知道17号能不能拿到,如果17号拿不到esl会算我弃权,如果能拿到,18号下午飞上海,凌晨会从上海飞往波兰参加此次iem katowice

https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-308485.htm
TIME's visa got granted but he doesn't know if he'll receive by the 17th which is the esl deadline.

首先好消息是签证中心收了文件。

坏消息就是这边审核比较严格,首先成都使馆和北京使馆不是一个部门 ,这边签证中心没有收到使馆新的通知 说我要办理文体签

他们收到的还是之前的通知是我要办商务签,所以在这方面他们重新和使馆沟通了很久。

然后是资料问题,我们都忙于回程机票等等杂七杂八的事情,忘记了另一个重要的资料 28号之后到回程航班期间的额外住宿预定单,现场仓促又无法提供

第二就是没有工作证明 这东西我们开不出来也不能造假 所以就空着 。但是理论上是不能没有的,“星际争霸职业选手”也不是一个有确切证明和依据的“职业” 。只靠银行流水是不够的。

第三就是esl草台班子在新的邀请函上 活动时间写错了 不知道是印刷问题还是粗心 比赛时间应该是21-28他写成了21-23,我们自己大意了也没仔细检查,签证中心发现了这个问题……好在之前的原件帮大忙

总而言之,签证中心就这些问题和使馆沟通,按照规则资料不齐全是不可以收的,但是特殊情况他们允许我出具一封正式的解释信,来说明这些问题。这个时间点esl的人没有上班,时间又很紧,我只好死马当活马医自己写然后付费翻译 拼一枪了。

另外因为最近回山西照顾病重的姥姥姥爷,电脑也带回去了没法在成都练习,所以只能选择邮寄 希望来得及吧。 gggl

https://www.scboy.cc/?thread-308518-1.htm
Cyan still isn't sure, the visa centre has received the necessary documents but there were couple issues so he was allowed to submit a formal letter of explanation (not sure about translation) to explain them. All we can do now is hope he gets approved.
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-15 08:01:03
February 15 2022 07:50 GMT
#98
https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/2022/02/iem-katowice-sc2-player-replacement-info/

Here is the replacement info just released by ESL.

TLDR:
Armani can't go to IEM, his spot was replaced by Ryung. Classic was supposed to be the replacement but he does not have a passport ready (probably did not make one after his military service and not enough time to make a new one within such short notice) so Ryung got the spot instead.

TIME and Cyan are still waiting for the visa application result. If Time fail to get his visa, Ro36 will generate an additional spot into Ro24. If Cyan fail to get his visa, his spot will be replaced by uThermal.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-15 07:52:18
February 15 2022 07:51 GMT
#99
So Classic also forfeited? I thought he was ahead of Ryung in Ept ranking.
Edit: nvm i just saw the explanation, moving on.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 15 2022 10:15 GMT
#100
Did Armani give any reason why he forfeit?
MaxPax
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4185 Posts
February 15 2022 16:26 GMT
#101
what a mess..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3354 Posts
February 16 2022 02:32 GMT
#102
On February 16 2022 01:26 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
what a mess..

What worse is that, with the KR covid outbreak over the last week, if players caught Covid before or during the travel, they have to forfeit according to the current rulebook, because you cant play from isolation.
EthanCheung
Profile Joined April 2020
18 Posts
February 17 2022 04:03 GMT
#103
TIME has received his visa and wil participate in IEM Katowice.
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
February 17 2022 09:13 GMT
#104
On February 17 2022 13:03 EthanCheung wrote:
TIME has received his visa and wil participate in IEM Katowice.

Cyan too, just don't know when he'll start his trip to Poland
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 17 2022 09:17 GMT
#105
Finally some good news again
MaxPax
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 17 2022 09:52 GMT
#106
i love Ryung, but i'd still like to know why Armani had to drop out :/

great news about Time and Cyan though
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
February 17 2022 11:03 GMT
#107
On February 17 2022 18:52 Schelim wrote:
i love Ryung, but i'd still like to know why Armani had to drop out :/

great news about Time and Cyan though

Iirc I read somewhere that it was covid related? Pretty unfortunate if that's the case. Since there is an outbreak in Korea, I hope the KR players are being really careful atm to be able to participate
WriterMaru
lamandy93
Profile Joined February 2022
6 Posts
February 18 2022 08:41 GMT
#108
On February 17 2022 18:52 Schelim wrote:
i love Ryung, but i'd still like to know why Armani had to drop out :/

great news about Time and Cyan though


Armani just posted on his twitter explaining why he had to drop out. (In Korean though)

Using google translate, here is what we get:
The reason I didn't go to IEM Katowice this time wasn't because I didn't get a vaccine or to retire or something like that, but they said that Omicron is very serious overseas. In fact, recently, there was also a brother around me who went abroad and suffered from Omicron, and of course IEM persuaded me to proceed as safely as possible.

My mother's opposition was so strong that I had to abstain. As a gamer, it's a pity that I can't participate in the most important tournament of the year, but I'll take a good rest and prepare well for GSL. Some gamer colleagues also contacted me, and I think there are people who are curious, so I am writing this.
Mandragoron
Profile Joined July 2018
1 Post
Last Edited: 2022-02-24 03:10:27
February 24 2022 02:55 GMT
#109
Sorry but MaxPax willing declining 2k + potential 10k+ ? Prove that he is a cheater, can only win online.. yeah a lot of fanboys will disagree, but a person who can only shine online cant be trusted. He should at least 1 time prove his skill in an offline event.

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