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Code S Finals Preview: Rogue vs Stats - Page 2

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Shadow1985
Profile Joined August 2020
3 Posts
August 15 2020 02:47 GMT
#21
I do think overall Rogue is better career wise. He has won the more meaningful tournaments and you could argue he is a World Champion a few times over.

But the disrespect Stats gets every series is insane. He is always counted out right at the start. Yes he sucks at cheesing and is very susceptible to it as well. As Rogue showed, he almost always beats Stats with cheese. On the other hand, more often than not, Stats loses to Rogue with his own failed cheese.

But on a macro game level, They produce some great long drawn out games against each other. Actually he does this with consistency vs Dark and Serral as well. Those are probably the top 3 Zerg players of all-time.

I'm not quite sure who's leading in their offline matchups all time but it should be fairly even who ever might have the edge.

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Shadow1985
Profile Joined August 2020
3 Posts
August 15 2020 02:58 GMT
#22
On August 15 2020 11:42 Cultmethd wrote:
I think Stats has this. Also - Awesome graphic Shadow. Love it!

Calling 4-2 Stats


Thank you! I'm just irked at how they dismiss him especially in GSL. I think foreign tournaments give him a bit more love though he is underestimated frequently because of his lack of cheeses.

Which I agree to some extent is one of his weaknesses. But goddamn, vs Dark and Rogue's cheeses that were one of a kind shows how creative this man is. He just adapted and came up with an answer to 2 very specific cheeses to take him out.

I'm betting both of those one-off cheeses have like 95% win rate for Dark and Rogue yet Stats held it so well.


This is the guy who Carrier run by Serral and beat him. Threw down mass stasis wards and styled on SOO. He also reversed sweep DARK.
Terra1
Profile Joined June 2018
Philippines312 Posts
August 15 2020 03:07 GMT
#23
2 GSL Champions, one being a cheeky player that not only has some builds in store but also knows how to abuse a certain unit and building (I'm looking at you SH-Nydus) and another being a defensive player that can defend insanely well, even if it's his first time seeing it (check his GSL interview about Dark's proxy hatch on his nat wall).

My head says Rogue but my heart and liquid bets believe at Stats, 4-3.

Stats "Shield of Aiur" fighting!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 15 2020 03:28 GMT
#24
Rogue 4-1 and the games will be awful, god I hope I'm wrong
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-15 03:57:29
August 15 2020 03:55 GMT
#25
Ah burn, I thought this started at 9PM PST. Gotta wait until 1AM, dang. I'm cool with either result tonight. If Stats wins it will break the Protoss drought and if Rogue wins it further cements him as the most accomplished Zerg player in the GSL, and adds another trophy to Jin Air's trophy cabinet.

My brain says this will be a 4-3 victory for Rogue, but if Stats pulls out the win here I'll happily cheer for him too.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2450 Posts
August 15 2020 05:00 GMT
#26
Reminiscing the older days of cute Rogue.

Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
August 15 2020 05:50 GMT
#27
Stats was the one who ended soOs unbeatable before the finals record so he can also beat Rogues unbeatable in the finals record.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
August 15 2020 06:26 GMT
#28
Said it before, I have Stats 4-2. He will use his series planning IQ advantage + macro style but also 50% offbeat styles to make Rogue monka. As when Rogue is monka he tilts like a granny on stilts.
Htime
Profile Joined March 2019
58 Posts
August 15 2020 06:42 GMT
#29
Brain: Rogue, Heart: Stats
6+ maps is the true hope
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-15 09:42:08
August 15 2020 09:39 GMT
#30
On August 15 2020 12:28 Zambrah wrote:
Rogue 4-1 and the games will be awful, god I hope I'm wrong


GSL is the devil.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-15 11:41:54
August 15 2020 11:41 GMT
#31
I was sure Stats could get to 3 wins with how amazing his form has been, but I was never gonna predict on a Protoss win in a bo7.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-15 23:06:02
August 15 2020 12:34 GMT
#32
Deleted, because a spoiler in the wrong thread. Sorry for leaving it up so long.
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