EPTNew EPT prize pool announced for 2021 and 2022 - Page 2
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On April 02 2021 12:59 Legan wrote: Isn't this kind of natural reaction to people wanting flatter price distribution? Putting money on the regional events is better in that regard, than putting it to seasonal finals.They of course could increase GSL price pool too, but GSL is mostly run by AfreecaTV making it bit odd to ESL to increase prestige of event not mainly run by them. Also I could see possible issues how the contracts work between all parties. On another note how much is there to gain from pumping money in Korean scene while knowing its current state. Remember that GSL had to move from 32 players to 24 players this year. Increased price pool would most likely not fix issue of Koreans having low interest in SC2 or increase amount of new competitors. In a vacuum yes but after pulling money from Katowice, where Korea’s finest did pretty well despite not taking home the trophy, to basically redistribute that primarily back into the already healthier foreign scene is a bit shit really. Especially after being region locked out for so long, with a decline of international tournaments over the last few years, it’s a bit rough. To pick one random player, a Zoun would be pretty competitive in foreign regions, but GSL is still pretty damn cutthroat and his breakout performance was at ST which has a pretty pathetic prize pool for the quality of the field. I’m not sure it’s a good move long term, but then given the state of affairs I’m not sure ESL are looking long term. I don’t think big international tournaments have nearly the same appeal without the Koreans who’ve been left to wither on the vine for too long, but I think there’s still enough quality even with military callups to last for a year or two and keeping interest. Call me a pessimist but I think ESL have made the calculation that the current Korean contingent will hang around for a few years and bring eyes to the product, and then they’ll pull back on their SC2 ambitions. If that weren’t the case and there was more of a long-term focus, then I think there’d be more love shown to Korea for the scene’s long-term health. Hey it’s wild speculation and I don’t doubt ESL’s passion for the game, I think they underestimated quite the extent Blizzard would drop maintenance of the game. I hope to be wrong on this but it’s one thing to handle the tournament side of the game and have Blizz do some housekeeping, maps and balance tweaks, it’s quite another to commit to running a competitive circuit for a game that may have a stagnant map pool for forever and no patches. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 02 2021 12:59 Legan wrote: Regarding flatter prize distribution, keep in mind they cut this money entirely from an internationally open event. And out of the 250,000 they cut, only 4,000 go back to events that aren't region-locked - even between foreigners which is simply put not fair to anyone. And those 4,000 only go to the champions of 2 events so that's not very flat either.Isn't this kind of natural reaction to people wanting flatter price distribution? Putting money on the regional events is better in that regard, than putting it to seasonal finals.They of course could increase GSL price pool too, but GSL is mostly run by AfreecaTV making it bit odd to ESL to increase prestige of event not mainly run by them. Also I could see possible issues how the contracts work between all parties. On another note how much is there to gain from pumping money in Korean scene while knowing its current state. Remember that GSL had to move from 32 players to 24 players this year. Increased price pool would most likely not fix issue of Koreans having low interest in SC2 or increase amount of new competitors. And regarding your "how much is there to gain statement", ESL reallocated 246,000 $ to the EPT regions: 114,000 to EU 51,600 to NA 21,000 to LatAm 21,000 to China 19,200 to Taiwan 19,200 to SEA How much do you think there is to gain by giving even 1 extra dollar to SEA? | ||
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Durnuu
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 02 2021 17:12 Elentos wrote: Regarding flatter prize distribution, keep in mind they cut this money entirely from an internationally open event. And out of the 250,000 they cut, only 4,000 go back to events that aren't region-locked - even between foreigners which is simply put not fair to anyone. And those 4,000 only go to the champions of 2 events so that's not very flat either. And regarding your "how much is there to gain statement", ESL reallocated 246,000 $ to the EPT regions: 114,000 to EU 51,600 to NA 21,000 to LatAm 21,000 to China 19,200 to Taiwan 19,200 to SEA 0 to Korea How much do you think there is to gain by giving even 1 extra dollar to SEA? There, fixed How can we expect them remembering Korea exists if we are not mentioning them at all? Edit> At this moment we can only hope that Koreans get some defense from Artosis and The Pylon Show, but I am sceptical about that either. BEcause let's face it, we don't really matter xD (especially me, who's not watching ESL already :D ) | ||
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StarcraftPeffo
Italy66 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 02 2021 20:54 StarcraftPeffo wrote: So your plan would be ESL giving free money to another company, or giving more money to the top 16 of the world, on a game with already a declining\stable at best player base? This forum is weird. You do realize they did take that money from the non region locked international tournament where Koreans could take a money and did send 0 to Korea? You do realize they could have done a 'Code B' style tournament for those who couldn't qualify at Korea for some cash? As an example. Like they could do shit with the money for Koreans, they just ignored them. I don't know where did you get the stupid top16 argument. Edit> Yeah, this forum is weird. They care about Koreans and the Korean scene, what a weird thing to do. What did Koreans do for Starcraft anyway? Screw them like ESL just did! | ||
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sneakyfox
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On April 04 2021 02:02 TheSayo182 wrote: If koreans are so entertaining they could someway sustain themselves If non Koreans were good enough to deserve this extra money for no reason Koreans wouldn't take 15/24 of the top spots at Katowice and 8 of the top 12. | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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ExpatRights
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Charoisaur
Germany16101 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4290 Posts
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Elentos
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On April 04 2021 22:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote: It's revenge for AfreecaTV and the koreans cutting off ASL contracts with Tastosis lmao Who are of course involved in 0 ESL events. It's all coming together now. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
REMOVE REGION LOCK | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 05 2021 04:28 Argonauta wrote: Rough if true. I am thinking of the ryungs, patiences, dreams, zouns, princes armanis,... etc that also deserve some love to stay competitive,. Also: REMOVE REGION LOCK Right now region lock exists because of the pandemic. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
EPL 2020-2021 According to the 2020-2021 EPL on Liquipedia, GSL and ST gave a combined prizepool of: 480,000 (120,000 x 3 + 30,000 x 2) EPT regionlocked tournaments gave a total of (366,000) (84,000 x 3 + 38,000 x 3) In the previous EPL, the total prize pool for the Korean region was larger than the foreign region. EPL 2021-2022 For the 2021-2022 season, the original amount was EPT Regional gave a total of (300,000) (55,000 x 3 + 25,000 x 3 + 11,000 x 3 + 9,000 x 3) Original source The new EPT regionals give a total of (402,900) (74,000 x 3 + 33,600 x 3 + 14,500 x 3 + 12,200 * 3) Updated I do not know if there was an original amount for the GSL tournaments Currently, the total prize pool is (430,800) (118,000 x 3 + 25,600 x 3) Afreecatv blog post Additionally, if we consider the total paid and qualified player base (I'm counting those who qualified for the main tournament and were paid), we get: EPT (80 per season) (32 + 16 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8) GSL (40 per season) (24 + 16) Thus, the Korean region has a total of 430,800 with a total number of 40 (or 120 for all three seasons) players. Thus, the EPT region has a total of 402,900 with a total number of 80 (or 240 for all three seasons) players. I suppose the argument could be that because the Korean region is stronger overall, they should get a greater degree of the prize pool. Also, because the foreign regions are technically healthier than the Korean region, the Korean region needs more money to sustain itself than the foreign regions. However, the EPT region was only going to get 300,000 total, which would be significantly lower than the Korean region, and as it is now, they still get a smaller amount of the prize pool despite paying out winnings to an overall larger group of players. Additionally, Korean players tend to do better in the global tournaments, which results in them winning a larger percentage of the overall prize pool than the foreigners. I'm just confused about why this redistribution is wrong. | ||
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