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Code S RO8 Preview: DRG vs INnoVation, Dream vs Rogue

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Code S RO8 Preview: DRG vs INnoVation, Dream vs Rogue

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July 28th, 2020 13:31 GMT

2020 GSL Code S Season 2 - Round of 8 Day 1

Start time: Wednesday, Jul 29 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

What better way to celebrate 10 years of StarCraft II than with a night of GSL Code S? Keeping with the theme of remembering StarCraft II history, the first day of Code S quarterfinal matches features two blasts from the past. DongRaeGu and Dream have defied all our expectations and made it to the playoffs, showing us that mandatory military service doesn't have to be the end of a player's career.

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Quarterfinals Match #1: DongRaeGu vs INnoVation

by Wax

This is a rematch that has been nearly six years in the making.

Back on September 17th, 2014, INnoVation crushed DongRaeGu in the quarterfinals of Code S Season 3, taking a convincing, one-sided 3-0 sweep. It would be DongRaeGu's last Code S match until July of 2020.

As a fan, it's hard not to see a lot of symbolism in that match. DongRaeGu had been one of the best Zergs of Wings of Liberty, with three major tournament championships (including a GSL Code S title) to his name. DRG's in-game skills, combined with his outgoing personality and impressive English skills, made him one of the most popular and iconic figures in early StarCraft II. But by 2014, he had become a shadow of his former self. As it turns out, the "Elephant in the room" truthers had been right. Once KeSPA players made the official switch to StarCraft II and finished adjusting to a new game, they began to trample all over the initial pioneers of the SC2 scene. Some players like Polt and MC sought refuge abroad. Talented prospects like PartinG, Dark and Maru were assimilated into the KeSPA machine. DongRaeGu chose to stay in Korea and deal with the consequences.

DongRaeGu was too much of survivor to be relegated to irrelevance, but he ended up being stuck in the middle-tier. He ground out games for Team MVP in Proleague, doing what he could to try and keep them in the middle of the pack (he couldn't attain a 50% win-rate in 2014). In Code S, the tournament where he was once a champion, he became a group-stage regular. Still, he could create some inspiring moments of defiance, such as when defeated Brood War god Flash in Proleague, or better yet, defeated Flash to earn that Code S playoff match against INnoVation in the first place.

Unfortunately, his 3-0 drubbing at the hands of INnoVation was an instant snap back to reality. INnoVation was one of the players who had been at the KeSPA vanguard, leading the invasion into StarCraft II. While INnoVation had taken a one-year sabbatical from KeSPA to take a paycheck from Team Acer in 2014, he was still very much a symbol of the new world order that had changed the face of Korean StarCraft II. It was sadly fitting that he was the one who banished DongRaeGu from Code S title contention forever more.



I suppose this kind of fanciful storytelling is more for the fans than progamers. Perhaps, from the point of view of the actual players, the narrative was a simple as "DRG bad, INnOVation good." But even if that were the case, the implications would have been no less painful for DongRaeGu.

While DRG stuck around in the competitive scene for a while longer, Code S Season 3 of 2014 felt like the beginning of the end. He no longer qualified for GSL Code S tournaments on the regular, and thus started to fade out of our collective awareness (he did have a surprisingly solid Proleague campaign for Sbenu in 2015, yet again beating Flash in a signature upset). He planned a belated move to the overseas WCS Circuit, but the newly implemented "hard" region-lock of 2016 thwarted his plans. In the autumn of 2016, DRG departed from progaming to begin his military service.

*****

The biggest surprise of 2020 so far isn't Rogue's IEM Katowice run, Cure's power-up as a championship level player, or any of Serral's ZvZ losses in major tournaments. No, it's the fact DongRaeGu, of all the players to return to competitive StarCraft II after South Korea's mandatory military service, was the first one to ever reach the Code S quarterfinals. All the evidence so far has told us that military service is a career death sentence, with players seemingly taking a permanent blow to their level of skill. Several greats of the past—MMA, MC,TaeJa, and Bomber among them—have tried to get over the RO16 hump (some are still trying), but all had failed up until this season.

If anyone could possibly break through, we expected it to be a player who had more recently shown us championship-quality play. MMA, Dream, and TaeJa seemed like they might have a chance, as they had been in the championship picture in late 2014 (well into 2015, in Dream's case). Certainly, their chances didn't look good, but it sure seemed more likely that they'd succeed than someone like DongRaeGu who had last been truly great in Wings of Liberty.

And yet, somehow, DongRaeGu beat the odds and won the race to reach the quarterfinals. What's more impressive about his run is that he's done it with a foundation as a solid macro player. In the RO24, he twice defeated Code S stalwart Dear to advance to the second group stage. He showed us why Korean Zergs have been crediting him for figuring out standard Zerg plays in 2020, and being the one to develop the textbook response to Zest's new Glaive-Adept meta. He also showed us how he's been adapting to the GSL-specific meta. DRG said that he had been too fixated on macro play in the early stages of his return, and had become too predictable. He adjusted by bringing out early Speedling all-ins against Dear, which worked brilliantly in helping him to the RO16 (the builds were good enough that even Serral admitted to copying them in Dreamhack).

One could say DongRaeGu was aided in the RO16 by being placed into an easy group with TY, Scarlett, and SpeCial. The #1 seed in the GSL RO16 usually manages to draft three of the weakest players to his group, making it easy for an underdog to sneak into the playoffs in second place. But DongRaeGu didn't beat up on the foreigner duo to claim a playoff spot—he smashed TY fair and square to take 1st place in his group. In fact, in his matches against SpeCial and TY, the only games he lost were to Bunker rushes.

In any case, DongRaeGu's reward for his historic accomplishment is a much-delayed playoff rematch against INnoVation. In an interview with Hajinsun, DRG revealed he doesn't have much of an ax to grind against INnoVation for their bygone match. Rather, he said was relieved to have drawn INnoVation instead of PartinG, due to his preference for ZvT over ZvP.

Is DongRaeGu for real? Two Code S groups is too small a sample to go off of, especially for an ex-military player with few notable results since his return. But I do desperately want to believe he's real, if only for the future of the 'returnees' and the future of Korean StarCraft II on the whole.

As for INnoVation, he was typically nonplussed about having to face DongRaeGu in the quarterfinals. One of the more intriguing subplots of this GSL season was how the top Terrans all seemed to consider TvZ a favorable match-up, but INnoVation was the only one who really proved that point through his gameplay. After defeating Dark by a combined score of 4-0 in the RO16, it stands to reason that he had little reason to fear any other Zerg in the GSL (Serral and Reynor? Different kind of problem).

Anyway, I'll end by introducing a personal hypothesis that will be tested in the upcoming two matches. Maybe, just maybe, there are situations in professional StarCraft II where you have to go backward in order to move forward. Those who stay the course are suffering constant attrition to their willpower, passion, and conviction. But those who are forced to depart against their own will might end up better appreciating the value of what they once had. That kind of realization, which can only be gained through loss, could unlock another level of motivation.

Is that theory too idealistic? Probably.

Prediction: INnoVation 3 - 0 DongRaeGu

Quarterfinals Match #2: Dream vs Rogue

by Orlok

'Returnees' are a most enigmatic group of players. As with any career, it's not surprising for progamers to have some regrets when they retire, be it about matches they could have won with better play or not having tried just a little bit harder at a crucial juncture in their career. But still, life moves on, and it seems pointless to dwell too long on the events of the past.

Do players keep coming back to StarCraft II because they stubbornly insist on taking care of their unfinished business? Or do they return because they actually have put their regrets behind them, and can play without being weighed down by any of their bygone burdens? Whatever the logic behind coming back to SC2 is, the result has been mostly the same: disappointment and failure. Or, at least, it was until this season. Dream is back on the stage he left all those years ago, and is poised to reach heights he was denied all those years ago.

Dream’s career is one of one sharp ascendance followed by a quick descent. Once, he was just another pro player on a middling team in MVP, in danger of being swallowed up and lost in the sea of mid-tier competitors in Korea at the time. But deep down inside of him, there must have been a spark of talent that separated him from the masses, as SKT swooped in to add him to their roster in 2015 (certain TL.net forum-goers will claim they also noticed that spark!). Whatever scouting SKT did was spot on, as Dream quickly became a valuable part of SKT's campaign to reclaim the Proleague throne. Once a player who struggled to make it out of challenger/Code A, Dream made a star turn by reaching back-to-back finals in the newly established SpoTV Starleague. And while he didn’t end up lifting the trophy, he did look every bit like a next generation star. He was a versatile winner, being able to crack series against the likes of Life and herO, both of whom were at their peaks. He played a solid role in Proleague as well and looked to assume the mantle of top tier Terran for years to come.

Then, as quickly as he rose, Dream fell. A hot 2015 led to a extremely cold 2016, where he achieved little of note but a single Code S RO8 appearance. It was as if his hard-attained mastery of Heart of the Swarm had been instantly blown to pieces by the bombshell arrival of Legacy of the Void. Perhaps lacking the resolve to grind his way to the top in yet another expansion, the 21-year-old Dream decided to move on and begin his military service at an early age.

But, lo and behold, he completed his duty to his country, came back to StarCraft, and has actually picked up where he left off. Now just three seasons into his return, Dream finds himself already matching his previous high point in the GSL.

While one could point to Dream's baseline talent, #TerranPatch, and his relatively young age (he's still just 23) as the reason for his rapid recovery, there are still things that defy explanation. After all, TaeJa was just as talented (if not more so), is only two years older, and also plays Terran. Yet, while TaeJa is struggling to overcome F2 syndrome and survive in an era of extreme multi-tasking, Dream is playing impressive macro games on the level of TY, INnoVation, Cure, and Maru. Dream is doing all those top-tier Korean Terran things: he's everywhere on the map, he seems to have an infinite supply of units, and he has cheeky builds for the occasional free win. Did he just practice that much harder than all the returnees? Maybe more than TaeJa, but it's to think that he straight-up outworked consummate professionals like FanTaSy and MMA.

While there’s no concrete evidence, I believe in the end sometimes all you need to get over your hump is time. Not in the sense of time invested, but time as a resource going forward. There are instances where simply not focusing too hard on specific goals, just letting things proceed naturally, will actually beget better results. Dream doesn’t have to worry about military service. And unlike some older returnees, he doesn't have to worry as much about his 'life after progaming' and look around for coaching jobs or whatever he'll do next. For now, he’s free to play purely for himself, with no strings attached, and perhaps that’s why he’s outpacing a lot of other players.

On the other hand, Rogue is the opposite of Dream in many ways. Dream came back to resume a title-less career. Rogue has kept grinding for nearly a decade, and has achieved virtually all there is to achieve in professional StarCraft. Win BlizzCon? Check. Win IEM? Check. Win a GSL Code S? Check. Win IEM AGAIN? Check. Rogue has basically achieved the grand-slam of StarCraft II, and if anyone still doubted him, he was even on his way to contend for the WESG title before the tournament was cancelled due to COVID-19. Whatever regrets he has when he retires, they'll seem trivial compared to what Dream must have been processing in 2016.

If there is a regret, it would probably be the lack of popular recognition. Players like Maru and Serral are still given plenty of praise for their iconic 2018 campaigns, and have always been at the forefront of “best player in the world” debates for the last couple of years. Rogue, despite being far more successful at super-majors than either of them (Maru hasn't won either IEM or BlizzCon, while Serral has won a single BlizzCon), is rarely the first name to pop up in those debates. When people talk about the greatest of all time, it's always players like INnoVation (and his 10 major titles), Maru (for winning 4 Code S tournaments in a row), and Serral (because of reasons) who draw the most attention. Be it because he's maligned as a "patchzerg," because he tends to win in dominant, boring finals, because he slacks off hard after winning a major title, or because he simply has terrible trophy celebrations, Rogue just doesn't get as much praise as he deserves. While it probably doesn’t cost him much sleep (the new 50,000 won bills provide good neck support), it must bother him to some degree.

It’s hard to know what Rogue is playing for every time he steps onto the stage. The practical reason would naturally be to earn every dollar of prize money he can squeeze before inevitable retirement. But a more romantic view would be to perhaps earn—no, DEMAND—the recognition he deserves. Sure, there's a definitely a mercantile and pragmatic undercurrent you notice more and more in the SC2 scene, whether it's with multiple-time champions or returnees looking to make a quick buck. But just because something is underlined by pragmatism doesn't mean it's devoid of all loftier meaning. The knowledge that you are firmly one of the best ever in history is an honor that a precious few players ever come close to achieving. Somewhere in the cost-benefit analysis Rogue seems to engage in before every tournament, this has to factor in.

Prediction: Dream 3 - 2 Rogue



Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Orlok and Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
2575 Posts
July 28 2020 14:32 GMT
#2
Rogue already won his global final seed and the big money this year with IEM don't see why Ro8gue shouldn't turn up to disappoint again. The only ro8 he survived was the one where he won GSL because he needed the win for blizzcon (iirc) and even there it was damn close in a very Zerg favored meta, so yeah
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8213 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 14:43:11
July 28 2020 14:41 GMT
#3
What a great preview, Orlok. I think it's spot on regarding the lack of recognition (not only popularity). Rogue is the master of finding optimal strategies (which is where the abusiveness comes from) but it's not to a much greater degree than the other top zergs imo. Serral, Reynor, and Dark all used their fair share of nydushost and blord/festor last year.

Artosis even said in the Ro16 that even when Rogue won his blizzcon with great lategame play, it was on the back of Blord/infestor, somehow both forgetting how the games where back then as well as what year it was. He won it in 2017, on a mix of dedicated timing attacks and super lategame, but it was a whole two years before the recent blord/festor plague hit us again. It's comical that Artosis of all people, who after Rogue's first Katowice championship pronounced Rogue the first SC2 bonjwa as well as the GOAT lategame zerg, would somehow stumble into this perspective.
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TanksALot
Profile Joined December 2002
United States143 Posts
July 28 2020 15:05 GMT
#4
3-0 Inno?? No way, 3-2 maybe because DRG has looked very very strong lately. Pretty excited for that match!
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2306 Posts
July 28 2020 15:28 GMT
#5
On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Wax:
After defeating Dark by a combined score of 4-0 in the RO16, it stands to reason that he had little reason to fear any other Zerg in the GSL (Serral and Reynor? Different kind of problem).


On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Orlok:
When people talk about the greatest of all time, it's always players like INnoVation (and his 10 major titles), Maru (for winning 4 Code S tournaments in a row), and Serral (because of reasons) who draw the most attention.


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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3941 Posts
July 28 2020 16:03 GMT
#6
Writes pages upon pages about DRG. Predicts Inno wipes the floor with him.

Because I am a high-grade Dongraegu fanboy, I hope he shows the bogus Terran that all his innovation does not help.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Akio
Profile Joined January 2019
Finland1612 Posts
July 28 2020 16:03 GMT
#7
I'm loving the 3-2 for Dream prediction.
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Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany516 Posts
July 28 2020 16:52 GMT
#8
Starttime is wrong i guess:

"Start time: Tuesday, Jul 28 11:30am CEST (GMT+02:00)"

Starts a day later
Jaedong | Life | MKP | PartinG | LosirA | ByuN | TaeJa | TY | TLO | Bomber | HerO | Rotti | Dark | Stephano | Maru | Ragnarok | MC | IdrA | Serral | Creator | Bunny | INnoVation | Liquid | Prime | JinAir
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1780 Posts
July 28 2020 16:53 GMT
#9
I used to hate Rogue for abusing all those zerg bullshit like nydushost, but now I just find it incredibly halirious when everyone is hyping Serral, Reynor and Maru Rogue just casually stomps everyone, does an awful celebration and admits he's a partchzerg.

Definitely my favorite Zerg now.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany14519 Posts
July 28 2020 16:55 GMT
#10
I have another theory why Dream and DRG are the first returnees to advance to the ro8.
Maybe it has just never been this easy to achieve that.
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Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
263 Posts
July 28 2020 17:08 GMT
#11
On July 29 2020 01:55 Charoisaur wrote:
I have another theory why Dream and DRG are the first returnees to advance to the ro8.
Maybe it has just never been this easy to achieve that.


Nothing really supports this idea. iirc your proof is usually that some foreigners can beat Koreans now, but maybe your ideas have evolved?

Anyway, Love the one about DRG and Innovation xD Great hype and prediction.
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
mikedupp
Profile Joined May 2020
233 Posts
July 28 2020 17:09 GMT
#12
Afreeca always makes the most epic promo photos.
Mo_TLnet
Profile Joined May 2020
3 Posts
July 28 2020 17:52 GMT
#13
Thanks for the article! You guys incorporate the storylines really nice and I'm super hyped for the Ro8 now. Please keep them coming!

I'm hoping for a better series between Inno and DRG then predicted here tho, DRG looked insanely good imo.
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
75 Posts
July 28 2020 18:09 GMT
#14
I just hope Dream and DRG are successful, so more pros will return from the military.
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Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation112 Posts
July 28 2020 20:09 GMT
#15
Rogue will dismantle Dream
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5252 Posts
July 28 2020 20:30 GMT
#16
On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As it turns out, the "Elephant in the room" truthers had been right.


Wow, I didn't think there was anyone left trying to make that article look credible.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 21:18:55
July 28 2020 21:16 GMT
#17
Seems like an easy Inno/Rogue prediction, but there's always a spark of hope for the veterans.

DRG looked good but Inno's TvZ looks a lot better than TY's. Dream looked very impressive, and Rogue is super hit or miss, so I think he has a decent shot.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16896 Posts
July 28 2020 21:23 GMT
#18
On July 29 2020 05:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As it turns out, the "Elephant in the room" truthers had been right.


Wow, I didn't think there was anyone left trying to make that article look credible.


Especially since part of the argument was that tip top BW players like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy were in a league of their own and would similarly dominate SCII.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States16654 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 23:32:33
July 28 2020 23:30 GMT
#19
On July 29 2020 06:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2020 05:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As it turns out, the "Elephant in the room" truthers had been right.


Wow, I didn't think there was anyone left trying to make that article look credible.


Especially since part of the argument was that tip top BW players like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy were in a league of their own and would similarly dominate SCII.

Yeah, it also completely ignores the success of guys like Life, Maru, Parting, Dream, Taeja... The whole point of the article was not that KeSPA TEAMS/sponsors would take over, that was obvious because money, the article was supposed to be about the players and their background
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12491 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 23:48:26
July 28 2020 23:48 GMT
#20
I'll be happy with absolutely any permutation of the semifinals + finals as long as it doesn't end with Rogue winning. Has he ever been in a good final? Feel like they're always smashes.
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