EPTBetting: Suspicious Activity Detected - Page 6
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Obamarauder
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Starecat
940 Posts
Even though this is some shitty thing to see being brought on an already bad year t-t | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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mikedupp
233 Posts
though I do recall a few reddit posts accusing zest of suspicious activity or the lines being suspicious. I have no idea. but it seems like someone has a hate boner for zest. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
On July 18 2020 07:46 mikedupp wrote: zest is a habitual floater but so are many protoss players. though I do recall a few reddit posts accusing zest of suspicious activity or the lines being suspicious. I have no idea. but it seems like someone has a hate boner for zest. The argument isn’t that he was floating, it’s that he was floating while botching everything else. Everyone posting in the thread knows Zest has that reputation, but he usually floats when he’s microing his heart out, or doing a bunch of army repositioning and prioritising that over a warp round. It’s long been his approach and has what made him such a successful player. He finds angles and timings that to other players don’t exist because they’re concerned with always keeping their money low. My personal opinion is that Zest was either ill or really hungover or something and people became aware of this. The Korean pro scene seems pretty close-knit after all. Doesn’t have to be anything malicious at all. All it takes is a few players to be out with Zest and ‘man he was fucking wasted’ and people start placing bets there. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
On July 18 2020 08:32 geokilla wrote: About the Zest vs SouL game, I had Zest to win. This means I personally lost the bet. So for Pinnacle to void the bet, they really did me a favour because they could have kept my money while voiding only the people who had SouL spread or moneyline. Why would you ever bet against Serral’s preferred practice partner? | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 18 2020 01:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The fishiest game must surely be that macsed vs some diamond player game. yes. this game should serve at the prototype of a 'fishy' game and always needs to be linked when this is brought up. because this wasn't a player losing a series; it was a player going 2-1 vs some one they should absolutely go 2-0 against. not an insane upset. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 18 2020 07:53 Wombat_NI wrote: The argument isn’t that he was floating, it’s that he was floating while botching everything else. Everyone posting in the thread knows Zest has that reputation, but he usually floats when he’s microing his heart out, or doing a bunch of army repositioning and prioritising that over a warp round. It’s long been his approach and has what made him such a successful player. He finds angles and timings that to other players don’t exist because they’re concerned with always keeping their money low. My personal opinion is that Zest was either ill or really hungover or something and people became aware of this. The Korean pro scene seems pretty close-knit after all. Doesn’t have to be anything malicious at all. All it takes is a few players to be out with Zest and ‘man he was fucking wasted’ and people start placing bets there. players need a masterclass in believably throwing games, apparently. since they are generally awful at hiding it, this makes for some hilarious spectacles | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
In that case fuck MKP. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
On July 18 2020 10:35 Alejandrisha wrote: players need a masterclass in believably throwing games, apparently. since they are generally awful at hiding it, this makes for some hilarious spectacles It’s a skill. Granted for my money there’s not much difference between Zest having a bad day at the office and him throwing games. Contrast that to MKP for example. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
So I don't know if there is enough evidence there but I have no idea how the betting lines stuff works tbh. edit: Also would seem odd for him matchfix since he's been doing well this year. Most BW and SC2 match fixers were slumping pretty badly when they did matchfixing (maybe except for Life). | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 18 2020 15:57 Anc13nt wrote: edit: Also would seem odd for him matchfix since he's been doing well this year. Most BW and SC2 match fixers were slumping pretty badly when they did matchfixing (maybe except for Life). Most that got caught. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Factor in this is a tournament he probably doesn't care about and he has an upcoming gsl group he may want to hide builds for. This could just be a dodgy move by the betting company or someone just going for broke on a big bet for souL that distorts the market. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On July 17 2020 11:17 fastr wrote: While it might have contributed to his decision to retire, MarineKing towards the end of his career was completely washed and couldn't even manage to qualify for GSL anymore, I think that has more to do with it. I agree with your general sentiment though, don't throw accusations lightly, and even if a game looks suspicious, innocent until proven guilty. So like, MarineKing was already doing quite poorly but after the matchfixing accusations he got even worse, became an absolute mess. I can understand why. Nearly everybody in the world thought he was a matchfixer when he wasn't. Like imagine playing a game of SC2 that was so bad you literally can't get people to believe you didn't throw it deliberately. That would crush you mentally I think. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 18 2020 20:41 RPR_Tempest wrote: So like, MarineKing was already doing quite poorly but after the matchfixing accusations he got even worse, became an absolute mess. I can understand why. Nearly everybody in the world thought he was a matchfixer when he wasn't. Like imagine playing a game of SC2 that was so bad you literally can't get people to believe you didn't throw it deliberately. That would crush you mentally I think. All we know is he didn't get caught. I for one will never believe he wasn't paid to throw that game. He missed SCV production at the start of the game when there's nothing else to do, doesn't look at his minimap for 2 straight minutes, and decides to go 3CC against what was a 1 base baneling bust(if we pretend he doesn't see the hatchery and doesn't realize there's a proxy hatch somewhere). Not a single professional player could come up with a thought process behind that other than ''He had a stroke''. Voided bets due to suspicious betting patterns are the cherry on top. | ||
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[Svall]Granis
Sweden94 Posts
On July 18 2020 20:58 Morbidius wrote: All we know is he didn't get caught. I for one will never believe he wasn't paid to throw that game. He missed SCV production at the start of the game when there's nothing else to do, doesn't look at his minimap for 2 straight minutes, and decides to go 3CC against what was a 1 base baneling bust(if we pretend he doesn't see the hatchery and doesn't realize there's a proxy hatch somewhere). Not a single professional player could come up with a thought process behind that other than ''He had a stroke''. Voided bets due to suspicious betting patterns are the cherry on top. MKP did go 3CC in 99% of the games he played no? This was such a long time ago i cant remember. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On July 18 2020 21:11 [Svall]Granis wrote: MKP did go 3CC in 99% of the games he played no? This was such a long time ago i cant remember. Yeah it's one of those cases where it was literally any other player it'd be a sure thing, but MarineKing has been playing like that his whole career. "Oh I play someone who 6 pools every single game? CC First for SURE." I think what ultimately exonerates MarineKing is how suspicious he actually was. His team did a full investigation, found nothing. KeSPA did an official investigation and wasn't able to find anything (I remember people at the time being like "Well DUH of course they're gonna say they didn't find anything, if this gets out Proleague is finished" well uhhhh) and the police did a full investigation and arrested a few people. There is absolutely no way that the most suspicious of the bunch didn't have his life passed over with a fine-toothed comb. I guarantee the police would have been checking his bank accounts and snooping in MKP's private life as much as they possibly can within the confines of the law. If they got people who hid it well like Life, they woulda got MKP IMO. I remember after Life was arrested the police statement said "We believe we have caught all matchfixers at this time." which is quite the statement of confidence. | ||
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