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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25232 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-29 00:05:16
July 29 2020 00:03 GMT
#21
Great write up as ever! One minor mistake (I believe) is it says Inno’s last stomping of DRG was the latter’s final Code S match until July of this year.

Is that not merely prior to this upcoming match the Dong’s last playoff appearance?

Pumped for this, hopefully get two TvZ’s for the ages. Inno chasing another GSL, two military returnees and a pantomime villain in Rogue, should be tasty.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
July 29 2020 00:38 GMT
#22
These matches should be great and for entertainment purposes I'm just hoping it leads to another TvZ. Part of me is also rooting for both Zergs just to shut up all the "Zerg is actually weak it's just Serral and Reynor are so good" people who already forgot IEM and TSL 5.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
July 29 2020 01:22 GMT
#23
I have DRG 3 -1 Inno. DRG knows his only way to lose is if Inno can cheese or harass him, He will play safe early and then POWER ZERG stomp the Terran like in the Ro16.

Dream V Rogue can go either way. Personally I hope Dream cos he has been putting in super hard work recently.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-29 03:35:11
July 29 2020 03:34 GMT
#24
Really looking forward to this entire top 8, just a sweet lineup.

DRG - nice to finally see people realizing that he's actually legit. Zergs have been saying for months that he's a trend setter in zerg matchups and that they are always ripping off all sort of little things from im. Furthermore his rating does - and has for a while - reflect the fact that he's a top zerg.

Innovation - When Inno is not in good form he says he's going to lose because terran is awfu.l When Inno is in great form he says terran is awful but he's going to win anyways. Inno in good form is pretty damn scary, and I fully expect him to take the series, as he is sublime in TvZ. If anyone is knocking him out I'd expect it to be a Protoss.

Dream - Dreams good. I don't think his ceiling is as high as other terrans but he's consistent AF. I expect this series to look very one sided.

Rogue - Oh boy, I can't wait for more Rogue games - where he'll look like total trash or the next GSL champ. I'd say ZvT has the least amount of room for truly abusive strats, so I'm expecitng Dream to actually manage this one.

Inno and Dream advance - cuz good patch terrans.
rickzou
Profile Joined May 2019
46 Posts
July 29 2020 04:07 GMT
#25
dream and inno
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
July 29 2020 05:50 GMT
#26
Something feels terribly wrong predicting Dream over Rogue. They've had 6 BoX meetings in the last year and Rogue has won all of them. Recent form, current meta, and Rogue's Ro8 curse be damned, I'll still be shocked if Dream wins.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15952 Posts
July 29 2020 07:26 GMT
#27
On July 29 2020 08:30 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2020 06:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 29 2020 05:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 28 2020 22:31 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As it turns out, the "Elephant in the room" truthers had been right.


Wow, I didn't think there was anyone left trying to make that article look credible.


Especially since part of the argument was that tip top BW players like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy were in a league of their own and would similarly dominate SCII.

Yeah, it also completely ignores the success of guys like Life, Maru, Parting, Dream, Taeja... The whole point of the article was not that KeSPA TEAMS/sponsors would take over, that was obvious because money, the article was supposed to be about the players and their background

The article was right about Kespa players dominating (GSL after the switch was mostly Kespa dominated with only Life, Maru and PartinG really being able to keep up) however for some reason the author was assuming that it would still be Flash, Bisu, Jaedong etc at the top and not the up-and-coming BW players like Inno, Rain, Soulkey who probably would have replaced Flash and the others at the top anyways even if they kept playing BW.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 29 2020 07:50 GMT
#28
Great writeup, I am super hyped for these matches. I feel both of the matchups can go either way, I lean towards DRG and Rogue though beacuse while Dream has played great sometimes I have also seen him play mediocre its like he is not very stable. DRG has just been general beast mode, sure Inno can probably match DRG so it could go either way. Rogue can also match Dream in not being the most reliable player so yeah, don't know how this will go but I bet the games will be great!
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
July 29 2020 08:23 GMT
#29
I dont see Dream beating Rogue, even on this patch
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PyroNswe
Profile Joined March 2020
Sweden23 Posts
July 29 2020 08:45 GMT
#30
So hyped for this! who doesn't love a top-level TvZ? I think this can go both ways though. INno is INno, but DRG is looking scary again nowdays.

3-1 INno or 3-2 DRG
"The Terran army, Is better than your army" -RotterdaM
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 29 2020 08:49 GMT
#31
On July 29 2020 17:23 Geo.Rion wrote:
I dont see Dream beating Rogue, even on this patch

Did you see Dream beating Ragnarok, sOs, DRG, Trap and Solar? While Maru got knocked out by Solar and Trap Dream went out of his group in first place against the very same opponents that defeated Maru, in the same matchups.

I can definitely see it, even if its not the result i predict.

Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33379 Posts
July 29 2020 09:12 GMT
#32
TBH a vote for Dream is more of a vote for "Rogue is gonna cruise until Katowice 2021"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 29 2020 10:30 GMT
#33
On July 29 2020 10:22 AxiomBlurr wrote:
I have DRG 3 -1 Inno. DRG knows his only way to lose is if Inno can cheese or harass him, He will play safe early and then POWER ZERG stomp the Terran like in the Ro16.

Dream V Rogue can go either way. Personally I hope Dream cos he has been putting in super hard work recently.

Somehow this is exactly what happened.
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umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
July 29 2020 10:30 GMT
#34
DRG read this predictions and was like nope.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
July 29 2020 10:48 GMT
#35
On July 29 2020 19:30 umelbumel wrote:
DRG read this predictions and was like nope.


Hey, you there, did you not read my post?
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
July 29 2020 10:55 GMT
#36
On July 29 2020 19:30 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2020 10:22 AxiomBlurr wrote:
I have DRG 3 -1 Inno. DRG knows his only way to lose is if Inno can cheese or harass him, He will play safe early and then POWER ZERG stomp the Terran like in the Ro16.

Dream V Rogue can go either way. Personally I hope Dream cos he has been putting in super hard work recently.

Somehow this is exactly what happened.


After watching the replays of last week of DRG smash facing, I felt this was the only option.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
July 29 2020 11:39 GMT
#37
On July 29 2020 17:49 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2020 17:23 Geo.Rion wrote:
I dont see Dream beating Rogue, even on this patch

Did you see Dream beating Ragnarok, sOs, DRG, Trap and Solar? While Maru got knocked out by Solar and Trap Dream went out of his group in first place against the very same opponents that defeated Maru, in the same matchups.

I can definitely see it, even if its not the result i predict.


sure, but he still fairly hit or miss, and has lost each encounter he had vs Rogue, so my money is/was on Rogue. Not over yet, so let s see
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33379 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-29 12:43:13
July 29 2020 12:43 GMT
#38
never been so glad to be so wrong
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2561 Posts
July 29 2020 12:53 GMT
#39
TL writeups never fail to amuse, I have to give you that. :D
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Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil261 Posts
July 29 2020 20:02 GMT
#40
On July 29 2020 01:53 yht9657 wrote:
I used to hate Rogue for abusing all those zerg bullshit like nydushost, but now I just find it incredibly halirious when everyone is hyping Serral, Reynor and Maru Rogue just casually stomps everyone, does an awful celebration and admits he's a partchzerg.

Definitely my favorite Zerg now.


Ive never seen Serral get stomped. Rogue i have. Rogue's slumps are real. Serral's are non existent.
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