EPTOn September 25 2020 23:32 geokilla wrote:
Not allowed to bet on Zest vs Solar on GSL tonight.
Not allowed to bet on Zest vs Solar on GSL tonight.
This happened and it's not the first time
Betting: Suspicious Activity Detected - Page 10
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Nebuchad
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geokilla
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ilax30
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On September 26 2020 00:11 1gragequit wrote: Tilting the way that most sc2 fans a priori defend these players. If you had any objectivity at all you'd be questioning these players. it's us that support them with subscriptions and tuning into matches. Nobody in the community is willing to speak up and say "Zest is suspicious as fuck and he should be investigated" or "Why haven't players that were involved in the last matchfixing scandal been investigated?" (MKP, Innovation, etc.) It's a case of when not if there's another betting scandal and honestly I think it's the biggest threat to SC's future. Blizzard will want to distance themselves if it happens again. There's such a disconnect between those that say they care about SC2 but won't even bother to think about the implications of these voided bets. As mentioned - no, this is not a regular occurence; no, it is not really in Pinnacle's interest to void bets (it's awful PR); no, this is not usually a false positive. Ye lets acuse players because they float 1000+ minerals, play strange and bets are voided. Cmon man, if there is hard evidence then yes cleary its a different story. But thats not the case is it, you cant just accuse players of fixing matches because of these things. Thats way too hard of a accusation to make. In tennis for example low lvl players get harassed every single day when they lose matches or even sets because some degens bet on them and cant handle losses. A tennis player that leads 6-3 5-2 and loses? Bam 100+ death threats and their social media is full of people accusing them of fixing. Luckily this isnt the case for sc2 as its much smaller and not that many ppl bet on it. But there is a reason you dont jump to the gun when it comes to match fixing. | ||
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WombaT
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On October 17 2020 07:42 ilax30 wrote: Ye lets acuse players because they float 1000+ minerals, play strange and bets are voided. Cmon man, if there is hard evidence then yes cleary its a different story. But thats not the case is it, you cant just accuse players of fixing matches because of these things. Thats way too hard of a accusation to make. In tennis for example low lvl players get harassed every single day when they lose matches or even sets because some degens bet on them and cant handle losses. A tennis player that leads 6-3 5-2 and loses? Bam 100+ death threats and their social media is full of people accusing them of fixing. Luckily this isnt the case for sc2 as its much smaller and not that many ppl bet on it. But there is a reason you dont jump to the gun when it comes to match fixing. Especially when Zest is affectionately known for being a great player despite floating. Ffs the term ‘Zest bank’ exists for a reason. Maybe there’s cause for suspicion, I wouldn’t just jump on players without really strong evidence. Apart from anything else it seems a fools errand to bet on small weeklies and get pissy. I’m not a top tier SC2 pro but if I was I’m coasting trying to keep in shape, hiding my good builds, experiment with weird stuff and if I win it’s just a bonus for my practice schedule. For players slightly lower than that who haven’t burst through to decent tournament money, if I was one I’d bust my ass to keep some money coming in and the pro gaming dream alive. Given such an environment you’re going to see weird results that go against the form book. | ||
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geokilla
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geokilla
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ssg
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On October 23 2020 23:15 geokilla wrote: Well this is interesting. ESIC just banned a bunch of players in CS:GO for betting on their own matches and Pinnacle is refusing to void the matches they were involved in. Is this not a form of match fixing? What do they consider suspicious betting activity then? They want to get ahead of match fixing. Going back months and years to refund bets would be a mess. If they knew beforehand the matches were fixed they would have never been available to begin with. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
But actually on this topic... Ever since the pricepool of the GSL was reduced so heavily, that makes this type of activity all the more tempting, with how low the prizepool got and how itseems inevitable the GSL only last a couple of years at most. I've noticed many games, particularly in long series where players just make 1 stupid decision suddenly and they lose. But of course, that is not proof of anything at all, I lose all the time that way. Still, I believe we as a community should be weary of these type of activity returning, and if we notice anything weird in betting sites or games, cause the reduced pricepool would make winning thousands for throwing 1 game more tempting. | ||
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Nebuchad
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