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On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it
Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past.
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On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past.
Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build
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On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build
Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though.
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Solar's 2021 season is very sad...
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On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though.
It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru.
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On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though.
It’s misleading though, in game 3 this was a specific build (Cure popularized it by being able to destroy Serral / Reynor with ping with it… a few months ago) with very early double factory fast burrow mine into lots of mine drops.
Clem style usually does not do such mine drops / this build, and uses them a bit later on aggressively but not specifically to kill drones / defending zerglings.
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Does anyone happen to have the build Maru used in game 3 vs Solar? The Cure build.
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On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru.
I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago.
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On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago.
If you watch Maru games long enough, you would know he already did the multi-prong attack thing against Zerg way back, especially againts LingBane or RoachRavager army, just watch GSL Super Tournament 1 in 2020 against Dark where he drop literally everywhere on the map. Maru only started doing more defensive turtle build last year against LurkerViper and BroodLord Infestor endgame. Its not a "Clem style" because Clem didnt invent it, although Clem might be the best at doing it currently due to his micro.
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On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago.
How can you disagree with facts?
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Why, why, why did I bet on Solar?! The guy always lets me down, but I thought this time he looked like the clear second best player but he gets absolutely clowned on by sOs.
I need to follow my own fucking instincts sometimes. The guy just doesn't have it. He's missing that "thing" that makes Rogue and Dark champions. He just doesn't have it. His best matches of the night were all against Maru, once he lost to him, he just fell apart. SMH.
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On September 05 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. How can you disagree with facts?
i agree with tiga6 comment.
@argonauta: how can a asumption that something is said to "trigger people" stated as fact? Beside that i was talking about the speedy "in your face stlye" (not a bo, as stated above).
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On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago.
The fuck what? Did you miss the whole HotS era or what? Maru was the best known player for attacking from so many angles the max zoom out wasn't enough. He was the best known for using "I don't give a fuck" style where he demolished players with units which made no sense - e.g. no vikings against heavy colossus styles. Check the history... Maru best known for camping is a thing of the past 2 years, he plays FAR LONGER than this and most of the time he was overaggressive. And won some fancy titles with that while Clem didn't
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Edit> Even his most klnown loss to Meomaika is a story of him being overaggressive. These newbies...
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On September 06 2021 00:33 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote:On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. How can you disagree with facts? i agree with tiga6 comment. @argonauta: how can a asumption that something is said to "trigger people" stated as fact? Beside that i was talking about the speedy "in your face stlye" (not a bo, as stated above).
No, the "triggering people" bit is my opinion. The fact I was referring to was that maru is the speedy/multiprong OG.
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On September 06 2021 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. The fuck what? Did you miss the whole HotS era or what? Maru was the best known player for attacking from so many angles the max zoom out wasn't enough. He was the best known for using "I don't give a fuck" style where he demolished players with units which made no sense - e.g. no vikings against heavy colossus styles. Check the history... Maru best known for camping is a thing of the past 2 years, he plays FAR LONGER than this and most of the time he was overaggressive. And won some fancy titles with that while Clem didn't \ Edit> Even his most klnown loss to Meomaika is a story of him being overaggressive. These newbies...
I dont understand why u sound so aggressive. I agree that maru was known for the multi prong attack style. Clem just put it on the next level.
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On September 07 2021 03:43 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2021 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. The fuck what? Did you miss the whole HotS era or what? Maru was the best known player for attacking from so many angles the max zoom out wasn't enough. He was the best known for using "I don't give a fuck" style where he demolished players with units which made no sense - e.g. no vikings against heavy colossus styles. Check the history... Maru best known for camping is a thing of the past 2 years, he plays FAR LONGER than this and most of the time he was overaggressive. And won some fancy titles with that while Clem didn't \ Edit> Even his most klnown loss to Meomaika is a story of him being overaggressive. These newbies... I dont understand why u sound so aggressive. I agree that maru was known for the multi prong attack style. Clem just put it on the next level.
Nah, Clem is slower than Maru at his age. I know it sounds silly... but this is like discussing if the earth is round. it is just is, no matter how many times you say otherwise.
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On September 07 2021 05:33 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2021 03:43 DarkGamer wrote:On September 06 2021 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. The fuck what? Did you miss the whole HotS era or what? Maru was the best known player for attacking from so many angles the max zoom out wasn't enough. He was the best known for using "I don't give a fuck" style where he demolished players with units which made no sense - e.g. no vikings against heavy colossus styles. Check the history... Maru best known for camping is a thing of the past 2 years, he plays FAR LONGER than this and most of the time he was overaggressive. And won some fancy titles with that while Clem didn't \ Edit> Even his most klnown loss to Meomaika is a story of him being overaggressive. These newbies... I dont understand why u sound so aggressive. I agree that maru was known for the multi prong attack style. Clem just put it on the next level. Nah, Clem is slower than Maru at his age. I know it sounds silly... but this is like discussing if the earth is round. it is just is, no matter how many times you say otherwise.
i wonder on which facts your .. opinion is based. Saying that denying it is silly is far from proving it right.
Is that even possible to accuratly rate player speed ? what are we talking about, multitasking, apm, .... There are so many things involved, and yet the only source of our opinion is our fanboyism
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On September 07 2021 03:43 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2021 18:24 deacon.frost wrote:On September 05 2021 00:25 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 20:29 Argonauta wrote:On September 04 2021 18:54 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 18:17 Poopi wrote:On September 04 2021 18:08 DarkGamer wrote:On September 04 2021 09:28 Lokol18 wrote:
Thanks for the recap. As a maru fan, it was a pretty good day. Kinda funny that the on-your-face style in tvz (see maru v. solar game 3) is now referred to as clem-esque when the koreans were the first ones to popularize it Its because no one could do it as speedy as clem, as he was the one who put it on another level. It’s like byun with the reapers in the past. Clem doesn't play like that at all though, this was Cure's build Then i missed what’s the „on your face“ style mean. Can u specify? Lokol18 was talking about a style and ur talking about a build order though. It is just a cheeky phrase to trigger people. No more than that, we all now that the speedy multiprong OG is Maru. I disagree. Maru was more known for his camping style if the zerg got a little a head in the midgame. clem is the one known for beeing always in the face of the opponent on 2-3 locations. and no one is doing it as fast as clem, what also ty said on his stream some month ago. The fuck what? Did you miss the whole HotS era or what? Maru was the best known player for attacking from so many angles the max zoom out wasn't enough. He was the best known for using "I don't give a fuck" style where he demolished players with units which made no sense - e.g. no vikings against heavy colossus styles. Check the history... Maru best known for camping is a thing of the past 2 years, he plays FAR LONGER than this and most of the time he was overaggressive. And won some fancy titles with that while Clem didn't \ Edit> Even his most klnown loss to Meomaika is a story of him being overaggressive. These newbies... I dont understand why u sound so aggressive. I agree that maru was known for the multi prong attack style. Clem just put it on the next level.
I highly doubt it: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/d96hln/the_final_two_minutes_of_maru_vs_ragnarok_from/ and I watched both players in first pov.
Also Clem actually played against Maru and found him even better mechanically. HeroMarine also was impressed about Maru's "perfection" when he played him for the first time. It's difficult to be sure now if Maru is fully healed up from his shoulder issues, and we don't get to see him that much offline against Reynor and Serral so he doesn't play his usual style there.
Both players are gifted mechanically though.
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